Like toddlers who are complaining that they're starving but also don't want to eat anything in the fridge.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The ironic thing is that in my view this is the hardest Brexit the UK is likely to get outside of a no deal - any renegotiations for an alternative deal will inevitably be much, much softer. Even if there is a 'Brexit' PM they will simply not be able to get a harder Brexit than what is currently on offer.
I'd expect that will come also.
But that means you're in the EU except don't have a vote.
Yeah that's right - it's a bloody ridiculous situation. This is what I have believed will happen since we voted out.
Surely she must resign now? She can’t just go on.
I think she is likely to go next week - probably on Monday.
You'd think, any other PM in history would have resigned long before now.
For me it should be;
- Revoke A50
- General Election
- Second Referendum
The only sensible solution is to cancel it.
Can non-scots vote for the SNP?
I’ve always liked Anna Soubry
She’s like the antivenom to the utter shit show that is Theresa May.
She’s like the antivenom to the utter shit show that is Theresa May.
Yep. However we are not living in sensible times.
That is for sure.
Very democratic.
The SNP are slimy cnuts. They argue for UK being part of the European Union whilst they actively pursue leaving our union. They’re a bunch of hypocritical cnuts.
Half the people moaning about democracy don't actually have a clue what it is.
Yes, if you live in Scotland.
Freedooomm!!
Soubry calling for the WA to be brought back to the House with the Beckett amendment (Confirmatory vote) with remain as an option.
Not really - they want to remain in the EU - be it if Scotland remains in the UK or if they become independent. So it makes sense for them to vote for remain.
I do not understand the desire for another referendum. How can you trust an electorate who themselves can't agree on what exactly they want?
Its hard to imagine sanity ever returning to our politics at this point. It feels like Brexit has broken the system beyond repair.
I'm not saying I agree with their position, but those 2 positions don't contradict.
Because there is simply no other way out of this. Put May's deal to the people and tell them it's either that or remain. MP's then implement whatever they vote.
I also would be against another referendum - it's unlikely to solve anything and will perhaps make things even worse.
Yes, if you live in Scotland.
Could the SNP put someone forward to vote for in different areas? Pretty please
And the DUP actively pursue leaving the EU while arguing for maintaining the Union.
Swings and roundabouts.
Well, no one is brave enough to just revoke A50 without another referendum. It'd be undemocratic or something.
That would likely get it through to be honest. Then we'd have to pin our hopes on the birtish public, who I've not got too much faith in at the moment
Well, unlike the parliament, there will be a clear answer either way.
Thanks for reminding me, they just seem to be talking a lot of sense right now, but I suppose that's not exactly difficult with the company they are in.
Guess I'm a CUK for now!
It's gotta be Customs Union or People's Vote or GE. The first two got very close in the indicatives and could perhaps get the House backing if at least Labour whip for them.
If not the House composition needs to change.
If not the House composition needs to change.
It depends on the who's allowed to vote. If the voting age is lowered to 16, or if they allow BN(O) holders to vote, that should be a clear remain victory.
A bit like conservatism and liberalism in America. Everything from here on will be divided along brexit lines. If we do end up leaving, I will never vote for someone that wanted us to leave, regardless of other policies. Rather not participate.
The problem is, if you have another referendum and leave wins again with a majority of 49 - 51, then MP's and remainers would complain again that it was too close and there needs to be a more decisive outcome, and calls for another vote would appear.
Plus, shouldn't a confirmatory vote be "Do you agree with this deal - Yes/No" not "Do you agree with this deal - Yes/Remain" thats not a confirmatory vote, is it?
My way forward:
- Agree 2 year extension of Article 50 with EU
- Set up Royal Commission to investigate and provide impartial advice to the public on the implications of Brexit, in its various forms, to deliver report in 12 months time
- Two stage referendum process (on one ballot paper) in 18 months time:
...- Q1: Pass Withdrawal Agreement or Remain in EU.
...- Q2: If Withdrawal Agreement passed, pass current Political Declaration or Norway+.
- Parliament agrees to implement result of the referendum.
Absolutely. All trust is smashed and it's way more adversorial now- ie remoaners, Brexiteers are racists etc...Sad that it's driven a big wedge between my mother and her partner and the wife and I.
The choice is pretty stark now. No deal crash out on 12 April, or big extension to A50 and decent chance Brexit never happens.
No deal vs no Brexit!
No deal vs no Brexit!
So if they call a GE now, and you are a remainer, who do you vote for? Neither of the main parties are offering it.
If you want a customs union you vote for Labour. If you want hard Brexit you vote Tory, but if you think May's deal is as good as it will get, you also vote Tory?
I just dont see how a GE resolves anything, there is no correlation with a political position and a party at the moment.
If you want a customs union you vote for Labour. If you want hard Brexit you vote Tory, but if you think May's deal is as good as it will get, you also vote Tory?
I just dont see how a GE resolves anything, there is no correlation with a political position and a party at the moment.
Don't be silly Mike that seems far too sensible!