There is no height to which we could raise our game that a billion pound squad shouldn't still be able to overcome. Pep = Pep Guardiola is my idol, confirmed.
Premier League Gameweek 24 midweek fixtures (29th - 30th Jan 2019)
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I don't even want to imagine the love Rafa is getting over at RAWK right now.
I bet they'll do it too, this time with 110 points, amIrite?
It is a shame that Newcastle and Burnley will stay up.
Noone's saying how City are the best Premier league team of all time anymore are they?
If they're not careful, they'll be 10-12 points off after their next 3 games of Arsenal, Everton away and Chelsea!
If they're not careful, they'll be 10-12 points off after their next 3 games of Arsenal, Everton away and Chelsea!
The league is pretty much done and dusted. City are too inconsistent now.
I'm actually kinda expecting a Pep meltdown and him leaving by end of the season.
I'm actually kinda expecting a Pep meltdown and him leaving by end of the season.
City expended their load against us beginning of January. You don't play a cup final like that and then expect to keep that level of play up mentally and psychologically. B Silva punching the air with gritted teeth at winning a throw in against us was the key moment for me.
Not over yet though. I'm expecting same lethargy from us tomorrow. Takes time to get back in the flow after a break. But City giving us that buffer is really appreciated.
Not over yet though. I'm expecting same lethargy from us tomorrow. Takes time to get back in the flow after a break. But City giving us that buffer is really appreciated.
Pep has still got the FA CUP, CL and League Cup final. Could still be a good season for Pep
They're a fantastic side but they're showing exactly why it is so hard to win the league back to back.
Trying to maintain that same level of focus and desire is very difficult. Ferguson was a master of it, his legacy becomes more and more impressive with every passing season. The league right now means everything to Liverpool, they may not be free flowing every week but they're treating each game like a cup final and scraping results, City simply don't have the same level of focus and desire to be at 100% for games like Newcastle or Leicester. They still have the quality (more than Liverpool, as they showed in both games vs them) but their consistency has dropped off. Game today was a perfect example of that, got the early goal and rested on it. Last season they go for the jugular.
CL only will cover for this imo. Not sure City care much about League Cup. If they ended with League Cup this season only overall, gonna be underwhelming. That'll be what Pellegrini achieved in the same period by the way.
Would be underwhelming considering how City last season were being considered as one of the greatest teams of all time who can dominate the PL for years
No because the conversation will move on to Liverpool when they break it. 102-105 points I'm guessing.
What a crazy day! 
City are just too inconsistent this season and maybe they are more focused on the Champions League.
Regarding our game, it was pretty disgusting, but as long as we win, i can't complain too much.
City are just too inconsistent this season and maybe they are more focused on the Champions League.Regarding our game, it was pretty disgusting, but as long as we win, i can't complain too much.
City feck you, just feck you.
Liverpool will probably win 2-1 tomorrow against Leicester with a 86th minute deflected own goal
Pep delivering 1 title in 3 seasons wouldn’t have been what the board or his acolytes would have been expecting. He’d need to win the CL to keep his aura in tact.
The only tiny silver lining tonight is that blue moon will make for some amusing toilet reading.
What the hell happened to City?
Newcastle is one of the worst teams in the league.
And golden opportunity for scousers to cement the lead tomorow.
Newcastle is one of the worst teams in the league.
And golden opportunity for scousers to cement the lead tomorow.
City the best PL team ever. Going to be funny if Liverpool match their points total from last year, because no-one is going to make such claims about this Liverpool team. City are a very good side but you see their true level when there is adversity, a challenge, competition, thrashing the cannon fodder of the PL does not make for a legendary side.
Rafa Benitez! Rafa Benitez! Rafa Benitez!
Be better to ban all the Scousers now to be honest.
Let them back in if Liverpool feck it up though obviously
Let them back in if Liverpool feck it up though obviously
United is better than City, we won there 2-0, they lost 2-1.
Ole is better than Pep. He won Rafa, poor Pep lost.
ah, shut up
Ole is better than Pep. He won Rafa, poor Pep lost.
ah, shut up
We lost 2 pts today, this is really sad. Really, really sad. We need to find an answer to those teams putting 10 men behind the half line.
United have just scraped a draw at home to Burnley, City beat them 5 - 0
There is no denying that City have more quality and more depth. But head-to-head record or playing better in a one-off game does not have much correlation with quality.
Last year City was miles ahead of Liverpool, but still got dumped out of CL. Although they played the second leg really well, the difference in squad quality did not reveal much difference in those games, neither did it for this year's two games.
Quality is more of a parameter when you are looking over a long-term duration, like a complete league or champions league run.
Sure, but I just think they have more quality than you full stop. They're a better team, it's just they've dropped the intensity off a notch this season because they won the league last season, it's happened to plenty of teams.
The CL tie between you two last season was more down to a tactical misstep by Klopp at Anfield, IMO. You managed to get a convincing win (and plenty of luck in both games) and came away with the win, but I thought City were a better side then and I do now, even though you're going to win the league. It wouldn't surprise me if City won a couple of cups.
I don't think there's some huge difference (in terms of starting XI you're both pretty close) just that City have the edge, so yeah in one off games there's not going to be some big difference between the two teams. I was just using the two games this season as an example, not saying that just because they beat you at the Etihad they're instantly superior.
I agree with you there completely. I was just trying to correlate. Tottenham might still beat Liverpool this season, but that does not mean they have a superior squad.
It will still take a massive miracle for Liverpool to win the league, and I still think City will pip it by 3-4 points.
Got a friend who's a massive Fulham fan, so went along to the game this evening. Wow, what a difference a half makes... should have been 3-4 goals down after 45 minutes, players were booed off the pitch. Second half, they just went for it, Tom Cairney was good, Seri too, and Mitrovic (who seemed to be having a nightmare in the first half) didn't put a foot wrong in the second.
I still don't think they'll have enough to survive, but it's a massive three points and stranger things have happened.
I still don't think they'll have enough to survive, but it's a massive three points and stranger things have happened.
Remarkable how difficult sides find it to win back to back titles.
To be fair City thought they would be able to retain the league with 90-95 points this season.
Nobody thought Liverpool would challenge and threaten their record points tally at the same time. A lot credit should go to Liverpool.
This isn't like Leicester's title when they won it with 81 points, Liverpool really are obliterating the league right now in historic fashion.
We're talking about back to back centurions potentially. Although to me it does speak very poorly of the English league if neither went on to do anything in the CL despite those record point tallies.
Liverpool made the CL last year by effectively punting on their league form, barely got 4th in the end.
Man Utd still remain the only English club since 1984 to have won the PL and CL in the same season. Which to me is a superb achievement, all other English league clubs since then have had to give up on the league to either get to the final or win it outright. Not us though, both our wins and the 2009/2011 finals were backed up by title wins.
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City's loss means nothing in the grand scheme of things. All of top 6 will lose good chunk of points against teams close to relegation. Those will fight fiercer as the games go by, We'll be on the wrong end of it sooner or later, and then there's Chelsea, Spurs and you guys still to play.
It's over, seven points is too far of a distance to catch and Liverpool haven't dropped points against anyone outside the top 6, they aren't going to start now
If City could get that down to 4/5 points coming into March, they would have a chance I suppose but they're not showing enough consistency at the moment.
They can if Van Dijk and Salah gets injured. They also looked a little shaky with Milner at RB and Matip in for Gomez.
Damn you City! Liverpool a step closer to the glory land.
It's the hope that kills.
I can see City imploding faster than Liverpool dropping points.
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If Liverpool win the league this year, they definitely can win it next year as I said earlier. I don't think this is a one off.
Somebody has to retain the title eventually. Liverpool as I said earlier will be motivated by Utd's title record, they feel that's naturally theirs and we're only just borrowing it.
I thought when Utd won the league in 07 that would be it for a while and Chelsea with all their money would rebound the year after.
But we were motivated further by the titles record which we tied in 09' and eventually surpassed in 11'.
Somebody has to retain the title eventually. Liverpool as I said earlier will be motivated by Utd's title record, they feel that's naturally theirs and we're only just borrowing it.
I thought when Utd won the league in 07 that would be it for a while and Chelsea with all their money would rebound the year after.
But we were motivated further by the titles record which we tied in 09' and eventually surpassed in 11'.
I know City have a good points total and will probably end up with 90+ points but for that amount of investment and to not win consecutive titles is poor, unless they win the champions league this year. I still wouldn't totally discount them doing the domestic treble (hoping not) but they need to sort themselves out quickly.
But how on earth do you compete with a side that is likely to win the league with 100-105 points?
Sometimes you have to hold your hands up and say Liverpool were too good rather than City losing it.
City have done their bit and took 4 points off Liverpool this year. It's not their fault the rest haven't.