That's what I'm asking. People think no deal is highly unlikely, but I have no idea why they think that.
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That's what I'm asking. People think no deal is highly unlikely, but I have no idea why they think that.
That is weird. I wonder what the investment firms have been told.
It feels like it's the most likely option now and the one a large number of the public seems to support.
A GE or referendum does nothing in the long run. The EU are not going to allow extension of A50 unless there is a change of tack towards a very soft Brexit, staying in the CU etc.
Otherwise cancel Brexit.
I have yet to see an amendment that makes sense.
But as we've been saying, to avoid no deal, there has to be a deal. It's no good just saying we don't want no deal, that's also meaningless.
So you rely on the ability of politicians to compromise over their ability to mess things up or do nothing? Because the last two scenarios lead to No deal, that's why I tell you that it's always credible because it's the easiest to get.
Well we already know it's public knowledge our chancellor has told them there won't be a no deal in March. Markets are just reflecting the lowered risk of a no deal due to May running down the clock.
Even as a temporary measure it buys time for negotiation and makes a deal or no brexit more likely.
May running down the clock makes no deal more likely.
The only alternative at this moment is to cancel brexit within the next nine weeks.
Best not to listen to politicians of any type.
I should have emigrated to another country. Is this the best we can do?
What a fecking idiot!
Perhaps the only solution is to declare war on Europe, I'm sure the Yanks will help us.
What a clown.
Brexiteers are very good at invoking some cartoonish version of WWII without having any real experience of what the wartime generation went through.
He's one to talk
Please don't quote that, it's best buried.
The really miserable thing is that it's people like him that accuse Labour of being anti-business
And even more miserable is that he's my MP
Pound really doing so well or dollar being weak? Pound lost on the Euro? (Not much)
He is a typical slimey chameleon of a politicIan; trying to be all things to all people.
The way he decimated Defence spending showed all he was interested in was saving money whatever the outcome. And we are now struggling to have even a minimum Air Force or Navy or Army.
He has absolutely no redeming trates except being famous for his use of spreadsheets.
What does he believe in - advancing his career.
The fears that such as Mark Francoise is playing to is not Airbus leaving, but that for many Brexiteers the fear that in a future United States of Europe Germany will dominate because of its size and economy and the new order of the USE becomes nothing more than a 'Greater Germany'. By referring back to WWII Francoise is pandering to fears that Germany will have gained in peace what it couldn't in war, domination of Europe.
Is Francoise a very common British name?
He has no other defense of his position other than blind patriotism. If that is what he and his voters are fearing the E.U is best off with them out and as far away as possible. As a German I am offended by this, who does he think he is to say someone's opinion is bullying because of the persons nationality
? It would be hilarious if it wasn't an MP, but that's just thoroughly offensive.Edit: And before you get your knifes out I am also a American who's Grandfather fought for the allies. I used to be binational, now i'm just a citizen of nowhere
.The pound's risen against both over the last fortnight, gaining nearly twice as much on the Euro as it has on the dollar.
Ah, I was looking at the day. You're right for a fortnight.
Dammit, suspending all Amazon orders so til next week.
As British as Farage.
Ironically, pre-2016, the UK was projected to become the EU’s biggest economy in the next 20-30 years. Now we are about to be relegated to the equivalent of the Europa League.
It's Francois.
Interestingly his middle name is Gino.
French surname, Italian middle name.
Probably loathes himself.
You should play your matches on a wet Wednesday night in Stoke!
I would if I were him!
He has no other defense of his position other than blind patriotism. If that is what he and his voters are fearing the E.U is best off with them out and as far away as possible. As a German I am offended by this, who does he think he is to say someone's opinion is bullying because of the persons nationality
Edit: And before you get your knifes out I am also a American who's Grandfather fought for the allies. I used to be binational, now i'm just a citizen of nowhere
That is exactly what they do think, hence their Brexit has always been a 'no deal' outcome from day one! Don't forget many of those harbouring these fears were brought up in the post war years, where as children they were constantly reminded of Britain fighting two WW against the same foe. Today such views are offensive, especially to people like yourself, but they are hidden deep in the psyche of the baby boomers generation and come to the fore in these debates.
Either that or they are a easy talking point to rile up emotions without having to face reality and the problems it creates used by a politician with his back to the wall. I'm sorry but saying the CEO of Airbus is pushing German interests and conflating that with his fathers fight against the Nazi's is so far beyond the pale that I don't see how any reasonable person could take it serious.
I'm genuinely starting to wonder if a vast number of baby boomers suffered from lead poisoning from leaded Petrol during their formative years. It just seems bizarre that their parents fought so fecking hard for the freedom of Europe and this Country and steered it toward great prosperity and stability and yet the majority of them seem to be too fecking dumb to understand it.
Isn't it theorised that the fall of Rome was down to the Roman's decision to line their water pipes with lead and in doing so lowered their collective intelligence?
Their strategy against 'project fear' recently has been to crank up the chauvinism and the us vs them narrative with the EU. On the ground where I am it seems to be working.
Yes it is, but when its also tied, by many Brexiteers into Britain's (real and/or perceived) position in the EU, e.g. we are not in the Euro zone, we have opted out of various elements of the EU requirements, we have been involved in various arguments over rebate demand/ issues, provided vocal opposition to an EU standing army, etc. It ruffles feathers and makes being anti-EU a positive position, it confirms that really we are not good Europeans and both the EU and us would be better off separated. Hence when CEO's from such as Airbus make these kind of comments they are easy meat for such as Francoise to turn into perceived threats, especially accompanied by the amateur dramatics of ripping up copies of such speeches on daytime TV.
Sure, it will work to consolidate the alliance of the ignorant, but where's that going to take them? The world will go on after the 29th of March, and if they get their way no one will care about their fears anymore, they'll be a sideshow of a sideshow (Europe) on the world stage, with the seat at the security council as a last reminder of former might. It only took a trade war with China to completely take the State's focus off of Brexit, they don't care anymore... I can't even remember the last tweet about it.
So where do they take this?
No, this particular person isn't. I will need further convincing before I believe that people like him truly speak "for the British people".
Agree with how it works though, but it shouldn't be above you guys to vote out people like that.
I've mentioned in this thread before that a lot of Brits have similar mindsets to Russians in that they're happy to be isolated and that they don't feel they need the help or influence of any other countries.
Its hard to say what will happen in the event of a Hard Brexit but I have to admit that despite criticising Corbyn a lot, there is a part of me that would like to see him take power in that situation and implement his ideas for a socialist state.
And that's a reason to make yourselves less influential? I can't follow... Unless you're trying to say brexiteers are trying to make life in Britain a bit more like life in Russia, in which case their actions suddenly make sense.
Well yeah, there happy to take the hit to free themselves from the EU, influence in geopolitics is an abstract concept to the man on the street. I bet most of the country know nothing about the G7, for example.
At a political level Brexiteer's want to be completely free from all lawmaking influence that the EU over us, specifically pertaining to FoM and things like employment law. They want to turn us into a low tax and low regulation economy. I think the potential deterioration of working conditions because of this would be a much bigger concern than any loss of standing among the global elite powers.