That was the father of her friend Amira.
Shamima Begum, IS teen wants to come back to the UK
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That was the father of her friend Amira.
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I don't think this @RedTillI'mDead hard nut is being particularly conducive to discussion and in fact keeps repeating the same old shite, potentially disrupting a more productive flow to this thread.
I don't think this @RedTillI'mDead hard nut is being particularly conducive to discussion and in fact keeps repeating the same old shite, potentially disrupting a more productive flow to this thread.
What do you think they said? ‘Can you take this ISIS supporting woman off our hands, she means you no harm’. I highly doubt Bangladesh would simply accept this.
Just another excuse for lawyers to make a fortune out a pointless court case using tax payers money.
Ah ok. My bad.
You're a nice person and I'd probably enjoy an intellectual conversation about this over a pint but I'm really glad you're not in charge of national security.
Do you think she can get a job in a national trust property shop selling homemade jams and tea towels to retirees when she's done her sentence.
He's been in the media quite a lot, claims to regret his actions but insists they have no relation to his daughter's decision to leave.
The kid should be nowhere near her family.
Very brutally honest but I cannot disagree
Why give her a job? Just lock her up indefinitely.You're a nice person and I'd probably enjoy an intellectual conversation about this over a pint but I'm really glad you're not in charge of national security.
Do you think she can get a job in a national trust property shop selling homemade jams and tea towels to retirees when she's done her sentence.
You're a nice person and I'd probably enjoy an intellectual conversation about this over a pint but I'm really glad you're not in charge of national security.
Do you think she can get a job in a national trust property shop selling homemade jams and tea towels to retirees when she's done her sentence.
The idea that MI5 forgets about her when she’s here and doesn’t keep 24/7 surveillance on her while in the country strikes me as odd... there’s little chance of a clearly somewhat dim 19 year old getting the better of our intelligence agencies.
It's not though. You claimed she's innocent which is just an outlandish statement anyway. So my point was, if you consider her innocent as things stand, would you trust her to be a part of yours or your families lives?
I can't imagine it ever being a comfortable life if they were.
If it were possible to take the child away, somehow stop her from having more, prosecute her, rehabilitate her properly, then monitor her well, then personally I'd be ok with her coming back. The second thing isn't possible nor morally correct, and the rest I have little faith in unfortunately.
I get where you’re coming from but you have to realise how easily manipulated this could become. If someone gets excused of terrorism and sentenced to death, how much proof do they need to give that sentence? If a politician or someone with high authority wants to get rid of someone wouldn’t they just proclaim their terrorists?
And is she really a terrorist? She shares some of their beliefs but has she actually harmed anyone? As I stated before she just comes across a bit stupid more than anything. I don’t see the point in making her stateless, then having a multi million pound court case which tells the government they can’t do that, which you can almost guarantee is going to happen.
She isn't home, any more than a British paedophile who goes to Thailand to live because he likes young boys is 'home' if he is caught by the authorities over there.
She is a British citizen, who was born and raised in Britain. She has Bangladeshi background. She has nothing to do with the country fo Syria, where she is currently residing, regardless of whether she went to some imaginary idealistic caliphate, formed by a terrorist group that was always going to be ultimately defeated.
She's a Bangladeshi Brit with no link to Syria, the Levant or the Arab world as a whole.
She admitted on film she joined Isis and they are officially a terrorist organisation
Pay millions to keep the threat out of the country vs pay millions to keep her in the country and part of society under a new identity...tough choice.
If she is in fact, stateless, then this is nothing but a Tory ruse until the media coverage dies down a bit before they let her back in on condition.
Plenty of people under surveillance have committed crimes. Bureaucratic mistakes and inefficiency happens. The time, money, manpower to surveil her indefinitely can be better used elsewhere. Begs the question what exactly does she offer society?The idea that MI5 forgets about her when she’s here and doesn’t keep 24/7 surveillance on her while in the country strikes me as odd... there’s little chance of a clearly somewhat dim 19 year old getting the better of our intelligence agencies.
As I said before we’ll have to wait and see.
You’re on a slippery slope when you ask a question like that. What do people in care homes offer society? I can understand where you are coming from but it’s not entirely relevant.
Or maybe they're just hoping she dies out there? Its not really out of question considering where she is and the way this Tory party works (delay and hope for the problem to disappear).
She said she's willing to be the poster girl of 'don't go join Isis, it's nothing like what they claim and also its a bit shit'
Not in such great words though obvs.
Isn’t that what they’ve done since 2015? They were no doubt hoping she’d die in an air strike at some point.
Is there not another angle to this complicated situation
If she joined the ISIS Caliphate (effectively becoming an ISIS national) and that Caliphate has effectively lost their territory, is she now also part of the ISIS Diaspora?
As a hypothetical example, if the Czech Republic (or any other state) was invaded and completely annexed, which state who the fleeing refugees/ diaspora belong to?
You realize that it takes around 20 people to keep round the clock surveillance on somebody, right?The idea that MI5 forgets about her when she’s here and doesn’t keep 24/7 surveillance on her while in the country strikes me as odd... there’s little chance of a clearly somewhat dim 19 year old getting the better of our intelligence agencies.
Yes
On the other hand, that could be a perfect ruse to get the UK to let her back in so she can do something sinister...
Do people in care homes need 24 hour surveillance due to a security threat?
Have those people joined an organisation that has conducted some of the vilest crimes in recent history?
Offer her your hand in marriage.
Not my type
People on the left use the argument that being lucky to come out of a specific vagina shouldn't grant you the inheritence and privilege that your family (or someone at some point in the family line) worked for, however they use the opposite argument when protecting this woman's privilege because it suits them.
The below sums up very well why we shouldn't be giving airtime to this woman who made her own choices and take a minute to think about all those other women who were displaced from their home by the war waged by those who this woman willfully supported, those women who were brutally abused, raped, and murdered. All those who have to live with the reality that other peoples choices brought upon them. Its easy for a lot of you to comment in support from the comfort of your homes but try and put yourself in those other peoples shoes.
She was never stopped from coming to the UK so why would the media circus decide to air this now? Its always to push an agenda and its pretty easy to see what that is. There are over 12 million stateless people in the world she's really not that special.
The below sums up very well why we shouldn't be giving airtime to this woman who made her own choices and take a minute to think about all those other women who were displaced from their home by the war waged by those who this woman willfully supported, those women who were brutally abused, raped, and murdered. All those who have to live with the reality that other peoples choices brought upon them. Its easy for a lot of you to comment in support from the comfort of your homes but try and put yourself in those other peoples shoes.
She was never stopped from coming to the UK so why would the media circus decide to air this now? Its always to push an agenda and its pretty easy to see what that is. There are over 12 million stateless people in the world she's really not that special.
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More jobs in the wake of Brexit though, innit.
It’s not mutually exclusive though, is it? I can put myself in both their shoes... I am not one of the people who demonized the scores of refugees fleeing to my country in the hope of creating a better life for themselves.
I'm of the opinion that if she meant what she said, it could be a huge weapon for us against radicalisation. If that were to be part of judicial punishment, then any financial costs incurred [which some members here seem to be obsessed with..] will be akin to a grain of sand in the desert.
So you are both the rapist and the raped? How does that work?
She has been raped herself??
Probably. Don't think consensual intercourse is high on the priority list of ISIS fighters.
The point was you can't see this from the perspective of those waging war, rape and murder and those who war rape and murder is being waged against.
What was your point?
She originally said that life in Raqqa fulfilled her aspirations, she had no regrets, and things only got bad at the end (i.e. when ISIS was losing). So no reason to believe her more recent statements.
Right...
She has made choices which she has more or less admitted she doesn't regret. If she returned to this country, she would no doubt have to be kept under surveillance (at what cost to the British taxpayer?), her history would be an impediment to her being a fully productive member of our society (at what cost to the British taxpayer?), and there would be the constant suspicion that she would seek to radicalise others (perhaps even her own children).
She made her choice and now she must live with it. If it is legally possible for the UK to deny her entry to the country, that would be my preferred route. If not, I wouldn't be desperately upset to learn she'd been found dead in a ditch somewhere (even if said ditch was in England).