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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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Maticmaker said:
No, the written constitution would present the guidelines for holding a referendum on major change. Any Government wishing to initiate a referendum would have to meet that criteria, including specifying the winning margins, it could be by just one vote, providing the referendum is held in accordance with the relevant part of the constitution.

The decision to hold a referendum would always be in the lap of the Government of the day, that wouldn't change. We don't have a written constitution just now, the nearest thing is the Magna Carte, so the only thing that's sacrosanct is precedent.

My original point was that Referendums do not have to be the lotteries they tend to be at the moment. Learning from history is never bullshit!
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Here your is the original point,

"Referendums are only lotteries when those calling them have not defined the terms of acceptance, e.g. a 2:1 outcome, or over 65 % result etc. beforehand"

Now you say

"including specifying the winning margins, it could be by just one vote"

The history lesson from all this is that referendums are not solutions to difficult political decisions we shouldn't hold them and more people should have voted for Ed Miliband and none of this would have happened.
 
So are any leave voters still happy with their decision? if so, could you give me 1 reason to be cheerful that's factual and not emotional rhetoric.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Here your is the original point,

"Referendums are only lotteries when those calling them have not defined the terms of acceptance, e.g. a 2:1 outcome, or over 65 % result etc. beforehand"

Now you say

"including specifying the winning margins, it could be by just one vote"

The history lesson from all this is that referendums are not solutions to difficult political decisions we shouldn't hold them and more people should have voted for Ed Miliband and none of this would have happened.
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I also said in the same response that
"Referendums are valid when they are part of a written constitution, and when such a constitution defines how the results are to be accepted, beforehand. In this case the UK had neither."

I agree with you, that ill considered (binary) referendums are not helpful and as we've seen sow division. With all binary choices the winning side (no matter what the margin) always accepts the outcome, its only the losing side which disagree. As with our beloved game, the side benefiting from the refs decision always agrees, the side which loses out from that same decision rarely does... especially now there is VAR available!
 
Maticmaker said:
I can see that!
I'm talking about having a UK written constitution which lays down these things in advance, not some 'winning' margin dreamed up by whoever calls the referendum. The Scots Nationalists called for the referendum in Scotland, not the Unionists, Cameron called for the Brexit referendum in the UK because of promises he made to parts of his party, and he thought Remain would win... both initiators set their own winning post margins.
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In fairness the referendum they had was advisory and not binding... It's the politicians who chose to make it binding by invoking article 50.
 
sun_tzu said:
In fairness the referendum they had was advisory and not binding... It's the politicians who chose to make it binding by invoking article 50.
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I don't even think it's that that makes it "binding", it's that most politicians from the two main parties regard it as undemocratic to suggest opinions may have altered in the face of evidence three years on.
 
Anyone watched “brexit: uncivil war” yet? Halfway through, some of the characters are as I’d imagine them

One of you lot must be Dominic Cummings I reckon
 
Camy89 said:
I pray to him that you stop speaking to people in a condescending tone.

He's yet to answer me.
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He has now.
You are correct. Looking at my posts I can see that they can be condescending and for that, I apologise to anyone I may have offended including anyone from Cork.

The tone of this Brexit thread has become divisive and confrontational and I guess I followed this tone.

I will endeavour to stick to being as non-condescending as possible in future and thanks for pointing this out.
 
I saw a bill board with a tweet from JRM on it saying that we could have a 2nd referendum once the terms of leaving were agreed.

Initially I thought, good, but on reflection, wouldn't it have been better to have, at least, a clear framework, before the first one?
 
Oo0AahCantona said:
So are any feckwiteers still happy with their decision? if so, could you give me 1 reason to be cheerful that's factual and not emotional rhetoric.
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Fact number 1: Ger
Fact number 2: Rrr
Fact number 3: onn
Fact number 4: wiv
Fact number 5: it

Now I dare to you try and refute that?
 
:lol:

I love the way bmi blaming brexit uncertainty for their collapse.

18 people per flight average. feck off
 
Stanley Road said:
:lol:

I love the way bmi blaming brexit uncertainty for their collapse.

18 people per flight average. feck off
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They operate 45 seater airplanes. Not 180 seaters. Obviously the company wasn’t doing particularly well anyway, but that number as a year long average is not tremendously low.

I must say I find the attitude kinda what I was expecting would happen among Brexiteers. First (pre-Referendum), claim the businesses will boom. When the businesses issue warnings, claim it’s “project fear”. When business start to shut down citing Brexit, claim it’s all lies. And finally when recession truly bites, blame everyone else from the incompetent politicians, to the EU, to the bad man in the sky.
 
MadMike said:
They operate 45 seater airplanes. Not 180 seaters. Obviously the company wasn’t doing particularly well anyway, but that number as a year long average is not tremendously low.

I must say I find the attitude kinda what I was expecting would happen among Brexiteers. First (pre-Referendum), claim the businesses will boom. When the businesses issue warnings, claim it’s “project fear”. When business start to shut down citing Brexit, claim it’s all lies. And finally when recession truly bites, blame everyone else from the incompetent politicians, to the EU, to the bad man in the sky.
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And 35 seaters.
 
Stanley Road said:
:lol:

I love the way bmi blaming brexit uncertainty for their collapse.

18 people per flight average. feck off
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What about all of the other organisations that are hurt or moving?

Is that funny too? Or is it just a coincidence that they are all packing up a month before brexit?

Have a good laugh, March 30th none of us will be laughing.
 
Berbasbullet said:
What about all of the other organisations that are hurt or moving?

Is that funny too? Or is it just a coincidence that they are all packing up a month before brexit?

Have a good laugh, March 30th none of us will be laughing.
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He will be, he doesn't give a toss.
 
MadMike said:
They operate 45 seater airplanes. Not 180 seaters. Obviously the company wasn’t doing particularly well anyway, but that number as a year long average is not tremendously low.

I must say I find the attitude kinda what I was expecting would happen among Brexiteers. First (pre-Referendum), claim the businesses will boom. When the businesses issue warnings, claim it’s “project fear”. When business start to shut down citing Brexit, claim it’s all lies. And finally when recession truly bites, blame everyone else from the incompetent politicians, to the EU, to the bad man in the sky.
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All the planes i fly on to the uk are packed, i used to fly british Midland from schipol as it was my favourite. If bmi is the same company and it has died then bad luck, if it isnt the same company then bad luck. feck me, blame brexit all you like, uk jas not left yet.
 
Adisa said:
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It's quite interesting that they're trying to get more or less the same deal as the EU from an incredibly weakened position. The time frame alone makes the UK desperate and of course the Japanese are well aware of this.
 
Maagge said:
It's quite interesting that they're trying to get more or less the same deal as the EU from an incredibly weakened position. The time frame alone makes the UK desperate and of course the Japanese are well aware of this.
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What's worse, Fox was telling them to hurry up.
 
golden_blunder said:
Anyone watched “brexit: uncivil war” yet? Halfway through, some of the characters are as I’d imagine them

One of you lot must be Dominic Cummings I reckon
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Yes just watched it , was shown on Canal+ on Saturday.

But if you were Cummings you would target exactly the people he did, the gullibles, it was too easy.
 
The UK´s representatives in foreign affairs seems woefully inept at even basic diplomacy or social interactions even. They seem to act like the worst of the UK tourists you sometimes run into around the world. I really wonder what kind of stupidity that is being taught at the big fancy Universities in England. If these guys are the best the UK has to offer on the elite political level then i truly fear for the future of the United Kingdom. Scotland would be wise to exit as soon as possible to secure their own future rather than being lead by pure ineptness that exist in England currently.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s not good

So far all I see is about jobs going (as predicted) and very little about job creation
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Yes. The uncertainty is starting to bite. These people are looking 10 years into the future.

The Civic is built at Swindon and one of their first tier suppliers is UYS in Cowley. They make the exhaust systems pretty much exclusively for Honda and employ 2,500. The Company I used to work for manufacture automatic welding fixtures for UYS - they employ 50. In turn that company has about 10 other companies in the supply chain for components of those fixtures. And that's just the exhaust system of the car.
 
golden_blunder said:
That’s not good

So far all I see is about jobs going (as predicted) and very little about job creation
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What about all the extra Customs officer posts, Border Police and Port Authority Personnel posts, to handle the expected queues at Dover and the other expanding ports?
 
Maticmaker said:
What about all the extra Customs officer posts, Border Police and Port Authority Personnel posts, to handle the expected queues at Dover and the other expanding ports?
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Will they not be redeployments from within the civil service because you wont need many civil servants in roles that were directly linked to the EU?
 
Honest John said:
Yes. The uncertainty is starting to bite. These people are looking 10 years into the future.

The Civic is built at Swindon and one of their first tier suppliers is UYS in Cowley. They make the exhaust systems pretty much exclusively for Honda and employ 2,500. The Company I used to work for manufacture automatic welding fixtures for UYS - they employ 50. In turn that company has about 10 other companies in the supply chain for components of those fixtures. And that's just the exhaust system of the car.
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So roughly for one company that could equate to the loss of about 7000 jobs. Christ that is bleak.
 
Adisa said:
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The guardian article is even less kind

To start with:

The Financial Times cited unnamed officials in Tokyo who reacted with dismay to a letter sent on 8 February in which Hunt, the foreign secretary, and Fox, the international trade secretary, insisted that “time is of the essence” in securing a trade deal with Japan, the world’s third-biggest economy.
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According to the FT, they took exception to a line in which Hunt and Fox said “we are committed to [speed and flexibility] and hope that Japan is too”, interpreting it as an intimation that the Japanese side lacked a sense of urgency.
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Followed by

The newspaper also reported that Japanese trade officials were growing frustrated with their British counterparts, who had arrived at meetings without specialists capable of taking the talks forward.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...talks-high-handed-letter-liam-fox-jeremy-hunt

Almost feels like a sketch from the Dave Chappelle show. Cocaine's a helluva drug.
 
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