He’s slightly past it but City look a better side with him in it. He’s still the leader in their team and came back when they needed him most.
Germany would’ve gone out regardless of him being in the squad or not.
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He’s slightly past it but City look a better side with him in it. He’s still the leader in their team and came back when they needed him most.
Germany would’ve gone out regardless of him being in the squad or not.
Could easily end up the same as Sancho situation, i.e. in a few years clubs won't see an issue to pay for him huge, huge bucks. But yeah, given the current state of things, it was a surprisingly good fee for him.
It's actually £15m. We have no clue how achievable the clauses are.
Looks like Foden is the only one with any sort of chance and he has so many quality players ahead of him.
Looks like Foden is the only one with any sort of chance and he has so many quality players ahead of him.
Not sure what the 40% sell on clause if Real sell him to us is all about? Are they really that paranoid?
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Right, Liverpool.
We've taken 4 points off them now. You've still got to play them.
So, if they win the league now, it's your fault!
We've taken 4 points off them now. You've still got to play them.
So, if they win the league now, it's your fault!
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Must feel like Groundhog Day. 7 points behind, beat Liverpool to close the gap, still 7 points behind. 
Must feel like Groundhog Day. 7 points behind, beat Liverpool to close the gap, still 7 points behind.
Have a feeling it'll stay pretty much as you say till February. With CL coming back and we start the month vs Arsenal and Chelsea back to back at home. You go to Old Trafford on the 24th.
You guys looked a little tired today so if we can hang on your coat tails till the end of February it could be game on.
One thing is your players are looking much fresher and hungrier than ours. Wolves is a big obstacle. Win that (I think you will, Wolves must be tiring by now) and you'll have good momentum.
The joys of having a billion pound squad I suppose, I think even when your struggling with tiredness you are so good at the back you'll still grind out the wins. I'll be very surprised if you drop more than 2 points before Old Trafford tbh. and have genuinely no idea how United will be looking come that game. Think the next game is key for you guys, you got the monkey off your back quickly after the 2 losses so the win today should build confidence if that was the issue but Palace can occasionally be stubborn (I heard they are prone to the odd wonder goal or two as well...)
Going to be a close one.
The thing with City is alot of fixtures you have a little feeling they may drop some points. With Liverpool, you expect them to win.
Prime example is Man City v Wolves, People are saying City should win. If it was Liverpool v Wolves, you would say Liverpool will win. That's why Liverpool will win the league. They look more solid. Hope I'm wrong.
Prime example is Man City v Wolves, People are saying City should win. If it was Liverpool v Wolves, you would say Liverpool will win. That's why Liverpool will win the league. They look more solid. Hope I'm wrong.
That's just the psychology of them being top of the table and the fact City had their dip in December. City play the better football, have the better players and are the better team
On Wolves it's really annoying Liverpool don't play them till the final day of the season as any other time I wouldn't bet against them taking something off Liverpool at Anfield
You have to wonder what this team would be capable of if they had some fans cheering them on.
Aguero currently has 213 goals for City. Does anyone think he'll surpass Charlton and Rooney? Absolutely stunning player, would have loved him here
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I'm new to the forum and a Liverpool supporter, but i have to marvel at the City squad. Their bench today: Gundogen, Aguero, DeBruyne, Mahrez, Delph, Otamendi...that is just silly.
I thought he was planning to go back to Independiente when his contract expires in 18 months.
It'll be close given his injury record and the amount of games he misses. 40 goals in all comps is kind of par for Sergio in a year and a half. If he only does the 18 months it will be very tight.
He's not getting past Rooney's number of league goals though without an extension.
To pass Rooney he'd have to score 55 goals in 1.5 seasons given the number of games he misses 55 is a lot in 2 league seasons for Kun, he only plays approx 55-60 games.
For me he is up there with Shearer as the joint best goal scorer in premier league history. While Henry was the better footballer, he wasn't the goal scorer Aguero is.
To put how good he is into perspective. Last article I can find, Shearer scored a goal every 147 minutes in the PL, Sergio bangs one in every 107 albeit in a much stronger team.
I think Salah has probably passed him in goal scoring rate now but given Aguero has done it for so long, I think he genuinely has a case to be the leagues best ever striker. In terms of scoring rate only Salah and Kane come close and both those have done it over a much shorter period for now.
I'd like to see updated stats till christmas this year but the best I can find is last March.
We have crazy depth now but we're still 4 points behind you guys. You've been amazing so far. Welcome to the forum.
What is the deal with them lot, seriously? They are winning at home to Wolves, 20 mins to go and their team is bombing forward in waves, trying to get another, yet all around them people are shuffling off home. Some didn't bother at all. A dazzling glare of plastic seats in every direction. They score, and a minute later all you can hear is the Wolves fans cheering, "We've got Ruben Neves." And still the City players pile forward, going for another and another...the ground is now half empty, just a swathe of Orange people still at the football match, singing for their team. The final whistle blows and the Wolves fans enthusiastically applaud their 10 men off the pitch. Anyone would think they won the match, but they were comprehensively beaten 3-0. There is no such fanfare for the City players, who resort to offering a wave to their families in the stand who to their credit have remained in their seats.
I don't think that people will ever take City seriously until they can have some sort of revolution within their fan base. I know they tried the face painting and jester hats nonsense to get more kids in, and the whole corporate bollocks with the tunnel club (boak) but I think that there is a missing link somewhere in there. At United, we have a really strong profile of 18-35 year old fans that attend the games, and they build an atmosphere, (often a pretty raucous and unpleasant one!), but at City it seems to be the over 45's with kids. They don't attend every game, they leave early and they don't sing. It all contributes to a piss poor atmosphere, especially at a time when they actually have something to shout about. It really is baffling to see, because one day it will all be gone.
I think on sheet ability, Suarez was better than Sergio, but Suarez had only one of the season and was rather underwhelming in his other seasons for Liverpool. While Aguero has been doing it for city consistently for about 10 years, and without his injuries would surely have been top in the premier league goal scorers list.
So, on that longevity basis alone, I have to give it to Aguero as the best ever striker in EPL that I have watched. I haven't watched Shearer that much, Henry was definitely not an out-and-out goalscorer and Rooney declined pretty rapidly.
So, yes, it's Kun Aguero.
Oh without doubt 13/14 Suarez was unreal, and for a bit before that but took awhile to settle. He's one of the best strikers ever to play in the PL for me but his time in the PL was only really 1 amazing season.
The thing is with Sergio despite arriving older than the others he's still probably going to finish top 5 and if he sees out his contract probably 3rd quite comfortably as he only needs 34 more goals to pass Andy Cole.
Gotta say Rooney's numbers are excellent for a player who spent ages at no.10 too, criminally underrated because of his last couple of seasons at United and Everton.
If I had to put them in order I'd say in different lists.
In terms of sticking the ball in the onion bag for me its:
Aguero, Shearer, Henry, RVN, Torres
Harry Kane quite likely joining soon too.
Not fully agree with you about Torres, his decline was even faster than Rooney once his main attribute got hampered due to injuries. Torres of Liverpool was brilliant, but Suarez of Liverpool is still better, even for his one season. Imagine if Suarez took the penalty duties, he could have scored 40+ goals, after being banned for first eight games.
I would rather put Rooney in place of Torres in your list.
The last sentence I completely agree with.
Top 3 Strike Rates > 50 PL Goals (UP TO DATE)
108.75 mins - Aguero 16639 mins/153 goals
115.51 mins - Kane 14093 mins/122 goals
121.07 mins - Henry 21308 mins/176 goals
Salah soon to be on the >50 PL goals list. Currently a strike rate of 110.45 mins from 5502 mins played and 48 goals.
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Thanks dude, its crazy Sergio is still ahead of Salah given Mo's form last 18 months. Shows just how efficient he is.
Henry is, for me, still the best PL striker I've seen.
Then it's Suarez, RVN, Aguero and RVP in the next basket. Out for this lot, Suarez has the highest peak combining his last year at Liverpool and subsequent efforts for Barcelona, which I think pushes him into the greats territory where the others don't quite reach.
So summarising those confusing thoughts:
Henry Suarez
Aguero RVN
RVP
Salah can feck off. He's more Ronaldo than the CFs the above were, and a lesser version to boot.
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They'll put at least 5 past Huddersfield on Sunday.
Any kind of win for us is a must against Palace because I don't see them dropping many points between now and May.
Any kind of win for us is a must against Palace because I don't see them dropping many points between now and May.
You'll both drop points at OT. This will probably have a big impact on who wins the title. You are more likely to drop all 3 pts against us. City have a better chance of only dropping 2.
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How do you only drop 1 point?
If City draw at OT and we lose, they'll drop two points and we'll drop three.
I think we'll draw and they'll beat you though. The amount of chances Spurs created against you indicated to me that you still have serious defensive issues to sort out. Our record at Old Trafford is what's preventing me from predicting that we'll win. We've also got Bayern at Anfield a few days earlier so that might be a factor as well.
Unwise joining a grown up's discussion. Very unwise.
My bad there. The games at OT are the hardest fixtures left for you both so dropped points in these games could be crucial. It's lucky for you that we will probably need to win both to keep our CL hopes alive.
We were exposed a few times against Spurs granted. Ole will be working the players hard in training to address these issues. We have seen a massive improvement in our attacking play in a very short space of time. Our backline won't be anywhere near as open as it was against Spurs. I think you will both score at OT but i don't think you will be able to keep us out either. With our new found vigour & being in need of the points i expect us to win both games.
Spot on. You are much improved, I reckon the derby will be high scoring and could swing either way tbh, could be anything from 3-0 United to 3-0 City. I think you'll have a tougher time against Liverpool if they hold their nerve, they are exceptional defensively and are likely to expose you on the counter. Still its a much tougher game for both City and L'Pool then it was looking a month ago.
Is David Silva City's greatest ever player? I've heard a few different pundits describe him as that over the last few weeks.
I mean there's no doubt he's an excellent player and I know they're a relatively small club historically but is he really their best ever?
I mean there's no doubt he's an excellent player and I know they're a relatively small club historically but is he really their best ever?
Aguero is better imho. But yeah he's up there, in fairness the only team we've ever had remotely comparable with this one is late 60's and many City fans alive at the time would say Colin Bell was better.
Bell scored 117 goals in 374 games from midfield, just less than one in three. He also played two of those seasons practically fecked after being injured in a league cup game vs United of all teams. Not old enough to have witnessed him for myself so can't really rate him.
For me though its Sergio, the fact nobody talks about him up there with Silva, despite being the most lethal striker since Jimmy Greaves is crazy. Aguero also has "that" moment on his CV and many big moments. There would be an argument for Yaya too if not for the fact he fell off a cliff in his last couple of seasons. Silva for me just doesn't have those decisive moments ala Aguero, Toure. Honestly though Silva's not a bad player to have as your best ever, very few clubs have ever had a player close on his calibre.
Aye, I would have opted for Aguero over Silva too from recent years.
It's all about opinions.
In my opinion, it's David Silva.
Like Scholes, a quiet type and rarely heard of in the media.
But week in, week out for nearly 10 years, his attitude to a game of football has been consistently outstanding.
Although only slightly built, he seems to always carry the battle to the opposition, never giving less than 100% effort and is rightly one of the best midfielders in Europe.
We needn't talk about his technical ability, you've seen it, but you could count on one hand, his bad games.
His trophy haul isn't too bad either having won 1 World Cup, 2 European Championships, 1 Copa del Rey, 3 Premier Leagues, 1 FA Cup and 3 League Cups to date.
We are lucky to have had him.
Sergio Aguero isn't too bad either.
Spin spin spin. City inflating wages of players they have missed out on. I do not believe for a second De Jang was asking more than what they pay KDB.
Are they going to just change the names when they miss out on De Ligt?
Financial dopers constantly whining about money. Guardiola has been complaining about it for weeks too "oh we haven't spent this on transfer fees" "oh we can't compete on wages". fecking embarrassing. Really wish someone else was in the title race as having to cheer on this horrible club makes me feel slightly sick inside.