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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?


  • Total voters
    194
  • Poll closed .
Or lets ignore the 17m plus that voted for Brexit...

Barron made a claim regarding "the people", the petition simply indicates that "the people" are not of one mind and any assertion that a particular opinion or other represents "the people" is rhetorical overreach.
 
Or lets ignore the 17m plus that voted for Brexit...

Out of 67 million population.

My point being that stating a number and then saying that x, y or z number are being ignored isn't very helpful useful at this stage.
 
Let’s ignored those who voted for remain. They shall never have a say ever again
Yeah thats what I said... My point is that just revoking article 50 is a completely bonkers idea which goes against the result of a democratic referendum. A second referendum with a choice between May’s deal (if the people are well informed of the details) and revoking article 50 would be the only democratic way to respect “the will of the people”, to see if that will is still to leave, or whether it is now to remain when the nature of what leave actually means is clear.
 
Revoking article 50 is never going to happen, it's much more likely for a second referendum where MPs can hide behind it being the people's choice instead of taking the flack themselves.
 
This Government will not revoke Article 50.
Headmistress has spoken. :rolleyes:
 
Most of them haven't got the slightest clue of what will happen in the event of a no deal Brexit, and that includes parliament.

That’s ok. Most of them can crack on and vote to be the main event at Christmas. We only need around 2% of them to have changed their mind and another 3% to be unsure about Brexit and stay at home to flip the result.
 
You reckon? Think you underestimate the electorate. :lol:
I genuinely think there's going to be a shake up. There's some pissed off Tory voters out there who will do something drastic at the next election in response to what's happened with Brexit.
 
I've been criticising May's incompetence, but earlier I set fire to my own nose. Sadly, I'm not joking.
 
Hillarious to see JRG and Boris come under fire from the same people they've spent years riling up.
 
I genuinely think there's going to be a shake up. There's some pissed off Tory voters out there who will do something drastic at the next election in response to what's happened with Brexit.

Well unless something drastic happens like FPTP being changed, it'll probably be nothing more than another coalition in the end.
 
Still more than voted to remain and as for people who didn’t bother voting? Why the hell didn’t they?

Heavy rain caused delays at Waterloo - genuine reason from someone I know. It’s the pitfalls of having an election on a work day.

Obviously this is a purely anecdotal point.
 
Still more than voted to remain and as for people who didn’t bother voting? Why the hell didn’t they?
In any referendum which is about changing the status quo, people who feel strongly about the proposed change will always vote. People who are satisfied with the status quo and/or aren't interested in the change are far more likely not to vote.

In this case, I think most people thought that remain would win comfortably, which meant that even more folk didn't bother voting.

I've said it before on here, but in 1997 when the Welsh Assembly referendum was held, just over a quarter of those eligible to vote actually voted for the change. Slightly fewer people voted against and very nearly half didn't bother voting.

I agree that there should be a Welsh Assembly 559,419 (50.30%)
I do not agree that there should be a Welsh Assembly 552,698 (49.70%)
Valid votes 1,112,117 (99.64%)
Invalid or blank votes 3,999 (0.36%)
Total votes 1,116,116 (100.00%)
Registered voters and turnout 2,222,533 (50.22%)

The margins were so slim - but that's what can happen in referendums.
 
Something broke off from my reading glasses, so I propped them up with folded tissue...then I lit a cigarette. It was great fun, fanning the flames in panic, and now I've a blister on the tip of my nose. Hands off, ladies!
 
I genuinely think there's going to be a shake up. There's some pissed off Tory voters out there who will do something drastic at the next election in response to what's happened with Brexit.
What do you mean with a shake up? Do you mean a dictatorship or that what people vote for in an election can be overruled by MPs because they disagree with what the nation decided. We held a democratic vote (and yes we're in a messed up situation no doubt but no matter how I voted, we are in a democracy) and that result needs to be followed through. It's very simple as otherwise what's the point of voting and leave 500odd MPs to rule the country when in my eyes there are much better people out there to run a country if that's how we're doing it. At no circumstance should X no. of MPs decide the democratic vote means f-all and take matters into their own hand.
 
What do you mean with a shake up? Do you mean a dictatorship or that what people vote for in an election can be overruled by MPs because they disagree with what the nation decided. We held a democratic vote (and yes we're in a messed up situation no doubt but no matter how I voted, we are in a democracy) and that result needs to be followed through. It's very simple as otherwise what's the point of voting and leave 500odd MPs to rule the country when in my eyes there are much better people out there to run a country if that's how we're doing it. At no circumstance should X no. of MPs decide the democratic vote means f-all and take matters into their own hand.
I mean that a party like UKIP might end up getting much higher numbers than they normally would, with the Tories taking the biggest hit.
 
Something broke off from my reading glasses, so I propped them up with folded tissue...then I lit a cigarette. It was great fun, fanning the flames in panic, and now I've a blister on the tip of my nose. Hands off, ladies!
It proves what the packet says. Smoking can damage your health.
 
I genuinely think there's going to be a shake up. There's some pissed off Tory voters out there who will do something drastic at the next election in response to what's happened with Brexit.

Correct. There are pissed off supporters of both major parties and I am one of them.

The big problem though is the lack of an effective alternative. Unless TIG can develop into a political entity Tory voters are unlikely to switch to Labour and visa versa.
 
Yeah thats what I said... My point is that just revoking article 50 is a completely bonkers idea which goes against the result of a democratic referendum. A second referendum with a choice between May’s deal (if the people are well informed of the details) and revoking article 50 would be the only democratic way to respect “the will of the people”, to see if that will is still to leave, or whether it is now to remain when the nature of what leave actually means is clear.
If come April 11 there's no solution and the options are no deal or revoke A50, the right thing to do is to revoke A50, just because the people voted to fall off a cliff, doesn't mean you should enable them.

If someone wanted to commit suicide, you don't say, I'll buy you some coal.
 
I've been criticising May's incompetence, but earlier I set fire to my own nose. Sadly, I'm not joking.

Nobody had to stop you trying to pour petrol on it though Steve...
 
Something broke off from my reading glasses, so I propped them up with folded tissue...then I lit a cigarette. It was great fun, fanning the flames in panic, and now I've a blister on the tip of my nose. Hands off, ladies!
:lol:
 
Seems MP's are proposing more unicorns, the confirmatory public votes seems halfway sensible but I hope the other propositions are much more sensible than a new customs union and Malthouse Compromise.

The point of indicative votes was to find a way forward not bring up failed options. Unless they are going to accept a long extension which is the only way to achieve something like a new customs unions.