This is what happens when british communities are built around a single source of industry, its been happening for decades, centuries maybe. Look at thatch and the miners, everything closed so we could import cheaper coal from Australia.
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Ah, but you're forgetting that countries will be queuing up to make trade deals with the UK once we leave the EU. Deals which will be brokered by our crack team of politicans who, up until now, have been kept secret from the public and the world at large.
With so many companies pulling their trade from Brian you've got to imagine they've been told there is no chance of A50 being extended.
Fasten down the hatches boys we're heading off the cliffs
Fasten down the hatches boys we're heading off the cliffs
I don't think that politicans in UK are better or worse than most of the countries (you should see in Spain). they are corrupt, dumb, entitled and usually they come as a friend as a friend on circles of power when you are too stupid to be in the private sector (when they finish their careers, they go private due to past favours). Who would go to the public sector when you can get much more on the private. Of course that if you are honest and politics are vocational for you...But of course you don't go far being honest in politics
Saying that, UK will be fine after Brexit, like any other european country outside EU, but they will pay a toll in the beginning. IN the end, who will save the economy will be the private sector as it will be swim or drawn, and of course, who will pay will be the average Joe.
Private sector will dictate the future exterior relationships for the UK, as the UK government will be in desperation to save the short term blow. That means, get ready for losing rights to save the economy. UK will thrive eventually, you are strong, but you will have to fight again for your rights
This is going well - 3500-7000 jobs pissed down the drain.
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...ar-plant-in-2022-risking-3-500-jobs-1.3797828
https://www.irishtimes.com/business...ar-plant-in-2022-risking-3-500-jobs-1.3797828
Yep, totally agree. Across Europe there are rancid politicians.
How true. Idiocy of epic proportions. Because of the lies of Farage and co, and the cowardice of Cameron. If there was any real justice these guys should end in prison for wrecking the lives of so many people for no reason at all, but of course this will never happen. 350 million per week...
Project Fear indeed.
Admitting they were wrong but the remain camp is still in the wrong.
Met police spending on plastic bullets triples in a year
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/19/met-police-spending-on-plastic-bullets-triples-in-a-year
The figures have emerged amid growing fears about the potential for a no-deal Brexit to result in civil disorder. Last month, the Guardian learned that almost 1,000 police officers from England and Scotland were due to begin training for deployment in Northern Ireland in case of trouble in the event of no deal.
Article is saying Police are essentially stockpiling rubber bullets. Let's hope they're not needed.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/19/met-police-spending-on-plastic-bullets-triples-in-a-year
The figures have emerged amid growing fears about the potential for a no-deal Brexit to result in civil disorder. Last month, the Guardian learned that almost 1,000 police officers from England and Scotland were due to begin training for deployment in Northern Ireland in case of trouble in the event of no deal.
Article is saying Police are essentially stockpiling rubber bullets. Let's hope they're not needed.
Yeah but think of all those jobs created at the rubber bullet factories.
They're probably made in the EU
Sometime decisions are made for pragmatic reasons. Without Brexit, Honda - who are loss-making and only running at 65% capacity - may have survived because because of goodwill and Anglo/Japanese relations. The UK as a whole has a productivity problem due to lack of investment in manufacturing technology and a failure to address the skill shortage problem. We have full employment but we aren't very efficient. It is difficult to see how any multi-national can consider the UK dropping out of the EU as a business opportunity in any form at the moment.
We can deal with this in one of two ways in my opinion.
The City is strong, as is the service sector so we could attract inward investment by becoming a tax haven. This would not be my choice because I don't believe that is real wealth.
If any success is to be made of this then a different approach will be needed. The intention the government has expressed regarding the Galileo project for the UK to launch it's own program (if the EU shuts us out) is the better tack. Investment in technology and manufacturing. Massive up-skilling of the workforce. Revisit industries we lost to the Japanese and others. Is there any reason why we can't design and build our own cars again? Renewable energies. Pharmaceuticals, EV's, AI. There are lots of areas that we could look to invest in if the will is truly there to be a global player. That sort of activity will in time attract inward investment from around the world.
But I expect the first option to be the one relied upon.
"Why are you blaming me for being right?"
Arguing with Brexiteers is so hard. They are all emotion and no logic.
"Why are you blaming me for being right?"
Arguing with Brexiteers is so hard. They are all emotion and no logic.
To be fair though, that was O'Brien at his most annoying. The caller had just admitted he had been wrong about something and was trying to lay out his thoughts based on what he'd just learned, and O'Brien just kept talking over him after every 5 words, and insisting that the guy was making untrue statements when he hadn't even had time to complete a sentence. That felt like an opportunity to change someone's mind, and instead he just made the guy feel stupid and angry. Counterproductive.
Crazy that they still have plans to use these things, lets hope rubber bullets are never needed over here again. But if they have to be then i hope this time around they train those shooting them that they are supposed to bounce off the ground from a distance and not be aimed at people's heads from close range.
He tried to change his mind. His mind was not for changing.
Actually I doubt this would be the case, its becoming clearer everyday, we remain in the EU as we are, or we leave with No Deal.
The majority voted to leave, but since most of our politicians know best and seem to want to remain, then that's how they should vote, i.e. to repeal art 50, not delay it, that just leads to further uncertainty.
There will be some trouble on the streets, but the powers that be in this country have never been adverse to controlling its 'marching malcontents' with enough force as necessary, as Maggie demonstrated, plus there would be lots of overtime for the Police!
Since the popular belief is that most leavers are in fact 'oldies' mostly pensioners, then its unlikely this group will take to the streets, more likely they will cause havoc with our political system, especially the forthcoming EU parliamentary elections, that's why Farage is focusing his attentions there, he knows now there will be no Brexit!
Plus the Remain ideology has had maximum propaganda effect at least in conventional media outlets; "its raining today...blame Brexit, the sun wont shine for six weeks after we leave... blame Brexit, we're are all going to hell in a hand cart (specially reserved places for some according to Tusk)...blame Brexit!"
As a country we have to move on, there is no compromise, its still a binary choice Remain or Leave pure and simple. Remain has all the money and the hands on the levers of power, so that's it!
Is that what you meant by new jobs created?
Yes thanks, forgot that one... it allows May to replace all those police jobs lost under the austerity regime!
British politics is wild. Not paid attention since the no confidence votes but now I see that May is likely to lose her majority with these defections.
What's the latest on Brexit?
What's the latest on Brexit?
I pity anyone who's retired in the past couple years or is planning to retire now.
Know anywhere that has great (or even good) ones?
I'd say most countries have a couple in amongst the junk.
Yep that's me and its probable not going to happen now. I'll be working at 70.
Hopeless.
Non the less still more coherent and logical than the governments position.
My hot take.
The difficulty is, both parties are playing musical chairs with brexit. The elephant in the room is becoming impossible to ignore, in that most people have clocked on how disastrous this is, and is continuing to be. However, instead of musical chairs its holding a grenade. Nobody wants to be left holding it when it goes off. The majority of parliament doesn't want to leave, the facts are clear at this point, the lies have become apparent but they have been forced to back brexit in some form as a way to appease voters for the party interests. Whoever calls for another referendum or to revoke brexit and remain has their party destroyed, because the other side can say "they've forced our hand we've reluctantly had to do it" etc to pass the blame onto whoever initiates common sense.
This is made even more awkward because labour cant hold, and couldn't hold a position of anti brexit, as it would destroy the party as a large portion of their voter base are leave voters. It's just a complete no win scenario for everyone. From labours perspective, they could ask for another referendum or make a campaign pledge to revoke brexit, but all it would do is strengthen the Tories long term. So the cost has to be weighed from the benefit of not having brexit vs the cost of long term Tory destruction of the country.
We need proportional representation, this psuedo 2 party system we have in the country is destroying democracy because both labour and the tories should split, there's a large ideological divide in both parties which leaves everything in deadlock. Labour needs to move back towards its socialist national party base but it cant do that without splitting, which would only strengthen the conservatives currently. the Tories also need to split in order to actually cater to the center camp and the highly right wing parliament seats.
TLDR: We need Electoral reform and the ability to hold media organisations responsible for inaccurate or false agendas being pushed that are against the interest of the population. News media has to much power in falsely influencing the electorate, and even after the leverson Inquiry everything was swept under the rug and nothing was done about it. without it, we are living in a democracy by name only.
The difficulty is, both parties are playing musical chairs with brexit. The elephant in the room is becoming impossible to ignore, in that most people have clocked on how disastrous this is, and is continuing to be. However, instead of musical chairs its holding a grenade. Nobody wants to be left holding it when it goes off. The majority of parliament doesn't want to leave, the facts are clear at this point, the lies have become apparent but they have been forced to back brexit in some form as a way to appease voters for the party interests. Whoever calls for another referendum or to revoke brexit and remain has their party destroyed, because the other side can say "they've forced our hand we've reluctantly had to do it" etc to pass the blame onto whoever initiates common sense.
This is made even more awkward because labour cant hold, and couldn't hold a position of anti brexit, as it would destroy the party as a large portion of their voter base are leave voters. It's just a complete no win scenario for everyone. From labours perspective, they could ask for another referendum or make a campaign pledge to revoke brexit, but all it would do is strengthen the Tories long term. So the cost has to be weighed from the benefit of not having brexit vs the cost of long term Tory destruction of the country.
We need proportional representation, this psuedo 2 party system we have in the country is destroying democracy because both labour and the tories should split, there's a large ideological divide in both parties which leaves everything in deadlock. Labour needs to move back towards its socialist national party base but it cant do that without splitting, which would only strengthen the conservatives currently. the Tories also need to split in order to actually cater to the center camp and the highly right wing parliament seats.
TLDR: We need Electoral reform and the ability to hold media organisations responsible for inaccurate or false agendas being pushed that are against the interest of the population. News media has to much power in falsely influencing the electorate, and even after the leverson Inquiry everything was swept under the rug and nothing was done about it. without it, we are living in a democracy by name only.
I feel that his position is simple but somehow he failed to express it. He wants brexit but he wants brexit with a deal, now the issue is that he doesn't know what that deal is supposed to contain.
Yeah, seems so. Some countries have more junk than others too
May is going to go on holiday with the EU to Egypt this week, and will no doubt achieve feck all from it, except a couple of days in the sun.
Thersea May: What's the matter with you EU, you told me the stream was shallow
Quite so.
Yes there will be job losses, probable recession, potential shortages of key products and a leap into the unknown.
But it will all be worth it when we 'take back control'.
Yeh. But No. But Yeh But.... They told me that it will all be ok when we take back control.
Let's just get on with jumping off that cliff. I am sure it will all work out ok. Won't it ????
Its the 1913 massacre all over again. Someone shouted fire and although there was no fire people got killed in the panic.
Possibly some wording for the "Cox codicil" ... Which will then probably get trounced in parliament anyway