If she destroys or damages the GFA she deserves to be put on trial.
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If she destroys or damages the GFA she deserves to be put on trial.
As if there's any trust in politics now anyway. She's delusional.
Mrs May's fashion sense is more of a shambles than Brexit.
*flounces off, clutching fan*
*flounces off, clutching fan*
I imagine this is a non starter for the Irish. Barnier has suggested as such already.
Nothing so far....
Nothing has changed, May and Corbyn still the same.
I don't get it, we can't have a hard border between North & South Ireland, but we can have one between France (i.e. Europe) and England.
Am I missing something, but why is free movement over the Irish border more important than free movement between main land Europe and the UK?
Am I missing something, but why is free movement over the Irish border more important than free movement between main land Europe and the UK?
A hard border between the UK and France will also be a disaster but for different reasons
So her Plan B is to ask the EU again?
By the way...
Nothing on babestation
Looks like it and Corbyn still chasing the unicorns. No deal gets closer.
I often wonder whether May's categorical refusal of a 2nd referendum is just a ruse to eventually have a better way of selling it to the people who voted for and believe in Brexit. But as the exit date keeps coming closer and closer it's looking more and more like the whole thing really is such a hopeless stalemate of idiocy and personal ambitions of politicians.
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: My deal?
Corbyn: No deal.
May: No deal?
Corbyn: No way.
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: My deal?
Corbyn: No deal.
May: No deal?
Corbyn: No way.
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
May: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Corbyn: Well I'm not going to be the first to propose a 2nd referendum
Did you miss the whole Troubles thing?
Seems the best solution.
Eh?
I don't recall France and the UK having over 30 years of armed conflict and bombings and murders in the 20th century.
I'm obviously missing the point and don't want to get into an argument about something over which my knowledge is limited.
If you genuinely don't know about The Troubles then fair enough, but yeah, that's the answer, if you want to wiki them.
Painfully apt.
Hammond's face is a picture .
French borders don't matter anyway, you'd just surrenderDo you recall a land border?
spike in the £ value - presumably as they realize May has basically brought herself a week but at that point her plan is done for -plus a good chance a no deal amendment gets added
I'm convinced the DUP know they won't get a change in the backstop but are only doing it to show themselves as relevant. They can't honestly think they're going to get any movement from the EU
I don't agree with much of what May's saying but she is right about No Deal. Until the UK realise this that's where you're going.
No plan B at all. Just Plan A and running the clock down.
Utterly transparent. The governments hand is on the table face up. The EU won't move on the backstop.
Utterly transparent. The governments hand is on the table face up. The EU won't move on the backstop.
shes probably right about the 2nd referendum I think:
There isn't a majority in the house (at least not until labour will make it policy to back it) - and it would be very divisive (I cant even imagine a question and format that could be agreed)
Part of the problem I think is that the deal is being referred to as May's deal and that alone means many will vote against it - but equally thats not a problem thats going to go away.
Is there a majority against the deal - yes and that looks unlikely to change in a week (especially as I cant see the EU capitulating on the backstop)
Is there a majority against No deal - yes and again that looks unlikely to change in a week
that said I am not sure there is a majority to simply revoke A50 and Im not sure the EU would just agree to extend without a good reason (probably a second ref or a GE)- and as I said I think unless Labour switches policy there isnt a majority for a 2nd ref - and unless the conservatives switch policy there isnt a majority for a second election.
I really am not sure what happens from there - my gut feel is GE called by the conservatives
Yeah - The Scream.
There is a huge majority against no deal, 500 votes at least including almost the entire cabinet.
There will be a majority for revoking article 50 either directly, hopefully. (Or via a referendum, god help us) when time runs down and the only choices are No deal or the withdrawal agreement which has been crushed already and suits no one.
Not sure if the government will collapse first but that is entirely possible. Hard to imagine May doing it, rather being removed via a no confidence vote and national government doing it for her.
Problem is there's no majority for anything.
Maybe a GE but don't see that really solving anything either.
At the end of the day if parliament wants a deal and not revoke A50 they still need to have a withdrawal agreement.
indeed which will in essence be the deal on offer at the moment - but unfortunatley thats been branded as May's deal which makes it toxic to a significant proportion of leave and remain supporters
All her answers are basically "you'll decide next week with your amendments I'm not saying jack".
She's just a lame duck at this point.
She's just a lame duck at this point.
A picture of what?
I agree there is a huge majority against no deal - possibly not 500 by the time it gets called a managed exit and the governemnt whips people into voting with (or at least abstaining) but for sure an even more crushing defeat than the last one
As for a majority who would vote for withdrawing A50 rather than extending without a second ref - I think there might be a majority - but it would be a lot closer (even though of course it defaults to no deal) - I just see a lot of people in leave seats being reluctant to walk through the ballot on that one and they would abstain
Bemusement
The backstop was raised by TM as a result of her red lines but as you say the EU will not relinquish it.
Wasn't it David Davies who actually negotiated the backstop?
incompetent or cunning?
Yes totally agree.
When it was defeated both Remainers and Brexiters celebrated. Not a good sign.