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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
My Girlfriend’s boss went to an event last weekend and realised they were sitting next to Banks. They picked up their stuff and moved to another seat. They then proceeded to see 3 other parties do the same.
He’s known to be absolutely toxic around Bristol apparently.
What has the one got to do with the other?
Did they go into administration because people could not work out how to open their online account?
People don't half post a lot of crap on Twatter.
Did they go into administration because people could not work out how to open their online account?
People don't half post a lot of crap on Twatter.
Straight banana's...seriously?!
Exactly!
Its like two faith-based religions; those favouring Remain are of a status quo belief; those favouring leaving are of a need things to change belief.
Strongly held ideologies on both sides and neither will change no matter what the outcome, because one spreads 'project fear' like its almost willing it to be a self-fulfilling prophesy and one spews out 'fake news', and the future is unaffected by the present.
Going to hell in a hand cart as my old grandma use to say!
That woman on the right pretending to have voted Remain. Yeah right.
"Let's get it over with so we can go back to normal" - clueless. Waiting to discover what the new normal will be.
Why is British media so obsessed with this format? (or is it just sky?)
I mean anyone in Britain can go outside and ask some random stranger about Brexit... where's the information or entertainment value in that? It's just a constant reinforcement of stupidity. The never ending cycle of stupid people being heard saying stupid stuff by more stupid people who feel reaffirmed because some bloke on TV said it.
I genuinely turn over from Sky News whenever they do this, it's infuriating that they give voice to these people. As you say it isn't journalism
Something to do with democracy and the common person's opinion being worth something perhaps?
If the common person had been listened to in the last 20 years, Brexit would not have ever happened.
Talking to a sensible person wouldn’t get 1000s of retweets from the FBPE crowd. The same way they always interview some mad cnuts outside a football stadium.
There isn't such a thing as a common person. Everyone is a common person (except the Royals maybe). Amplifying the voice of random individuals way beyond what the content of what they say justifies has nothing to do with democracy. I never said to take away their vote or anything remotely similar to it. "because democracy" has become this ultimate justification for anything now, hasn't it?
Their opinion is worth as much as anyone else's. It's not representative of anyone else though. At best it's a random voice, why put it above the other 64 million voices when it has nothing of interest to add to the discussion? Especially when there is so much stuff actually worth discussing at this time.
I have a lot of family members that you would freely and disdainfully call stupid. I can guarantee you they are comforted when people like them are represented in any public medium. Everyone is different but one of the levels we judge people on is how similar they are to us. The reason you're compelled to ridicule the idea of them having a public voice is the same reason they're heartened that thoughts like yours don't entirely govern the world they live in. So much other commentary on politics is dominated by aristocrats and experts. I'd imagine you can't see how suffocating that can be for other people if you can't see the value in this.
I did not say this. I asked:
I seriously doubt the 2nd part of that sentence as well. I did not ridicule them or anyone in particular. The post I quoted specifically has a remainer too. I didn't even say which opinion I don't share or think is stupid. You have filled all the gaps for yourself to suit your narrative.
Yeah so suffocating having to listen to people talking about a subject who actually know what they're talking about. Much more beneficial to have some random stupid twat spouting bollocks so other random stupid twats feel represented..
You asked why are stupid people allowed to reinforce other stupid people's opinions. You really think many gaps need to be filled in?
It all depends on your priorities in life, of course. What you think is beneficial for other people isn't the same thing as what they think is beneficial. Unfortunately your view of the world isn't the right one. It's just yours.
Sorry, I don't buy into this idea that all opinions are equal, they are not. The opinion of a taxi driver from Slough about trade and economics is not the equivilent of the opinion of an economics professor or international trade negotiator. This is half the reason we're in this mess in the first place.
"It's all the EU's fault we are asking for the impossible and they won't give it to us."
Amazing how a government will act like the public's opinion is sacrosanct on this matter, yet habitually won't give a damn about public opinion.
What a blatantly obvious swindle.
What a blatantly obvious swindle.
No that's a different point to the one I was making, and I agree with you. Expert opinions are in general much better at analysing, assessing and improving the conditions of the subject they're an expert in. Sadly not as often as we'd like, but enough that it doesn't even justify a real discussion about it. If someone takes the opposite view I'll listen to why but I don't find it credible.
The thing is there are people who don't want thoroughly logical analysis and assessment of an issue. Some don't even want meaningful progress on it. Their priorities are entirely different. It's not that they don't want it coming from an expert but they don't want it coming from anyone, at certain times and on certain things. I think we're entitled to challenge them but not dismiss them.
Could you please stop claiming that I said stuff that I haven't? Quoting is really easy too, just quote me when you want to highlight anything I have said. I asked why the British media, or Sky, is obsessed with that format and then went on to describe some of the effect it is having.
They can get a random opinion down the pub if thats what they care about. What worries me about putting these feckers on TV is that it can start people thinking that because its someone on TV their opinion must have some validity. Like when they ask sports stars about politics, as if being a great left back means your opinion on international diplomacy must be important.
Even if people don't consciously think it has value, it starts to have an effect by sheer weight of screen time.
Brexit wouldn't have happened if the common person hadn't been lied to continuously for the past 20 years and if they had not voted for loud mouthed spivs as their MEPs.
Yeah I think it's dangerous too. However I think the alternative perspective, that I'm completely blind to the dangers of experts and aristocrats being the only voices, is most likely true too. Our capacity for understanding the world from a perspective outside of our own is incredibly limited, IMO.
Here's your quote.
You said explicitly that it's just a constant reinforcement of stupidity, that stupid people are saying stupid stuff and being heard by stupid people, and asked why it is so prevalent. If you believe that isn't exactly the same thing as asking "why are stupid people allowed to say stupid things that other stupid people hear - at least this often?" then I don't think there's anything else to be said.
It's not just not exactly the same, it's a world difference. When I criticize players I don't want them banned from playing football either. Of course they are allowed to state their thoughts, as much as I, or anyone else is. The question was why this certain format is used so much in British media. It offers next to nothing (and costs nothing to produce, I guess it's saving grace).
Am I not allowed to question the quality of a certain tv format then? Because you certainly seem to take extreme exception at my criticism of it.
Why do you have an issue with that format? For the reasons you've given. We were discussing those reasons. If you want to understand my point then re-read the conversation in that context. I suspect like me you've lost all interest so...time to move onto something more worthwhile.
The point I took away from your posts is that it comforts some, fair enough. I still think it's incredibly overdone but I do agree, time to move on.
History will judge Jeremy Hunt as being an incompotent moron.
Face off!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...EU-theresa-may-article-50-jacob-rees-mogg/amp
It's the express so I'll take it with a huge pinch of salt... But saying the EU will offer Britain a unilateral exit... But ni stays
Would be interesting to see if the Erg would hang the dup out to dry like that... Suspect may won't even allow it to get to a vote but it would be interesting to see what the erg would do in such a Situation
It's the express so I'll take it with a huge pinch of salt... But saying the EU will offer Britain a unilateral exit... But ni stays
Would be interesting to see if the Erg would hang the dup out to dry like that... Suspect may won't even allow it to get to a vote but it would be interesting to see what the erg would do in such a Situation
I don't particularly like Will Self but he certainly managed that situation well, made Francois look the idiot that he is
Yes, but that was what the EU proposed in the first place and the UK insisted that it should be the whole of the UK because they didn't want a border in the Irish Sea.
Parliament will never agree on anything anyway.