Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

That'sHernandez said:
How's that relevant? If she were there to negotiate, he's done one instead of representing his party.
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And if my nana had balls, she'd be my grandad. It's the only thing that's relevant to me. The actual progress of things, rather than appearances.

Does he look childish for this, yes in my eyes. But it's entirely inconsequential and was always going to be. May just wants to push on with her deal regardless of what other leaders say.
 
They're wilfully missing the point. They'd get it if it were the other way round and we'd be in floods of :lol:s at Ummuna's expense.
 
Even if you're a big Corbyn fan, walking out of a meeting because of someone as irrelevant as Chuka must surely be seen as a needless (though minor) own goal at a time when the Tories are doing a stellar job of drawing criticism on themselves?

Obviously it was a totally pointless meeting, the only thing that even vaguely mattered about it was the optics for those involved. So why make them bad for yourself through your own unneccessary actions? Nobody should have even been mentioning Corbyn this evening given the shitshow leading government.
 
MadMike said:
And if my nana had balls, she'd be my grandad. It's the only thing that's relevant to me. The actual progress of things, rather than appearances.

Does he look childish for this, yes in my eyes. But it's entirely inconsequential and was always going to be. May just wants to push on with her deal regardless what other leaders say.
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It's not inconsequential; he had no idea what was going to happen in the meeting before leaving it because he saw someone there he doesn't like. If the contents of the meeting had never come out both he and the Labour party would have no idea what was said in it.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It's not inconsequential; he had no idea what was going to happen in the meeting before leaving it because he saw someone there he doesn't like. If the contents of the meeting had never come out both he and the Labour party would have no idea what was said in it.
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No idea :rolleyes:

You'd have to basically not be following politics in the last 3 years to think May would extend any sort of olive branch at this point. She was there to tell people, not negotiate.

I mean feel free to laugh at his expense, I won't stop you I find it funny too. He's constantly proving he's not capable politician, never mind leader, and we've all learned that by now. But today it didn't really matter either way.
 
sullydnl said:
Even if you're a big Corbyn fan, walking out of a meeting because of someone as irrelevant as Chuka must surely be seen as a needless (though minor) own goal at a time when the Tories are doing a stellar job of drawing criticism on themselves?

Obviously it was a totally pointless meeting, the only thing that even vaguely mattered about it was the optics for those involved. So why make them bad for yourself through your own unneccessary actions? Nobody should have even been mentioning Corbyn this evening given the shitshow leading government.
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No one cares or is even talking about this except people on here and twitter. Most people won't even know there's was a meeting.
 
Sweet Square said:
No one cares or is even talking about this except people on here and twitter. Most people won't even know there's was a meeting.
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People on here and twitter are still people though. People who help dictate the narrative surrounding government (the twitter people that is, not our useless bunch). Whereas it could have easily been the case that no people, at all, were currently talking about Corbyn doing something stupid.
 
MadMike said:
No idea :rolleyes:

You'd have to basically not be following politics in the last 3 years to think May would extend any sort of olive branch at this point. She was there to tell people, not negotiate.

I mean feel free to laugh at his expense, I won't stop you I find it funny too. He's constantly proving he's not capable politician, never mind leader, and we've all learned that by now. But today it didn't really matter either way.
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It's not about accepting an extended olive branch. It's about portraying strong and pragmatic leadership of his own party and potentially the country, which is what he professes he wants to do.
 
That'sHernandez said:
It's not about accepting an extended olive branch. It's about portraying strong and pragmatic leadership of his own party and potentially the country, which is what he professes he wants to do.
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He's incapable of portraying such qualities because a) he doesn't have them and b) he's not very good or inclined at faking it. This is not news, really.
 
I’m far angrier about Chuka.

If it’s possible to simply walk out of a recognised party, start your own while resisting wide spread calls for a by-election, and then actually show up at a meeting of political party leaders then what’s to stop anyone from doing it?

The irony is that Chuka appointed himself ‘spokesperson’ while saying he didn’t want to be a leader...

He also rejected chance to stand as Labour Party leader.

Corbyn is absolutely right to insist that a time of national crisis shouldn’t be used by one individual to seek further attention.
 
Neither here not there in the scheme of things, though it does hint at why this could never be a cross party process.
 
MadMike said:
And if my nana had balls, she'd be my grandad. It's the only thing that's relevant to me. The actual progress of things, rather than appearances.

Does he look childish for this, yes in my eyes. But it's entirely inconsequential and was always going to be. May just wants to push on with her deal regardless of what other leaders say.
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Yep. The statement from May demonstrates as much.
 
MadMike said:
And if my nana had balls, she'd be my grandad. It's the only thing that's relevant to me. The actual progress of things, rather than appearances.

Does he look childish for this, yes in my eyes. But it's entirely inconsequential and was always going to be. May just wants to push on with her deal regardless of what other leaders say.
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It’s absolutely not childish to insist that something so important isn’t crashed by a vacuous attention seeker who simply doesn’t represent a political party. They aren’t registered as a political party and nobody has ever voted for them.

They only exist as a ltd. company.
 
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sullydnl said:
People on here and twitter are still people though. People who help dictate the narrative surrounding government (the twitter people that is, not our useless bunch). Whereas it could have easily been the case that no people, at all, were currently talking about Corbyn doing something stupid.
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Your right but I've long checked out from the idea that actual day to day narrative has any real meaning in the UK. There's was a good example of this a few weeks back with the story of the women from Isis who wanted to come back to the UK. There was some data(I posted a tweet about it somewhere) that showed this story was doing tons of more views than any other story, it was the one news story everyone was talking about yet on twitter(I fellow a somewhat decent rage of people) the main talking about was Brexit. And there's just countless example of this.

The general public are taking in and talking about politics in a completely different way.
 
May statement was a massive waste of time. Looks like it's convince the speaker to hold a third vote and then win it or it's no deal. How the feck did we get here? Shambles.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
And the newspapers and the TV stations (no-one noticed) shhh!
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Er.....ok . I image the daily mail and the sun are against Corbyn because of he's ''gaffs''. Also most people get their tv news from the 10 min BBC news program.

It might be a shock to you but most aren't having sky news pumped Kubrick style into their eyes 24 hours a day.
 
Nuts said:
It’s absolutely not childish to insist that something so important isn’t crashed by a vacuous attention seeker who simply doesn’t represent a political party. They aren’t registered as a political party and nobody has ever voted for them.

They only exist as a ltd. company.
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No one knows who or what is funding them either!
 
You can only laugh. We are a mess. Someone just decided to out a bunch big feckwits in parliament.
 
Right at this moment, what can Corbyn do? Does Teresa May look like she wants a consensus? Genuine question, am I missing some solution that he isn't taking?
 
Dave89 said:
Right at this moment, what can Corbyn do? Does Teresa May look like she wants a consensus? Genuine question, am I missing some solution that he isn't taking?
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Should never have gone to the meeting in the first place. But then going and walking out casue he's seen Chukka looks a bit silly.
 
Adisa said:
Should never have gone to the meeting in the first place. But then going and walking out casue he's seen Chukka looks a bit silly.
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So he's a man of principle who doesn't put optics before all else? Bastard.

But bigger picture stuff, what can he do right now to appease those accusing him of lacking leadership and not being an effective opposition? Teresa May has drawn her battle lines and surely all he can do is give in, or refuse to give in? Giving in is not effective leadership or opposition, but refusing to give in is criticised as doing nothing.
 
Corbynistas seem to be the other side of the Trump supporter coin. He could shoot someone in public and they'd still support him.
 
It is a total freak of timing that we are lumbered with the worst and inept PM in my lifetime and an equally inept opposition leader. Now when we need leadership and direction the most we have zero. Corbyn is a fecking disaster.
 
Dave89 said:
Right at this moment, what can Corbyn do? Does Teresa May look like she wants a consensus? Genuine question, am I missing some solution that he isn't taking?
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He can openly back revoking article 50 and having a second referendum.
 
Zlatattack said:
He can openly back revoking article 50 and having a second referendum.
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What would it change? The numbers have to move in the Tory party before that would do anything. Call an election, get a Labour or Labour/LD/SNP majority, then he needs to shit or get off the pot.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Corbynistas seem to be the other side of the Trump supporter coin. He could shoot someone in public and they'd still support him.
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May could shoot someone in public and all you'd have to offer is "useless Corbyn would have missed"
 
In many ways I think he's the perfect labour labour at the moment. He won't get elected and probably the worst thing could happen to labour to get elected now, to clear up another Tory mess.
 
Dave89 said:
What would it change? The numbers have to move in the Tory party before that would do anything. Call an election, get a Labour or Labour/LD/SNP majority, then he needs to shit or get off the pot.
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It would draw the battle lines. If the Tories block it, the next option is to start banging the general election drum. I reckon there are enough remainer conservatives for the peoplesVote to happen, not sure about revoking article 50. Nobody in parliament has the balls to say what they really think.
 
Zlatattack said:
It would draw the battle lines. If the Tories block it, the next option is to start banging the general election drum. I reckon there are enough remainer conservatives for the peoplesVote to happen, not sure about revoking article 50. Nobody in parliament has the balls to say what they really think.
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Don't underestimate the leave sentiment in Labour, both party and base. Obviously I think Jeremy should go gung ho behind remain, but Teresa May is literally destroying the country to save her party. Meanwhile all the criticism is on Corbyn for not splitting his party to offer up words in anticipation of an election. This the same election that not having it is the only thing the tories can agree on.

Edited to add: obviously if an election is called, Corbyn needs to roll the dice on a 2nd vote, but if he does that prematurely, the tories will pull together to avoid the election, force through brexit and hammer Labour with "will of the people". It's a sad reflection of politics that he has to time his support of a 2nd vote so carefully, but he does.
 
This is the essence of it, surely:

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade:
"It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise."
 
SteveJ said:
This is the essence of it, surely:

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade:
'It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.'
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Corbyn wouldn't know any of that though, because he walked out of the meeting in a strop.
 
That'sHernandez said:
Corbyn wouldn't know any of that though, because he walked out of the meeting in a strop.
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Gardiner also said 'Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington.'
 
SteveJ said:
This is the essence of it, surely:

Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade:
"It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise."
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No, you're wrong Steve. In a political reality where the prime minister is making a mess of things daily, and sacrificing the country for party and personal ambition, the onus is on the leader of the opposition to jump through her hoops and pander to hypothetical situations where she, in some alternate reality, might have actually offered some sort of consensus in that meeting.

I think I've got the jist of it, I don't read the mail or sun so I can't be sure.
 
Dave89 said:
No, you're wrong Steve. In a political reality where the prime minister is making a mess of things daily, and sacrificing the country for party and personal ambition, the onus is on the leader of the opposition to jump through her hoops and pander to hypothetical situations where she, in some alternate reality, might have actually offered some sort of consensus in that meeting.

I think I've got the jist of it, I don't read the mail or sun so I can't be sure.
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:lol:
 
That'sHernandez said:
Corbyn wouldn't know any of that though, because he walked out of the meeting in a strop.
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You sure? Caroline Lucas pointed this out before she even went in, it was a meeting to discuss a letter that May had already sent ffs.

Smaller parties only take these meetings as it increases their credibility to be seen as involved
 
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