Exactly my point.
The European elections will cost the country £100M! Brexit has cost the country £40B so far.
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Exactly my point.
The European elections will cost the country £100M! Brexit has cost the country £40B so far.
MP's understanding of anything has been exposed. They all seem clueless.
No idea why the EU would grant an extension. Being clueless isn't sufficient reason.
MPs really shot themselves in the foot by rejecting Parliamentary control of proceedings, just what were they thinking?
EU27 will most likely agree to it. But what I don't understand is that why would they want to prolong the inevitable. From the mess in the past few months, its clear to everyone that neither a GE or second referendum would solve the problems in UK in knowing clearly what they want.
EU have reiterated multiple times that this is the best deal they can give, so atleast for me I don't see what's in it (extending A50) for them. Are they hoping for a change of heart and eventually revoke A50?
Well, they don't want a no deal so hopefully the later.
It's going to come down to that probably
Probably hoping we revisit our red lines and agree to single market membership... Which in fairness might well have a majority and ends the border issue
This is why an extension should be Vetoed.
This is like a game of poker and the EU need to shove, put it all in the middle, force Parliament to make a decision with it all on the line.
Don't forget the custom's union.
In other words Brexit has been a complete waste of time and money.
Brilliant move by Bercow. At the end all is about "parliament is sovereign". Either parliament overcomes short term party politics and takes control or they fail to do it and history will blame parliament and its leaders in whole.
Now we will see, if Britains politicians MPs rise to the occasion...
Now we will see, if Britains politicians MPs rise to the occasion...
So if it comes down to hard brexit or no brexit will they let the people vote on that? They should.
And that is the key problem.
Once they become an MP and work in the HoC they rapidly loose touch with reality. Yes of course they go back to their constituents to hold surgeries but that becomes just a cover exercise to go through the motions.
They become tribal and get progressively deeper party politics.
Their priorities become - self interest, career progression, party politics.
The national interest drops progressively the longer they are an MP.
Reminds me of Animal Farm.
Anyone got a solution to this whole situation yet 
I found Teresa May!Anyone got a solution to this whole situation yet
Because each and every one of them, regardless of party is a self serving trough emptying agenda driven bastard who couldn't give a shit about the country as long as they are comfy. Life @Buster15 said, they are like snowball and napoleon from animal farm.
Just a plan?
If she sits down with Jeremy Corbyn and compromises enough to get Labour behind a plan, a realistic plan, that isn't going to take 2 years of back and forth to put together, then they'd delay imo. If its to have a referendum, they'd delay. An election, I wouldn't bet on but they might. If its 'just because' then probably not.
I'm kind of expecting just because to be the reason given.
Maybe she can tack Customs Union membership on to her current deal? It might tempt enough of the rest of parliament to get it past the ERG and DUP and it would have changed enough to put before parliament again. EU would probably be pretty happy about that too.
I don't think the country is ready in any way shape or form for a No Deal Brexit at the end of this month.
I predict Fyre Festival style chaos.
Edit: I'm travelling to Paris & Reykjavik with my EU passport in early April.
I predict Fyre Festival style chaos.
Edit: I'm travelling to Paris & Reykjavik with my EU passport in early April.
Fun fact: Teresa May is the name of the stripper who fecks the protagonist in the Prodigy video for Smack My Bitch Up
I agree. I also think it’s only the ERG who would inflict that on the country so I don’t think we will be leaving with no deal at the end of the month.
In addition to that, the EU aren’t going to agree to an extension without significant promises and I think the EU will demand a second referendum with clearly defined options - Deal/No Deal or No Brexit.
At least at that point, the will of the people will be truely decided and the outcome will be settled for whenever the new date is.
Neith side will be able to moan about it being undemocratic.
That's an image that I didn't need thank you very much.
I wonder if Cameron sleeps well these days? He really shouldn't.
I'd bet he sleeps like a fecking baby.
Definitely where the blame lies for this mess.
Thing is when you hear what people are saying it's astonishing how many believe another vote will be undemocratic. I don't think a second referendum would go down well at all, and I'm not even convinced it'd be conclusive.
Maybe a narrow victory either way?
Feels like the country has been permanently divided by Brexit.
He should sleep forever.
The country was always divided, Brexit just highlighted it
I think they'll agree to a lengthy extension if we agree to a 2nd ref/GE. TM probably has to resign in either of those two scenarios.
After a ge or after a referendum yeah I think so... Can't see her resigning before as it just adds 3 to 6 months to either a referendum starting or the election campaigns starting.
I think she might call a ge herself and then say to the EU either extend or kick us out
She would get the 2/3 majority pretty easily I think
Not sure. I think the Tories might veto a GE if she's at the helm. I reckon she'd need to announce her resignation to get the 2/3 majority in the House.
Still not 100% sure MPs would vote to Revoke in that circumstance. Would the Govt even table it as an option?
I don’t see the EU being interested in a GE. It’ll just cause more nonsense for them.
If May gets a bigger share of the vote and no longer needs the DUP, there is no guarentuee it would earn her more votes for her deal.
It’s more likely that she will lose votes to UKIP who will be backing no deal over her watered down deal.
If Corbyn wins the GE, he would be looking for a negotiation period and will hope to get a different flavour deal to May. They might get us in the CU but Corbyn won’t agree to that without getting concessions else where. Then his deal will go to a vote and then it will be rejected.
I’m certain they will demand a second referendum with a definitive outcome, for them that will ideally be May’s Deal vs No Brexit.
Anyone ever listen to the Brexitcast podcast from the BBC??
Parliament has already voted against no-deal, so I would hope that it would get through.
She’s a porn star from the 90s.
Just applied for my Irish passport, silver linings.
Second referendum has to be the most sensible option, feck those saying it's undemocratic.
Don't panic everyone. Dr Fox will save the day.
UK exports to Norway $4bn, imports from Norway $21bn - defecit $17bn
UK exports to Iceland $0.5bn , imports from Iceland $0.5bn (mostly fish)
UK exports to and imports from Liechtenstein, sweet fa.
But as the terms of the Swiss deal he boasted about wasn't as he said, I'd be very wary of small print.
Think I’ll do the same if Brexit actually happens.