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Is Ole a good appointment?

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Bobcat said:
No doubt Poch has done some great transfers like Eriksen, Alderwereid and Verthongen, but hes been very fortunate having Kane and Alli come through under his reign. The former is probably the best striker in the PL right now and the latter is probably the most valuable (except Pogba). Poch has managed to assemble a very good team on a small budget, but he has not won anything yet which is what concerns me.

Poch managing to build a great squad does not mean he will take us to glory and win trophies. In fact, having Ranieri outfox him (pun intended) in 2015/16 is actually pretty damning imo since all the other top clubs were awful that season.
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Agree with your post. Just to add, the bolded bit is more relevant to the likes of Arsenal and Spurs than to clubs like Utd or City. We have a huge budget and the more important skill set is the ability to manage big personalities in the team.
 
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Ole is doing a great job right now, but there were a couple of shaky moments today in the first 10 minutes and the missed chance by Babel. I think we should reassess again after the matches against PSG and the big games coming up with chelsea and liverpool. I would be fine with losing these games, as long as we don't go overly defensive and look like we have an attacking gameplan(like at Arsenal).

I was going through the RAWK thread on Ole and found this. Apparently the appointment reminds them of kenny dalglish.

Reminds me of Kenny taking over from Hodgson.

IIRC Kenny never got beat in the League from early January to the end of the season.

We beat Chelsea away, and City and United at Home and drew away at Arsenal and ended up finishing 6 or 7th from 2nd from bottom when Kenny took over.

Ole has just taken the shackles off and some of those wins have been very lucky they were not draws, Spurs finishing letting them down and Burnley blowing a 2 goal lead with 10 mins left, Leicester and Brighton were lacklustre 1 goal wins.
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This one on Arsenal Mania was just..

Imagine bringing old man who had serious sickness not long ago back from retirement. Only a real piece of filth like people who work at Manchester United and support it would do something like that.
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Don't think Ole could get a better compliment than having rival fans inventing conspiracies about how it's really Fergie who's pulling the strings at the club since Jose got sacked :lol:
 
VJ1762 said:
Ole is doing a great job right now, but there were a couple of shaky moments today in the first 10 minutes and the missed chance by Babel. I think we should reassess again after the matches against PSG and the big games coming up with chelsea and liverpool. I would be fine with losing these games, as long as we don't go overly defensive and look like we have an attacking gameplan(like at Arsenal).

I was going through the RAWK thread on Ole and found this. Apparently the appointment reminds them of kenny dalglish.



This one on Arsenal Mania was just..
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Thing with likes of RAWK forum is that they live in a alternative reality where they imagine things to support their chosen narratives well Dalglish got beaten in his first match in Charge against Us in Fa Cup and did loose his first league game in charge as well so not much in common with Ole then .
 
I voted no when he was announced simply because I thought he wasn't qualified enough for the job, and had my doubts if making people happy and adding positivity would bring some stability back. He has a brutal set of fixtures so I hope he comes through that fine but even if it were to go horribly wrong I still want him to be given the job full-time in the summer.

How many times have we struggled to beat teams like Fulham, Huddersfield, Bournemouth and Cardiff in the past few years? I feel making players believe they are better than 90% of the players they are up against is doing half the job, provided he is backed well I see no reason to get closer to the top next season.

Europe is a massive question mark but let's be honest his biggest rival for the job Pochettino hasn't achieved anything in Europe either. I dearly hope he's handed the reigns permanently in the summer and given as much leeway as his predecessors got.
 
To say that I have been happy with the football that OGS has brought to this United team would be an understatement. He has done much more than I could possibly ask for at this point. 10 wins and a drawn out of 11 games. Get out of here!

There has been argument about the challenges in the 2nd season, drawing reference from Di Matteo. How would we even know until we give him a shot? Surely he has done enough to deserve this 2nd shot, no?

Some ask how he would have performed if not for certain players e.g. Pogba. That could be said of many managers and teams who have world class players, and why can't United support to OGS to build an even better team?

If we continue to perform like we are doing currently, OGS must surely get another season as the Manager of Manchester United.
 
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The Glazers have to be two of the ugliest motherfeckers around. They remind me of those purple aliens in Futurama trying to steal all the historical treasures through a time machine.

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Oh man. This had me laughing. :lol:
 
IMO, keeping Mike (and the staff) is every bit as important as getting the managerial appointment right, so I'm behind Ole.
 
Lj82 said:
You sound like Ince, attributing our dramatic change in form solely to a morale boost. That's is frankly a ridiculous notion. Take the game against Fulham. The two goals in the first half are representative of the way Ole has changed our approach to games.

The first goal was a result of Ole getting the team to press higher up the pitch, which has been evident since game one. Herrera won the ball near the opposition's penalty box, released Martial who found Pogba (who was given the encouragement to drive forward by Ole), and Pogba finds the net.

The second goal came from a fast break, which under Ole we have dramatically changed from the team with the least breaks to the team with the most counter attacks in the league.

Heck, Ole even managed to improve our much maligned defence.

As good as Poch may be, he has won nothing in his career. Don't speak as if Ole has had zero achievements prior to his current Utd stint. He won the league with a mid table club in Norway. Sometimes football is as much about finding the right fit as it is about finding the best manager or player. Ole has thus far fitted into Utd like a glove. There is no guarantee Poch will. The pressure of managing utd is significantly different from that of spurs. Poch will not get away from saying that"winning cups are only good for ego" in Utd.
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Yes...I am attributing our dramatic change solely to a morale booster :lol:. I think you quoted the wrong person or you didn’t read my post because I could not find anywhere in my post where I stated that. You can highlight where you said I stated that in my post.

Plus, you stated that Molde was a mid table club..but before Ole took over at Molde, their manager Tor Ole Skullerud with Molde won their first domestic league and cup double in 2014. Furthermore, they were the first club to win consecutive league title in 2011 and 2012 in the current format. They were definitely not a mid table club, as they had such a rich history. However, Tor was sacked because he had a run of mediocre results at that time. Plus, unless I am mistaken, Rosenborg has won the league from 2015- 2018, so unless a Norwegian fan can clarify what is going on there in a league not many outsider would watch, I will question where you get your information from.

I feel, I have wasted my time dissecting your post because it doesn’t have anything to do with what you quoted. I watched the game and most fan was calling Ole to be aggressive early on in this game, it was not some kind of genius tactical play. With regards to Poch, Spurs has a different mission and ambition than United at the moment. So that statement made perfect sense when you look at mid table clubs who has won trophies and are now relegated or stuck mid table or fighting relegation.
 
Amadaeus said:
Yes...I am attributing our dramatic change solely to a morale booster :lol:. I think you quoted the wrong person or you didn’t read my post because I could not find anywhere in my post where I stated that. You can highlight where you said I stated that in my post.

Plus, you stated that Molde was a mid table club..but before Ole took over at Molde, their manager Tor Ole Skullerud with Molde won their first domestic league and cup double in 2014. Furthermore, they were the first club to win consecutive league title in 2011 and 2012 in the current format. They were definitely not a mid table club, as they had such a rich history. However, Tor was sacked because he had a run of mediocre results at that time. Plus, unless I am mistaken, Rosenborg has won the league from 2015- 2018, so unless a Norwegian fan can clarify what is going on there in a league not many outsider would watch, I will question where you get your information from.

I feel, I have wasted my time dissecting your post because it doesn’t have anything to do with what you quoted. I watched the game and most fan was calling Ole to be aggressive early on in this game, it was not some kind of genius tactical play. With regards to Poch, Spurs has a different mission and ambition than United at the moment. So that statement made perfect sense when you look at mid table clubs who has won trophies and are now relegated or stuck mid table or fighting relegation.
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What are you on about? You do know Ole managed Molde back in 2011 as well? That is the time when Molde escaped relegation a season ago with another manager, and then went on two win their first two leagues titles with Ole at the helm.

I know you badly want Poch to manage United but please don't twist the facts while slating one of our own.
 
Amadaeus said:
Yes...I am attributing our dramatic change solely to a morale booster :lol:. I think you quoted the wrong person or you didn’t read my post because I could not find anywhere in my post where I stated that. You can highlight where you said I stated that in my post.

Plus, you stated that Molde was a mid table club..but before Ole took over at Molde, their manager Tor Ole Skullerud with Molde won their first domestic league and cup double in 2014. Furthermore, they were the first club to win consecutive league title in 2011 and 2012 in the current format. They were definitely not a mid table club, as they had such a rich history. However, Tor was sacked because he had a run of mediocre results at that time. Plus, unless I am mistaken, Rosenborg has won the league from 2015- 2018, so unless a Norwegian fan can clarify what is going on there in a league not many outsider would watch, I will question where you get your information from.

I feel, I have wasted my time dissecting your post because it doesn’t have anything to do with what you quoted. I watched the game and most fan was calling Ole to be aggressive early on in this game, it was not some kind of genius tactical play. With regards to Poch, Spurs has a different mission and ambition than United at the moment. So that statement made perfect sense when you look at mid table clubs who has won trophies and are now relegated or stuck mid table or fighting relegation.
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Erm.... Do you know who led them to win their historic consecutive league titles in 2011 and 2012, a year after they escaped relegation in 2010? Yes, it's none other than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Waste of time indeed.
 
Bobcat said:
No doubt Poch has done some great transfers like Eriksen, Alderwereid and Verthongen, but hes been very fortunate having Kane and Alli come through under his reign. The former is probably the best striker in the PL right now and the latter is probably the most valuable (except Pogba). Poch has managed to assemble a very good team on a small budget, but he has not won anything yet which is what concerns me.

Poch managing to build a great squad does not mean he will take us to glory and win trophies. In fact, having Ranieri outfox him (pun intended) in 2015/16 is actually pretty damning imo since all the other top clubs were awful that season.
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Poch didn't sign Eriksen and Vertonghen, also Alli didn't come through their academy, he was signed from league 1 or 2 team.
 
DullardAndy said:
What are you on about? You do know Ole managed Molde back in 2011 as well? That is the time when Molde escaped relegation a season ago with another manager, and then went on two win their first two leagues titles with Ole at the helm.

I know you badly want Poch to manage United but please don't twist the facts while slating one of our own.
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Lj82 said:
Erm.... Do you know who led them to win their historic consecutive league titles in 2011 and 2012, a year after they escaped relegation in 2010? Yes, it's none other than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Waste of time indeed.
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Clearly stated, in my post that I have no knowledge of Norwegian club. There are barely any data available on it as well, which speaks volume about the quality of football in that league. However, there is no twisting of facts. Just clarification, which was needed and which I now have. And that clarification has not done much to sway from my point, but instead made me look up Molde history to see if they were a mid table club before Ole took charge.

After doing another quick research, I found that in 2009, Molde was the second best team in Norway. That was before Ole first stint at the club and showed that Molde was not a mid table club. They may have had a bad season before ole took over, but prior to that, they have showed some level of success. My original post about Tor was in regards to Ole second stint which I taught the poster was referring to. Another use case that presented that Molde was not a mid table club. About The consecutive back to back title, my data didn’t mention who the manager was, but regardless the point that Molde has some level of success prior to Ole appointment is a good indicator that Molde was not a mid table club. It will be like saying that Chelsea is a mid table club after Mourinho last season there.
 
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It’s hard to not want ogs in as permanent manager at this point. I like poch too and would have appointed poch over ogs when Mourinho was sacked as I had doubts about ole. But he has expelled the doubts and how.

Of course, we should not take a decision till the season ends as anything can happen between now and then but I’d say it’s his job to lose at this point
 
After 10 wins out of 11 and the brand of football we've been playing, I can not for the life of me understand how anyone could not want to give Ole a chance! Some whinging about Fulham having a couple of early chances yesterday! :lol: Have you not fecking watched us against West Ham, Brighton and Liverpool this season where we were outplayed for 90 minutes! He is a legend and deserves a shot to return us to former glories!
 
The job he has done is absolutely incredible. I don't think there is any other manager who could have done as well. He has managed to establish a culture and mentality at the club that makes it seem like the previous 5.5 years never happened.

Years of negativity and defeatist culture completely forgotten. I can't remember another manager having such an impact so quickly after taking over.

Of course, maintaining it long term will be a challenge but, unless he has a nightmare end to the season, it would be a major risk to give it to anyone else.
 
Amadaeus said:
Clearly stated, in my post that I have no knowledge of Norwegian club. There are barely any data available on it as well, which speaks volume about the quality of football in that league. However, there is no twisting of facts. Just clarification, which was needed and which I now have. And that clarification has not done much to sway from my point, but instead made me look up Molde history to see if they were a mid table club before Ole took charge.

After doing another quick research, I found that in 2009, Molde was the second best team in Norway. That was before Ole first stint at the club and showed that Molde was not a mid table club. They may have had a bad season before ole took over, but prior to that, they have showed some level of success. My original post about Tor was in regards to Ole second stint which I taught the poster was referring to. Another use case that presented that Molde was not a mid table club. About The consecutive back to back title, my data didn’t mention who the manager was, but regardless the point that Molde has some level of success prior to Ole appointment is a good indicator that Molde was not a mid table club. It will be like saying that Chelsea is a mid table club after Mourinho last season there.
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In 2007 Molde weren't even in the top division, 2008 they finished 9th, 2009 they finished 2nd, 2010 they narrowly missed out on relegation.

Ole came in and won back to back titles (their first titles ever).

They had one good season prior to him taking over, at best they were a mid table team.

What you're saying, is like calling Everton a top team, because they finished in the top 4 once, and expecting a new manager to win them the league.

His work at Molde should not be understated despite it being a somewhat inferior league



Edit: Actually it would be similar to what Leicester did, but then following that up by winning the league again the season after.
 
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Thiagoal said:
After 10 wins out of 11 and the brand of football we've been playing, I can not for the life of me understand how anyone could not want to give Ole a chance! Some whinging about Fulham having a couple of early chances yesterday! :lol: Have you not fecking watched us against West Ham, Brighton and Liverpool this season where we were outplayed for 90 minutes! He is a legend and deserves a shot to return us to former glories!
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Also Fulham are known to start strong.

But besides that, we often used to concede quite a few goals when Fergie was in charge. We just used to be so attacking that we would always outscore the opposition.

My opinion is let’s give ole till the end of the season and decide then. There’s no rush, he has had a great start but it may all go tits up soon.
 
I am in good mood (football wise) thanks to Ole. So, I am not pinning my hope against PSG. Even if we play good football that's okay for me this year. We had written off this season anyway, so anything good is plus for me. I will relax and enjoy the match.
 
Tony247 said:
I am in good mood (football wise) thanks to Ole. So, I am not pinning my hope against PSG. Even if we play good football that's okay for me this year. We had written off this season anyway, so anything good is plus for me. I will relax and enjoy the match.
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I think that's a great way of looking it at. Who here, under the past manager, just wanted the season to be over. We were playing boring football. The crowd were silent, players and staff had grim set faces and watching games felt like a chore. I was lucky enough to be a fan all through the SAF years and probably didn't appreciate it at the times but they were great times. I'm not suggesting this is the start of a second dawn for the cup but I'm sure as he'll going to enjoy it when we are playing exciting football.
 
Barring a very poor end to the season (Losing to PSG does not count as very poor, unless humiliated), the only sensible option is Ole.

Football has no guarantees. Some world class players and managers flop at clubs for unknown and unseen situations. Di Maria, Veron, Mou etc

If it aint broke then don't fix it. We'd be insane not to give it to Ole, even if things are only going well and not Perfectly.
 
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Amadaeus said:
Clearly stated, in my post that I have no knowledge of Norwegian club. There are barely any data available on it as well, which speaks volume about the quality of football in that league. However, there is no twisting of facts. Just clarification, which was needed and which I now have. And that clarification has not done much to sway from my point, but instead made me look up Molde history to see if they were a mid table club before Ole took charge.

After doing another quick research, I found that in 2009, Molde was the second best team in Norway. That was before Ole first stint at the club and showed that Molde was not a mid table club. They may have had a bad season before ole took over, but prior to that, they have showed some level of success. My original post about Tor was in regards to Ole second stint which I taught the poster was referring to. Another use case that presented that Molde was not a mid table club. About The consecutive back to back title, my data didn’t mention who the manager was, but regardless the point that Molde has some level of success prior to Ole appointment is a good indicator that Molde was not a mid table club. It will be like saying that Chelsea is a mid table club after Mourinho last season there.
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Still does not chance the fact that he won back to back league titles and a cup with a club that had never won the league before. Norwegian League is mostly a one horse race with one undeniable top club (Rosenborg) and while its by no means the best league, it still requires some managerial skill to win it, especially with a lesser club.

Even disregarding that, Ole is doing very well with us now. The results are amazing, the football is good, the players are happy, hes doing well with the media, he knows the club and its history and ethos, he brought Phelan back and he is adored by the fans.

Poch has made Tottenham a good side, but lets not pretend they were some mid table club before he took over either. They breaking into and getting regular top 4 is not only down to Tottenham being good, its also down to us, Arsenal and some extent Chelsea being shite the last couple of years
 
People are too obsessed about results alone. Things United fans should be excited about other than wins:

-The complete transformation of Pogba
-The rise of Rashford
-The use of the entire squad
-The flexible and smart tactics (counter attacking football against the right teams, domination football against the right teams)

Honestly this OGS side reminds me of the Chelsea teams in the early Abramovich years. I really enjoy watching this side because of it.
 
Amadaeus said:
Clearly stated, in my post that I have no knowledge of Norwegian club. There are barely any data available on it as well, which speaks volume about the quality of football in that league. However, there is no twisting of facts. Just clarification, which was needed and which I now have. And that clarification has not done much to sway from my point, but instead made me look up Molde history to see if they were a mid table club before Ole took charge.

After doing another quick research, I found that in 2009, Molde was the second best team in Norway. That was before Ole first stint at the club and showed that Molde was not a mid table club. They may have had a bad season before ole took over, but prior to that, they have showed some level of success. My original post about Tor was in regards to Ole second stint which I taught the poster was referring to. Another use case that presented that Molde was not a mid table club. About The consecutive back to back title, my data didn’t mention who the manager was, but regardless the point that Molde has some level of success prior to Ole appointment is a good indicator that Molde was not a mid table club. It will be like saying that Chelsea is a mid table club after Mourinho last season there.
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Mate, Molde was a midtable club.

The norwegian league is not the best in the world obviously, but its not the worst either. Some of the clubs has done a good job in europe over the years.
 
Amadaeus said:
Clearly stated, in my post that I have no knowledge of Norwegian club. There are barely any data available on it as well, which speaks volume about the quality of football in that league. However, there is no twisting of facts. Just clarification, which was needed and which I now have. And that clarification has not done much to sway from my point, but instead made me look up Molde history to see if they were a mid table club before Ole took charge.

After doing another quick research, I found that in 2009, Molde was the second best team in Norway. That was before Ole first stint at the club and showed that Molde was not a mid table club. They may have had a bad season before ole took over, but prior to that, they have showed some level of success. My original post about Tor was in regards to Ole second stint which I taught the poster was referring to. Another use case that presented that Molde was not a mid table club. About The consecutive back to back title, my data didn’t mention who the manager was, but regardless the point that Molde has some level of success prior to Ole appointment is a good indicator that Molde was not a mid table club. It will be like saying that Chelsea is a mid table club after Mourinho last season there.
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I won't bother responding to you anymore after this post. I can understand that there are people who prefers Poch, and that is fine. But there is a difference between being reasonable and having a preference, and being ridiculously stubborn and bending facts to suit your agenda.

The problem with your previous post is that it shows up your lack of understanding of Ole and his achievements. You didn't even know that he was the one who won the historic (Your words) consecutive league titles for Molde and you were trying to use those titles to put down Ole. When made known to you, you simply buckled down and refuse to acknowledge Ole's work.
 
I am sure if we beat PSG some people would say PSG played well for 20 minutes, It is not important that we won and we were better for 70 minutes, therefore please select Poch :D. Hey guys, If you love Poch for any reasons you do not need to bring odd evidences!
 
Lj82 said:
I won't bother responding to you anymore after this post. I can understand that there are people who prefers Poch, and that is fine. But there is a difference between being reasonable and having a preference, and being ridiculously stubborn and bending facts to suit your agenda.

The problem with your previous post is that it shows up your lack of understanding of Ole and his achievements. You didn't even know that he was the one who won the historic (Your words) consecutive league titles for Molde and you were trying to use those titles to put down Ole. When made known to you, you simply buckled down and refuse to acknowledge Ole's work.
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Took you long enough to figure him out. He's in a cult of poch and nothing else matters other than to lean towards his leader.

Hail Poch. :lol::lol:
 
Give Ole the job. You just cannot break up this foursome of Ole, Phelan, Carrick, and McKenna. They are doing great and if we bring in another manager we could lose this togetherness.
 
Ed. Woodward. Do it! Offer Ole the job. There can be no harm done in giving this a go over the course of a whole season.

I really love the look of our bench! Ole, Phelan, Carrick and McKenna! They just look right and we know they have the right character.

We know Ole has learned from the very best.

Ed. Woodward. Do it!
 
Skills said:
There were many on here arguing that we couldn't do better than Mourinho. He was the only one keeping us up, and the only way was down if we replaced him for the season.

After all, who was available to replace Mourinho?
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It was fascinating (dark) times, few people really had to eat a good portion of humble-pie since then.
 
AJ10 said:
Took you long enough to figure him out. He's in a cult of poch and nothing else matters other than to lean towards his leader.

Hail Poch. :lol::lol:
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I usually don't take much notice of the poster, but you are right. Shame on me for biting.
 
I think a new manager can get a really hard time succeeding Ole. If shit happens, fans will turn pretty fast knowing we had Ole and it was great.

This should be a easy call from our owners imo.
 
Lj82 said:
Erm.... Do you know who led them to win their historic consecutive league titles in 2011 and 2012, a year after they escaped relegation in 2010? Yes, it's none other than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.

Waste of time indeed.
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Came to post that... More and more sure dude is a poch fan than a united one
 
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