Or more aware of how the structure of the EU actually works?
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Or more aware of how the structure of the EU actually works?
So which way would the so called peoples vote need to go to do that.
Meaningful Vote 3 on Tuesday apparently. No doubt to be followed by Malthouse draft C version 3.1.
So asking the people to take part in a 2nd referendum on something different to the first one, is undemocratic.
But asking Parliament to vote, for a third time, on the same thing is?
But asking Parliament to vote, for a third time, on the same thing is?
Yes exactly and more open minded.
But surely this proves to them that the UK are deciding their own fate, it's their choice. The Uk parliament can't decide what it wants.
Headlines like in the Express still going on about EU bullies is ridiculous.
The UK can leave whenever it wants - all it has to do is be responsible for its actions.
One gets the impression that they don't really want to leave because deep down, even hard Brexiters realise that it will be an unmitigated disaster but don't want to admit it.
What a load of utter horseshit, we aren't ruled by Europe.
If all of Europe sets the same standards on various issues, it makes it far more easy to trade with each other.
People might moan about such things like car emissions/safety standards, but if the whole of Europe is working to the same rule book, then we can sell one type of car all over Europe. In any case, if we want to trade in Europe, we will still have to follow all the European standards, in the same way we have to follow US standards to trade with the US. Remember all those appalling impact bumper cars of the 70s, and much tougher emissions standards started in the US too.
I'd like to know what it is that Europe is forcing us to do that we would really rather not do and we can do better ourselves? British Governments have consistently shown a complete inability to govern the country.
The way it should have gone all along. Withdrawal Agreement agreed by hoc and then put to people against remain on ref.
It is utter horseshit but Buster is right - many middle aged and older people do think this. It might be utter bollocks but they do think it.
Even if it were true, which it isn't, I have no idea why anyone would prefer our shower of shit being in charge.
And yet talk about the union and they're all proud of our kingdom and oversees territories. If a country should dictate its own laws we should be granting independence far and wide.
If we get a 2 year extension, what happens to the blue passports.
Answers on a post card please
Answers on a post card please
Hopefully Labour whip to support Benns indicative vote amendment. They've ruled out tabling a second ref amendment today but they have to support indicative votes so that a route towards a peoples vote can be found next week.
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Another uneducated question...
Are they going to be voting again on the exact same thing they voted on yesterday? With nothing changing?
Please don’t tell me that’s actually what’s happening?
Are they going to be voting again on the exact same thing they voted on yesterday? With nothing changing?
Please don’t tell me that’s actually what’s happening?
It also (I think) helps May politically for him to suggest that's the case? May is essentially going to offer MPs a choice: short delay + her deal or long delay + european elections + potential referendum/revocation/whatever.
As such even if the EU are in fact extremely reluctant to see a long extension (which they're bound to be) and see no liklihood of the UK actually cancelling the whole thing, it makes sense for the likes of Tusk to hype the possibility of that happening?
They will probably keep voting on it until it finally passes.
If we get a 2 year extension, what happens to immigrants and the £350m we send to the EU instead of the NHS?
I'd like the answers on a blue postcard please.
Oh fair enough. Delighted then she lost!
I've also heard that point of view, but it doesn't make sense.
Everyone can vote to choose their local MP. In our Tory constituency our candidate always loses, but we don't feel we haven't had a say. Similarly, we all have a vote for our region's MEP. I know that many people just don't bother voting for a European representative, but that doesn't mean they haven't had the chance to have their say.
UK turnout for the last 2 European elections was around 35%. That shows how massively important most people think it is. But now, suddenly the UK is under the giant European thumb and we should leave at all costs.
edit - I have to conclude that some people don't like the idea of being "ruled" by foreigners, which is ironic considering the British Royal Family is basically German and Greek.
Those arguments are paper thin nonsense.
Though I’m sure you’re not offended to hear that given you’re not actually a brexiteer. *wink*
I'm sure you know it but they can have blue passports anyway, it's not compulsory to have a red one. Croatia doesn't.
Bit more action than i thought with the amendments
- Indicative votes
- Block MV3
- Second Referendum
- Extension for new red lines negotiation
So apparently they’ll have a vote on ref 2.
Exactly, it's another one of the Brexit myths/lies.
@Paul the Wolf, remember when the blue British passports were cloth-covered board? I've still got an expired one somewhere.
Here we go...
I must admit to being surprised at this talk of a third vote so soon. It does open up the possibility that, if there is no extension, there will be a fourth vote just before the deadline.
As @Smores says above though, today's amendments could alter everything again. It doe seem a bit undemocratic to completely alter the meaning of a bill and then almost immediately vote on it, giving MPs no time to consider it or consult their constituents or anyone else.
As @Smores says above though, today's amendments could alter everything again. It doe seem a bit undemocratic to completely alter the meaning of a bill and then almost immediately vote on it, giving MPs no time to consider it or consult their constituents or anyone else.
Yes I came across an old one the other week when I was having a clear out.
It's forcing our hand. Either we accept the current deal or we revoke Article 50.
The EU won't extend the deadline just for us to renegotiate the existing deal, and whilst they would extend it to give us more time to prepare for no deal, we just voted against that too. The only option we haven't yet put to a vote is to revoke Article 50 entirely.
I've thought all along we would find a way to worm out of leaving, seems that this is it.
Add to Brexit heroes like Churchill who was half American, Boris born in the US , Farage of German descent and the list goes on.
Do away goals really count double?
They're trying for a 3 month extension because they know it will be rejected out of hand
Text of government motion:
They're trying for a 3 month extension because they know it will be rejected out of hand
Text of government motion:
You're supposed to send old passports in but I've still got mine as well.Big question now I guess on whether labour as a group votes for the 2nd referendum or not.
But they sent them back with the corner cut off to show they were no longer valid.
The reason i don't see a second ref passing today is that we've not even explored a soft brexit with the EU yet. That should occur prior to asking the people.
There is no other option on a "deal" to discuss with the EU.
I'm too pessimistic to think that the 2nd ref amendment will pass. I don't think there's any indication that a majority in the commons favour it.