Few are so desperate for Poch that they will turn anything into negative for Ole.
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You’re still in favour of Pochettino despite the “cups are for egos” comment and the recent meltdowns when the pressure gets too much? Including his recent intimidating a referee tactic? People were going mad when Mourinho was doing that for us.
I'm delighted with how the team and manager handled today under terrible circumstances.
You can make a direct comparison and see progress from the PSG game where we lost focus after the injuries, but today we were ready and coped mentally.
Not surprised to see people moaning in here when I get home, I'm not sure what people expect anymore. This is the best Liverpool have been in my lifetime and we've always struggled against them even when we've been far superior. They are always shit/scrappy games but we came away with a commendable draw after making three subs before half time, thats a great result in my book.
You can make a direct comparison and see progress from the PSG game where we lost focus after the injuries, but today we were ready and coped mentally.
Not surprised to see people moaning in here when I get home, I'm not sure what people expect anymore. This is the best Liverpool have been in my lifetime and we've always struggled against them even when we've been far superior. They are always shit/scrappy games but we came away with a commendable draw after making three subs before half time, thats a great result in my book.
Lingard risk didn't pay off, but hats off for being brave enough to be bold.
Give him the job, Poch can do no better.
Give him the job, Poch can do no better.
This post is an idiot.
It was a big mistake bringing on Lingard. People say that being on the bench means you're ready, but no. It means you can play a short amount of time if necessary - Key words being necessary and short. In our case, it was not really necessary as we had Sanchez to bring on.
People are saying we would have had to bring Lingard on for Rashford anyway, but that is a redundant point as Rashford played until the end of the game.
You do not have to be a professional to know that it is a massive risk to do strenuous exercise on a recent injury. Ole took the risk and it backlashed. Why can't people just accept facts?
The bigger issue is that we still have not seen whether playing the rest of the match will have an effect on Rashford. Hopefully, we will not lose him for too long.
Regarding the match, there was a lot of effort but a lack of quality. The defence was solid. The midfield was good on the defensive side, but Pereira and McTominay lack creativity. It was a performance full of efforts but with a lack of quality. The best moments came from Lukaku.
The injuries show the lack of depth in midfield but it feels like a lost opportunity with Liverpool being so poor.
People are saying we would have had to bring Lingard on for Rashford anyway, but that is a redundant point as Rashford played until the end of the game.
You do not have to be a professional to know that it is a massive risk to do strenuous exercise on a recent injury. Ole took the risk and it backlashed. Why can't people just accept facts?
The bigger issue is that we still have not seen whether playing the rest of the match will have an effect on Rashford. Hopefully, we will not lose him for too long.
Regarding the match, there was a lot of effort but a lack of quality. The defence was solid. The midfield was good on the defensive side, but Pereira and McTominay lack creativity. It was a performance full of efforts but with a lack of quality. The best moments came from Lukaku.
The injuries show the lack of depth in midfield but it feels like a lost opportunity with Liverpool being so poor.
We've seen everything that could go wrong for a manager at a club thrown at Ole. Injuries before games, players dropping like flies in game ect.. Ole comes out on top everytime and thats impressive. Our players are working for each other, covering for each other and that is coming down form the manager. Under Jose, we'd lost this match 0-3. If this doesn't prove he's worth it, i don't know what will.
Can't work out if people are being serious or trolling or just flat out unrealistic
Seriously what are some people expecting?
You couldn't come away from that game today not feeling proud of the team for being resilient considering the injuries so early, on top of starters missing.
Draw was a win today, boys, considering that we burned through all our subs 40 mins into the match by having to sub off a sub. We stayed tight in defense and absorbed their attack, and if Chris Smalling had half a mind for offense we'd have put two in on them.
That was a gutsy performance against a team that could have played us off the pitch under the circumstances.
That was a gutsy performance against a team that could have played us off the pitch under the circumstances.
Tactically outdone Klopp today and I have no doubts this would have been a win with the healthy squad. Give him the job no matter the league position at the end of the season.
Whether he gets the job or not, we need to have a £300m summer. Our strength in depth is extremely poor. The drop in quality after the first XI or XII players is staggering for one of the most expensively built squads in world football. Need to get some new midfielders, full backs and attackers if we plan to mount serious challenge for the title next season.
Yep! I initially wanted him to replace Fergie back in 2013 and still would love him here. The only manager I'd take over him is Pep but, sadly, that'll never happen now.
Still, love Ole and wouldn't - at this point - object to him being appointed even though I personally haven't been that big on our general football bar his first 3 games.
His results so far is outstanding regarding the circumstances. I give him 9,5/10. The game against PSG is the only real disappointment.
What can he improve with experience.
Rotation and substitutions. That’s an area where he needs to learn by experience. Today was a good example.
If we finish top four in the EPL then the obvious choice must be to keep him. Otherwise we’re doing this wrong. He brings to much good things to the table, the rest he will learn by time.
At this point I want him to stay 100%, don’t disrupt what looks like a winnng formula.
What can he improve with experience.
Rotation and substitutions. That’s an area where he needs to learn by experience. Today was a good example.
If we finish top four in the EPL then the obvious choice must be to keep him. Otherwise we’re doing this wrong. He brings to much good things to the table, the rest he will learn by time.
At this point I want him to stay 100%, don’t disrupt what looks like a winnng formula.
Brilliant from him again IMO. I absolutely LOVED when the subs were prepping to come on how he was over to all of them with his hand on their shoulder, giving them confidence and instructions. I’m sure it helped with us being able to overcome such a change of personnel. He’s so warm and likeable, a stark difference to Jose who would have just waved his hand from his seat and got his assistants to provide game info.
He also needs a squad of better players if he wants to rotate, because he needs to trust the backup players to come in and do a job. That's something that he needs at least one, but most likely two-three transfer windows to do.
If he trusted Alexis to do a good job he wouldn't have brought Lingard on, and if he'd trusted McTominay, Fred or Pereira he might've given Herrera or Matic a break during this 14 game run.
Hmm,
Yeah, apart from getting a point against the league leaders with 3 first choice starters missing and another 3 getting injured in the first half, only conceding one shot on target against "europe most feared attacking force" whilst fielding 5 youth team graduates, becoming the first manager in history to reach 26 points in his first 10 league games, I can't see any positives for Ole. I guess Palace will be his real test.
This game makes me fall in love with Ole even more.
Couple of months ago we were dreading to play against Pool or such similar games. We had zero expectations. We were waiting to be battered.
How times have changed, when half the team is injured and we are feeling gutted that we could have won the match.
That for me is the magic of Ole.
Couple of months ago we were dreading to play against Pool or such similar games. We had zero expectations. We were waiting to be battered.
How times have changed, when half the team is injured and we are feeling gutted that we could have won the match.
That for me is the magic of Ole.
Him not getting the job is ludicrous at this point. I'm far from convinced anyone else would be doing a better job. I mean, he's done better than everyone in the league since taking over with a rather mediocre squad.
Just hire him already!
We were absolutely fantastic and with a bit of luck we would have taken 3 points. Matic and Martial out of the tie before the game and then add to that Lingard, Herrera and Mata getting injured during the game along with Rashers who was not at his 100%. We're talking about none of our front 3 being at 100% and the 2 holding midfielders out of the game against a side that has scored in every game of this season until today!
It was a disciplined performance and it wasn't something that can be classified negative or such. I had a few doubts whether he can be the man for the longer term, but boy has he quashed all such doubts. Among the 3 games where we've failed to win, we struggled with injuries in 2 of them and in both of them one can argue that had a few things gone here and there we would have won ( Kimpembe getting a red and us being slightly more lucky in front of goal today).
We were absolutely fantastic and with a bit of luck we would have taken 3 points. Matic and Martial out of the tie before the game and then add to that Lingard, Herrera and Mata getting injured during the game along with Rashers who was not at his 100%. We're talking about none of our front 3 being at 100% and the 2 holding midfielders out of the game against a side that has scored in every game of this season until today!
It was a disciplined performance and it wasn't something that can be classified negative or such. I had a few doubts whether he can be the man for the longer term, but boy has he quashed all such doubts. Among the 3 games where we've failed to win, we struggled with injuries in 2 of them and in both of them one can argue that had a few things gone here and there we would have won ( Kimpembe getting a red and us being slightly more lucky in front of goal today).
Ole's at the wheel...
No need to announce anything at this stage, but I think he already has the contract.
No need to announce anything at this stage, but I think he already has the contract.
Lingard sub aside, Ole showing he has the stuff to make the job permanent.
At this point I just don't see how they could bring another manager in really.
Wtf is Lvg without possesion anyway?
Think the jury is on you from the promotion point.
He set us up quite well today I thought. We were the only team that created any clear cut chances. Fairly sure at full strength we would have beaten them.
He seems to have quite a good handle on the big games. The only game I can really say he was out thought was against PSG, and even then the injuries had a big big part to play as our tactics may very well have paid off without the injuries in that match, so that’s neither here nor there.
He seems to have quite a good handle on the big games. The only game I can really say he was out thought was against PSG, and even then the injuries had a big big part to play as our tactics may very well have paid off without the injuries in that match, so that’s neither here nor there.
Agree with this. I couldn’t remember a moment in the game when I thought Liverpool might score.
Can't work out if people are being serious or trolling or just flat out unrealistic
Seriously what are some people expecting?
You couldn't come away from that game today not feeling proud of the team for being resilient considering the injuries so early, on top of starters missing.
Like i said i didnt see the second half so i cant comment on that.
What i did see in the first half was pathetic.
Get the ball pass it to young hoof it up field and turn over possesion.
Get the ball try play out from the back and quickly loose possesion.
If the cafe thinks we played well i take it it was the second half they were talking about.
I didn't expect us to get anything from the game with all the injuries but for some reason I wasn't bricking it, felt assured that our players would do the job. Haven't had this feeling for a while.
People will argue on anything to advance their own agenda, which is rather pathetic but Win, lose or draw this feels like United of old.
People will argue on anything to advance their own agenda, which is rather pathetic but Win, lose or draw this feels like United of old.
I think they’ll likely announce him at the same time as a DOF in the summer.
Under the circumstances I think it went pretty well, several tests that the team and Ole passed today, in very difficult circumstances
the team fought hard, that attitude has been instilled in a very short time by Ole and his team.
I doubt any one could have got more effort and passion from the team, and given the problems, before the match and during the first half,
I think Ole did a pretty good job.
For me he has passed enough so called "Tests" to show he and his team should be at United next season
We have not seen anything like this since SAFs time, and Ole has got more points in his first 10 league matches ( 26 ) than any other
manager in premier league history.
He has to get the job. No point in giving Levy a bag of cash for Pochettino when you have a manager who probably isn't that much worse for a fraction of the cost. Plus that money would be better spent in improving the squad.
putting potential value into this equations as bad as when people use expected goal value nonsense in their post. There is nothing guaranteed that these players would reach that value. You can argue that mctominay has a value of £60m based of this subjective claim. These players were bought at those initial cost for the reason that it was how they were evaluated at the time and it represents actual value at their time. If Pochettino has bought similarly to United over the past few season, they would be even more competitive than they are now. So, I m not going to entertain this subjective claim of potential value when anyone can pick numbers that fit their argument.I already stated, transfermarket website doesn’t represent these players true value that clubs are willing to pay. Some clubs will see Rashford as more valuable than Ali and Pogba more valuable than Kane, linderlof and smalling more valuable than Alderweild and Vertonghen, Shaw more valuable than rose and the list goes on. That website is as meaningless as a fan coming out and proclaiming that his friend that works at Chelsea told him that they are going to offer £300m for Pogba. Until a bid is actual made and the paper is signed, we do not know the exact amount some clubs are going to play for these players. My evaluation of our first eleven is this:
De Gea(£80m) vs Lloris (£50m)
Young(£10m) vs Trippier(£20m)
Smalling(£30m) vs Alderwield(£25m)
Linderloff(£40m) vs Vertonghen (£25m)
Shaw(£35m) vs Rose(£20m)
Matic(£15m) vs Sissoko(£15m)
Herrera(£20m) vs Winks(£15m)
Pogba(£200m) vs Ali(£110m)
Martial(£80m) vs Eriksen(£60m)
Lingard(£30m) vs Son(£50m)
Rashford(£120m) vs Kane(£190m)
First team value = United: £660m vs Spurs: £580m
Bench/squad value, you can probably add £200m to United to Spurs £80m
As you can see, United squad is much more valuable than Spurs based of my estimation which is more accurate than that website, but even then I admit, it is subjective. When you add the rest of team, you will find that Spurs does not even come any where close to United current value. So, once again this claim that Spurs has a team comparable in term of value is laughable not only because it is not true, but because it is mostly subjective. If you have an disagreement towards my evaluation, let me know. The only thing, I might have underestimated is winks value. He may be worth a bit more.
The first half was a mess, it was stop start and there was no flow to the game. Both team struggled. All the stoppages, all the changes. Yeah we were holding on a bit, but not really.
Hopefully mate.
I agree, it may be that Ole already knows. ( I hope so ) but no need to let the world know just yet.
I cant see why not, but may be reasons we dont know about, isnt he technically still manager of Molde ??
Not sure about that, but maybe that has to be sorted out first, pretty sure they wont make it hard for him.
After what he has done, any one else would have a much harder job, a bit like whoever followed SAF would have a difficult time.
I agree in sense. our passing out from defence was very bad and we lost some very crucial possesion easily leading to two free kick chances for Liverpool but we had chance of our own with lukaku and Lingard. it wasn't a good match to watch and injuries killed the momentum. 2nd half we were better and Liverpool were complelty shutdown. shame injuries cost us. I'm certain we would've won the match otherwise
I already stated, transfermarket website doesn’t represent these players true value that clubs are willing to pay. Some clubs will see Rashford as more valuable than Ali and Pogba more valuable than Kane, linderlof and smalling more valuable than Alderweild and Vertonghen, Shaw more valuable than rose and the list goes on. That website is as meaningless as a fan coming out and proclaiming that his friend that works at Chelsea told him that they are going to offer £300m for Pogba. Until a bid is actual made and the paper is signed, we do not know the exact amount some clubs are going to play for these players. My evaluation of our first eleven is this:
De Gea(£80m) vs Lloris (£50m)
Young(£10m) vs Trippier(£20m)
Smalling(£30m) vs Alderwield(£25m)
Linderloff(£40m) vs Vertonghen (£25m)
Shaw(£35m) vs Rose(£20m)
Matic(£15m) vs Sissoko(£15m)
Herrera(£20m) vs Winks(£15m)
Pogba(£200m) vs Ali(£110m)
Martial(£80m) vs Eriksen(£60m)
Lingard(£30m) vs Son(£50m)
Rashford(£120m) vs Kane(£190m)
First team value = United: £660m vs Spurs: £580m
Bench/squad value, you can probably add £200m to United to Spurs £80m
As you can see, United squad is much more valuable than Spurs based of my estimation which is more accurate than that website, but even then I admit, it is subjective. When you add the rest of team, you will find that Spurs does not even come any where close to United current value. So, once again this claim that Spurs has a team comparable in term of value is laughable not only because it is not true, but because it is mostly subjective. If you have an disagreement towards my evaluation, let me know. The only thing, I might have underestimated is winks value. He may be worth a bit more.
He has to get the job, he truly understands the culture of this club and is performing exceptionally as well.
I can definitely see positives from hiring Ole.
Rashford and Pogba are playing a lot better,we are playing good football at times and its what most of the fans want but there are some negatives.
The two times we have come up against good teams that pressed us high we havent looked all that good,his subs arent always the best either.
Thetactic to pass it to young then hoof it long leaves a lot to be desired.
Also we are no longer 4th now Arsenal are ahead of us and if Chelsea win their game in hand we will be 6th again.