Which solves what?
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Which solves what?
EU on a wum.
Glad you edited. You had me with "oaeticparti"
Of course it resolves nothing. It's a grab for power by Labour which won't be any help in resolving this clusterfeck.
Now this may be a really stupid question but is there even time to have a GE? Presumably it would take a while to set up and run? Because the UK is crashing out on April 12th unless parliament can agree something. So surely this Labour call for a GE is just being massively unhelpful re the issue at hand?
How many times have we heard that then?
If only the dickheads who've been running this so far had an ounce of your common sense...
People now obsessed with Customs Union which solves nothing. Here we go again.
The last one was called on the 18th April and held on the 8th June - 51 days.
I think the EU said it will only grant a long extension if something material changes in the UK, and a GE would fit that bill. I mean, once it happens nothing changes because we'll still be completely divided. Im not going to go out and vote Tory now to help deliver a strong majority in the interests of the country. Nobody else is going to change either. So we still end up with a massively divided parliament. Even if a party wins outright, there will be no majority at the policy level. But still, the EU will grant an extension to allow us to have the GE.
That strange sort of antivenom that actively supports and encourages the venom whilst it paralyses you.
People saying she's going to call a GE.
A monocle on the Tory manifesto and unicorns on the Labour manifesto.
Which people?
If one party ran on a pledge of pushing for a new referendum, they'd pretty much guarantee getting all the remainers votes. Lib Dem resurgence perhaps?
Weird plan if she has no intention of running.
I'm not sure if the fist sentence is correct, the long term extension is based on the idea that the UK has a clear plan regarding Brexit. A GE just adds uncertainty since we won't know what the next government will be and what he will do.
Lib Dems would / will pledge that, and they wont win shit.
If they want to do that, they may as well go with the Revoke A50 manifesto rather than a 2nd referendum one.
That's my take on it too. Feck knows though. Everyone seems to be making it up as they go along, so you never know!
There will most likely be a big extension.
It started with a peoples vote with no plan, so let's finish it with a defined peoples vote:
Option 1: Revoke Article 50 and remain
Option 2: Brexit - May's deal
Option 3: Brexit - No deal
It doesn't devalue democracy, it simply confirms that the previous regime handled this extremely poorly, and passed it over to Theresa May who had no chance, irrespective of her political views and/or ability as a PM. Democracy for democracy's sake is ill-advised.
Option 1: Revoke Article 50 and remain
Option 2: Brexit - May's deal
Option 3: Brexit - No deal
It doesn't devalue democracy, it simply confirms that the previous regime handled this extremely poorly, and passed it over to Theresa May who had no chance, irrespective of her political views and/or ability as a PM. Democracy for democracy's sake is ill-advised.
Really? I heard someone, some EU bod, say it. But maybe not someone with any authority.
I think a GE is seen as the first step in formulating a clear plan.
I cant imagine the EU booting the UK out while it is organising its GE to try and restore some order. I mean, I can see the temptation. But it is always going to come back to the fact they also get hurt. And Ireland, in particular, gets shafted. So they will take the excuse to give the UK more time.
Don’t you understand - we want to gerrrronnnnnnwivvviitttt
Where's the hypocrisy? Those things really aren't equa they'd have much
Besides our argument to them to stay was essentially that they'd be poorer and wouldn't be in the EU. Well we decided to force that on them anyway
I am certain that UKIP or something simliar will quickly emerge to take the no-deal votes. Depending on who leads the Tories to the next election.
No way should 'no deal' be on a ballot. You don't hand suicidal people a loaded gun.
Parliament can vote for a clear plan now, they don't need a GE
Yes. But it would have to be a two part thing or the Brexit vote gets split and when they lose they say its not fair and we have to do it again.
The premise of No Deal has to be an option. Because ultimately, it's one of few actual possibilities.
They're part of the United Kingdom right now and they want to remain in the EU, so it's in their interest for the UK to remain in the EU. It's not remotely hypocritical for them to also want to leave the UK. All the more so now the UK seems determined to leave the EU, against their wishes.
What happens when none of the options get more than 50%?
In theory. But theyve shown they actually cant.
Or you think on Monday they can agree to something on the indicative votes thing?
The opposing parties would just jump on that as being undemocratic as we voted to leave. At least by offering another vote they can say it is democratic because a lot of time has passed and new information is available etc.
So is becoming the 51st state of the US, let’s put that in too?
It's not a viable alternative. If we exit with no deal, we'd still have to agree a deal similar to the Withdrawal Agreement (divorce bill, citizen's rights and Irish border) with the EU in the months following our exit, only now from the position of being in the middle of an economic disaster.