Stupid fecking cow.
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Stupid fecking cow.
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- JC isn't asking to control the EU commercial policy whatsoever. However a customs union is achievable.
- true, but what JC is suggesting is not that far off and I can see him shifting to that through negotiation
- that's a given
- well it depends what the UK wants. If it wants decent access to the single market for goods then a customs union and accepting ECJ would probably be enough. If they want more then that then of course they'll have to accept the 4 freedoms
Wanting it because you're bored with it is about as willfully ignorant as it gets.
Quote: "An agreement on commercial policy that includes a UK say on future EU trade deals"
Apart from that do you seriously any of this would get through parliament.
The current agreement was widely rejected and that would be far more palatable than accepting these conditions.
Ah I didn't notice that. The EU will never accept that. However a customs union is indeed possible.
Regarding the current agreement we all know that its crap because of TM's red lines. If those red lines were to be dropped then the EU stance will change. Therefore if for JC, freedom of movement isn't necessarily hell on earth and he's willing to concede on that then I can see the EU conceding on other stuff.
Yes the stance would change if she changes the red lines, but the EU mean that if the UK stays in the CU/SM but we knew this two years ago . I keep hearing that FoM was the main reason the UK left and the second reason was sovereignty which they haven't lost.
Tusk is right, the UK has no idea what it wants other than fantasies.
Don't see what the EU could concede.
But that sentence doesn't mean much, it could be 1 of 28 says which is perfectly fine. For me what makes it ridiculous is that he is more or less offering full EU membership.
My point is that its possible to have a decent access to the single market without accepting FOM. For example Turkey has that by abiding to the customs unions while Canada's CETA removes most tariffs between the EU and Canada. However for a better deal then FOM need to be accepted. That's a red line for TM but might not be a red line for JC.
Yeah not from anyone I know. Anyone in london is pretty much praying daily that this goes away.
"The RoI left our union in 1922 after 121 years of being part of the family."
And what a family it was.
Its funny. We are an absolute laughing stock because of our stupid decisions. Yet when we are called out about our stupidity we have the same people crying about how someone called us stupid. How about the accept the reality of our mistakes?
Yes it's only a 1 in 28 say but why should they get a say. Yes it's virtually EU membership.
Not unlike Piers Morgan.
Is he clever - hell no.
All he does is to say the first stupid thing that comes into his oversized head and then keeps repeating it over and over and over again.
Unfortunately that was always the issue of people who said Brexiteers deserve a bit of pain to realise the benefits of the EU. They will just simply use that line to their grave.
Because in a custom union that includes EU and UK territories, EU member states and the UK should have a say about the rules and deals that will apply. There is no issue here, the issue is when brexiters think that the EU should count as one instead of 27, that's the scenario that is rejected and will always be rejected.
Access to the single market via a free trade agreement you mean. Turkey and Canada still have a border with the EU. Starmer has ruled out a Turkey style CU.
As I've said before ,tariff's are a problem but a non-frictionless border is a far bigger problem.
There is only one solution outside the EU and that's being in the CU/SM.
I see what you mean.
If you pay attention to what brexiteers initially wanted leaving the CU/SM wasn't as clear as they now pretend, only FOM and the fabled take back control were clear. On SM/CU, my interpretation is that they imagined a deal where the UK would have a disproportionate say as a member of both territories, when they realized that it wasn't going to happen, basically when EU leaders talked about consequences to the vote, that's when they shifted to a Hard brexit rhetoric, the hard brexit rhetoric was quickly shutdown due to the GFA and they moved to creative and technological solutions.
The issue is that the first option was effectively based on 27 countries reducing their sovereignty in favour of the UK, the second one was against the self determination of Irish people and the third one is the unicorn of all unicorns.
Yes but initially the likes of Farage, Paterson and Johnson et al were all talking about a Norway and Switzerland type relationship. They didn't think through the meaning of being of the CU/SM. They didn't consider NI either. They had never thought it through because they didn't really believe the UK would do the deed.
it's just a burn pogue not everything has to follow some ancient rules of debate
He'd make a great politician.
No-one knows, maybe all will be revealed on 30th March.
We get our country back!!!!!!!!!!
Aside from that border that virtually anyone can cross.
I don't see too much wrong with Labours recent proposal. It's achievable now they've water down the single market element.
Yes it is basically remain in essence but for a lot of people thats fine. It clearly doesn't meet the mandate of every segment of leave voters but for a minority it might and we are at the point of delivering minimum difference to placate the electorate.
Yes it is basically remain in essence but for a lot of people thats fine. It clearly doesn't meet the mandate of every segment of leave voters but for a minority it might and we are at the point of delivering minimum difference to placate the electorate.
I mean by very definition if they are using Brexit as an excuse for it, it has something to do with Brexit and wouldn't have occurred had Brexit not occurred.
Cause and effect. For those like me with an interest in science, it is important to consider cause and effect.
We all know the effect; the UK voted
There is a good saying:
Piss poor planning leads to piss poor product.
How true that is and there is another good saying:
Cause and effect.
The effect is evident - a shambles.
The cause - piss poor planning.
If we learn just one thing from our abysmal brexit process, it must be not to jump into anything without proper planning.
You can't make this up.
Indeed, failing to plan is planning to fail.
It’s not even a very good burn, seeing as Tusk was still Prime Minister of Poland when the EU were dealing with the banking crisis, never mind having anything to do with “designing the monetary union”.
and brexiteers have a plan, loot the country, but no one gives a shit because they know what tusk intended and didn't completely miss the point