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I feel sorry for the amount of tin foil wasted in the production of this post
Well. you reach the cul-de-sac that brexiters reach when faced with arguments on a second referendum. In reality is more simple. why so afraid of a second one?
was nice to chat with a brexit cliche
Do you think you are some sort of radical free thinker?
David Cameron, the Prime Minister when he announced the vote. The referendum was a manifesto promise in 2015 when he won a majority of seats.
He also said "“I am absolutely clear a referendum is a referendum, it’s a once in a generation, once in a lifetime opportunity and the result determines the outcome"
Furthermore, in 2017 both the Tories and Labour were explicit in their manifestos that they would enact Brexit
Leave is very clear. It means that the UK would no loner be a party to the Treaty of Rome, as amended at Maastrict and Lisbon.
Anything contained in those treaties would cease to apply, that's what "leave the european union" means.
Given that neither won a majority you can argue both of those manifestos were rejected by the will of the people and therefore are as relavant as nick cleggs manifesto on tuition fees
You are struggling to form an opinion when presented with an alternate viewpoint, an understandable condition. Unfortunate but understandable
yeah but he also said he doesn't feck pigs so
You are contradicting yourself within a few post. Desperate times.While the '2nd ref opportunists'' got a handful of counties between them. So the will of the people was against remain by your logic
Also, the logic of a real and direct vote was leave
Laughing face. Nice to keep up the humour when perplexed
These fairytale versions of Brexit, why is there never a roadmap? It's always 'I believe thing is going to happen and its going to be a success... I don't know how it's going to happen but trust me... I believe!'
And they have the nerve not to expect any pushback...
And they have the nerve not to expect any pushback...
Have you a roadmap of how the EU will take Britain to continued prosperity until at least 2100 please? As i've not seen one presented
I'd also be interested in how that roadmap to a utopian existence will address the problem of discrimination against ethnic groups and the use of racial based terminology in everyday language. As an example, using a term such as 'White Crusaders' to describe a perceived negative issue of western/ European people offering charity to deprived areas of Africa, even though such a 'problem' could be conducted by people of multiple ethnicities
that chip on your shoulder...Not on this topic as they both said the same thing
You: We've got to jump off this perfectly fine ship and swim out into the sea looking for land. For reasons...
Me: Do you have a map, location or destination?
You: ...Do you have a map, location or destination?
Me: ......I don't need one, this ship knows where its going...
You: ..........Blows raspberry...
But seriously, it's amazing that you keep playing that (white people) victim card...
If you hadn't noticed, this thread had already slowed to a crawl due to no new news. It only picked up once you started talking shite.
Nobody wants to hear me repeat the same statements that I and others have said and listened to several times... In fact nobody wants to hear you parrot the same taking points leavers have posted before either... They probably (like me) checked in on the off chance you might say something different, interesting, debate worthy..... Alas... I'll leave y'all too it....
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Nothing to add as usual. Well I won't derail this thread by sustained tit for tat.
I'm sure people will be interested when you decide to offer an opinion on the topic of this thread
So not wanting the freedom of Movement is something extra that the May added on quitting the EU, because FoM is about the EEA and not the EU.
So why you don't leave the EU staying on the EEA is beyond my comprehension. The Referendum said nothing about the EEA and the four freedoms
Do you agree?
I do.
But we have a parliament half full of incompetent children who can’t be bothered to deal with serious issues, and half full of lying malevolent shits who won’t listen to any reason.
There's 2 million people now eligible to vote who weren't at the last ref and they'll be more impacted than anyone (especially all those old folk dead)....yet the leavetards in here think that sticking to a 2 year old vote that's proved undeliverable without asking 'are you sure?' Is the democratic path?
It should nullify any further points from them.
It should nullify any further points from them.
Extra time for Brexit? Penalty shootout for England? Tears again? Historic win?
Predictions?
Predictions?
This is one of those times when 16-year-olds should have a say. I'm not usually in favour of lowering the age for voting, but this will affect them a lot over the next decade.
It also mildly bothers me that the older folk are always classed as the pro-leavers. There were plenty of young people who voted leave, too. And of course, all those people who didn't vote at all because they weren't interested in the whole issue.
So no evidence then. Nor is there any reason given why being part of the EU necessarily precludes access to these fast growing economies.
What Cameron said (ex-PM and ex-MP) has no binding effect on the current Cabinet and parliament. He is also utterly discredited as a politician (worst PM in history contender) and his past pronouncements have zero moral authority.
As for the Tory and Labour manifestos, we are two years further on from when they were drawn up and, after the impressive display of unity and consistency in negotiation on the part of the EU, it is now clear what Brexit entails. In any business, you would seriously reconsider whether to scrap the project at this stage after initial projections have proved to be wildly off the mark. Asked privately, I’d guess around 4/5 of the house of commons would agree that this is all a stupid idea if it wasn’t for party political management and loss of face.
Oh i didn't mean to make that insinuation, my point was as found by YouGov that circa 160k remainers die each year but 320k leavers do as well.
It's preposterous that the dead hold a say from beyond the grave whilst all those young uns now of voting age get none.
Bola is just the latest in a long line of posters to enter this thread (or the Trump one) and spout a load of meaningless catchphrases, completely ignore reasoned questions and facts when presented to them, fail to offer any kind of support for their claims, then declare the thread an echo chamber and act all smug like they're intellectually superior.
Every time it leads to pages of nonsense.
Every time it leads to pages of nonsense.
I was saying that Gammon was as unhelpful a term as remoaner or Neverendum.
Such a superiority complex, the state of you.
I was wondering why the thread had suddenly increased in size by 4 or 5 pages. I thought something interesting had happened.
First bit of sense on this age/youngsters commentary to appear on this forum congrats @Penna
"Standing on the shoulders of Giants" perhaps?
Just been listening to Brain Damage by Pink Floyd.
Perfect description of Brexit but much more fun to listen to.
Lots of people are very uptight about this subject so I strongly recommend taking a few minutes out to listen to the very apt lyrics.
And you have bundles of evidence to show how the EU will lead Britain to great prosperity up to at least 2100?
I look forward to you posting it
Nope. Just the same old trading of insults.
So in fact the government have no mandate to leave the EEA - just as well Leavers knew what they were voting for.
The EU doesn't lead the UK anywhere. The UK is part of the EU and lead itself wherever it wants by either influencing the EU's routs or by opting out of new treaties if it wants to. Your question is the same as asking if the UK will lead itself to great prosperity up to at least 2100?
Order, Order, Point of Order!!
Instead of focussing on the referendum , shouldn't some legal expert team prevent the government leaving under false pretences.
Leavers have not actually voted to stop FoM or leaving the Single Market. The government only have a mandate to leave the EU. Not the same thing.
If only the government had a party in opposition and one who had some brains.
Instead of focussing on the referendum , shouldn't some legal expert team prevent the government leaving under false pretences.
Leavers have not actually voted to stop FoM or leaving the Single Market. The government only have a mandate to leave the EU. Not the same thing.
If only the government had a party in opposition and one who had some brains.