Actually although I think a lot of his views are unattainable, some definitely Quixotic, if Jeremy pulls off/forces a GE from all of this he will in the words of the BBC's News Night presenter "have played a blinder" and you would have to acknowledge that accomplishment
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Actually although I think a lot of his views are unattainable, some definitely Quixotic, if Jeremy pulls off/forces a GE from all of this he will in the words of the BBC's News Night presenter "have played a blinder" and you would have to acknowledge that accomplishment
Particularly odd that Corbyn of all people ended up being like that. When he replaced Miliband the expectation was an end to the triangulation and flip flopping that had characterised Labour's attempts to challenge Tory austerity. We thought we'd get full throated opposition to the Tories on their most damanging policies, which at first did happen & looked like it might change the political landscape.
But in the end Corbyn on Brexit has been almost like a rerun of Milband on austerity, disagreeing with the way the Tories were going about it, but agreeing with what they were doing, and just offering a lighter version of the same thing.
Its no real secret, Corbyn has been anti-EU since he was in short trousers and a fervent disciple of Tony Benn on this and many other matters.
We want option ‘L’ then right?
When do the votes start?
When do the votes start?
Corbyn is not asking for something that is possible. He's at the same stage May was at two years ago. Either he's even more stupid than the Tories or he knows that the EU would never possibly agree to it and just trying to fool his followers.
You could be part of the customs union and/or the single market but not without complying by the rules.
Theres no way that one is happening.
L preferably, though M might do it too.
L is the only sensible one.
Bercow appears to have ruled mv3 again
Bercow is an attention loving cnut.
Possibly not but I said it’s the most desirable outcome.
Yeah but he seems to actually act in the national interest. Not everyone is perfect.
If he has ruled it out the UK are in deep sh!t. So L better win and be adopted.
Not just that but he's also ruled out the notwithstanding motion which was expected to be the governments plan to get round it. So yeah, this will be fun.
Meanwhile, looking like the Tories aren't whipping on these votes and there's going to be quite a few cabinet members who abstain. fecking cowardly to do so but what do you expect. Might give M a chance of passing.
Disagree - M Beckett: Confirmatory Ballot is the best option.
Revoke is just people not thinking straight.
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No it's by far the most sensible option. Any form of Brexit will be bad for the country.
On a confirmatory ballot only provided by this parliament , ie the only one possible that is on the table - if it is approved by the public then it goes ahead, if it isn't then what?
Have to agree with this.
The only really palatable timeline is a second referendum and remain winning by a clear and decisive margin.
But there's not a remain option
Not thinking straight was having a referendum on such a ambiguous, non-binding question that most people don't understand to the public in the first place. Giving it to them again solves nothing. Revoking is by far the most sensible option.
So what is the vote for then?
Surely, it would have to be, "Do you agree with this option, or remain?".
Why am I not thinking straight? We should just continue the status quo until there is an actual plan etc. anything else is just counter productive.
No it's do you accept the agreement or not and if parliament is dissolved then it doesn't apply.
Honestly, it doesn't matter what Corbyn's spokesperson would have come out with, some of you would have hated it regardless.
How could he be more effective as an opposition leader? The electorate isn't sliced down the middle these days. Conservative leave, Conservative remain, Labour leave and Labour remain. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. As May is finding, there isn't a majority for almost anything and that view is reflected in the people as well. Thinking one person could unite everyone at this point in time is naive I feel! He'd honestly do better ducking and diving this whole thing until the Tories finally drive straight in to the wall.
How could he be more effective as an opposition leader? The electorate isn't sliced down the middle these days. Conservative leave, Conservative remain, Labour leave and Labour remain. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. As May is finding, there isn't a majority for almost anything and that view is reflected in the people as well. Thinking one person could unite everyone at this point in time is naive I feel! He'd honestly do better ducking and diving this whole thing until the Tories finally drive straight in to the wall.
Politicians still trying to fool the public, it worked the first time.
And if you don't accept the agreement, then what? No deal? Revoke A50?
The government consists of such terrible politicians. In terms of quality, intelligence, humility. Clarke is a bigot, but he's still a different class to them. Embarrassing state of affairs.
Exactly, there's only no deal left.
This is the amendment:
That this House will not allow in this Parliament the implementation and ratification of any withdrawal agreement and any framework for the future relationship unless and until they have been approved by the people of the United Kingdom in a confirmatory public vote
Yep, same one as yours i would hope.
Sick of hearing this. If Corbyn offered meaningful opposition to Brexit beyond "Labour would get a better deal out of the negotiation if you let us have a general election" I would support him, at least on this matter. The fact is he seems to think he can renegotiate a withdrawal agreement that the other negotiating party has categorically stated on numerous occasions that they won't renegotiate and this is the only agreement on offer. What's more, he seems to think (assuming a GE was done and won tomorrow) he would be able to do what the current government did in two years, in two weeks. It makes no logical sense whatsoever.
Firstly its undemocratic and secondly considering the last few years in this country a MP was murder, a man drove into a crowd of muslims hoping to kill the london mayor and the labour leader and Pro EU MPs have been constantly getting death threads. Simply stopping brexit and carrying on as it never happened is
well rather dangerous/
Agree why let people vote at all.
Unless I'm wrong the motion just say - To revoke Article 50 in the event of no deal, it doesn't mentioned anything about carrying on the process. Plus there won't be a plan because theres isn't the votes for one, everyone has a different view on what Brexit is. The Beckett motion is the best of the bunch and most democratic answer to what we are facing.
Huh?Agree why let people vote at all.
No-one is suggesting he could unite the entire country. But he's relied on remainer support while offering little more than scraps on the basis the Tories are even worse. No surprise that remainers are increasingly unhappy about it.
Yeah I wasn't actually agreeing with you. Just stopping brexit and nothing else is undemocratic.
Could we have a vote on here to see where people stand on all 8 options?
Got to love some of the creatures that's call in to 5Live this morning.
Caller One "It's simple. We just need to go. 5th biggest economy in the world we don't need the EU. We just need to leave, it's not difficult. That's what people voted for".
Caller Two "I have three family members who voted leave and they all did it for different reasons"
Caller One (butting in) "Why are we even discussing this? We won and they lost. People voted to just GO, and that's the truth"
Caller Two "My concern is that during the referendum it was clear what Remain meant, but Leave had no real definable outcome so people voted for what they thought would be the result, not what it was guaranteed to be"
Caller One "But it was clear. They voted to JUST GO."
Caller Two "But there was no full consensus, it was more of a promise that was put forward which persuaded some pe-"
Caller Three "DONT TELL ME WHY I VOTED I KNOW WHY I VOTED"
And so forth.
Caller One "It's simple. We just need to go. 5th biggest economy in the world we don't need the EU. We just need to leave, it's not difficult. That's what people voted for".
Caller Two "I have three family members who voted leave and they all did it for different reasons"
Caller One (butting in) "Why are we even discussing this? We won and they lost. People voted to just GO, and that's the truth"
Caller Two "My concern is that during the referendum it was clear what Remain meant, but Leave had no real definable outcome so people voted for what they thought would be the result, not what it was guaranteed to be"
Caller One "But it was clear. They voted to JUST GO."
Caller Two "But there was no full consensus, it was more of a promise that was put forward which persuaded some pe-"
Caller Three "DONT TELL ME WHY I VOTED I KNOW WHY I VOTED"
And so forth.
A logistics question here, is the speaker of the house of commons not allowed to have a break? I never see him leave his seat for the entire day...