I agree there's no option that suits everyone but I suspect this will suit no-one, which would be the worst possible outcome rather than the least worst. The pro-Brexit press will be slaughtering this deal, but the Remain camp won't be defending it, they'll be criticising it too, albeit for different reasons. With both sides claiming its a poor arrangement, there's a very real chance the public will hate it. At which point parties start promsing more unicorns in their manifestos again and we're back to square one.
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I agree there's no option that suits everyone but I suspect this will suit no-one, which would be the worst possible outcome rather than the least worst. The pro-Brexit press will be slaughtering this deal, but the Remain camp won't be defending it, they'll be criticising it too, albeit for different reasons. With both sides claiming its a poor arrangement, there's a very real chance the public will hate it. At which point parties start promsing more unicorns in their manifestos again and we're back to square one.
You might make more money if you set fire to all your standards and protections and sign a trade deal with the US, well probably not you specifically, JRM would make lots of money.
Otherwise you'll be better off in the CU, its a bigger market that has more negotiating power.
Same here. I’m sure it’s always been this way, but Brexit has really brought home quite how flawed the system is. Deeply depressing.
It seems to be what you get if governments gut the public education system or you make it too expensive to get an education.
I remember seeing an idea on here about restricting voting to those who meet certain criteria. It was shot down but honestly I think something along those lines is needed.
Absolutely no need to apologise my friend. Things are so confused now and though I take time to attempt to understand what is going on I struggle to keep up.
Anyone knows whether EFTA actually wants the UK?
They're none too keen.
When it was last discussed I remember them saying they didn't want, if the intention was a temporary membership.
And common market 2.0 is based on EFTA membership. It's a strange one because from Norway's POV it would negate the advantages of EFTA.
Beyond belief.
QUOTE="Hammerfell, post: 23904304, member: 95919"]I remember seeing an idea on here about restricting voting to those who meet certain criteria. It was shot down but honestly I think something along those lines is needed.[/QUOTE]
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Letwin wins againwin.
More wins for Letwin
Choice of C D E or G
Same old same old which the government will ignore anyway.
Can't wait for the results!
Same old same old which the government will ignore anyway.
Can't wait for the results!
If g passes I think the erg might withold support in a confidence vote
I'll have a G please Bob.
He missed out the reason:
He said that he wished he had not voted for the deal, and that he regretted letting down the DUP.
Mustn't let the DUP down especially if they're running the country.
Shit is indeed getting real. Bercow is bound to face some vicious attacks over his choices. Some people suggesting Labour motion not included because it wasn’t submitted in time, which would just be typical..
I wish MPs had to submit a reason alongside their vote. A lot of Tories voted against the Letwin motion, considering Mays deal has been defeated 3 times how can they justify a vote against an opportunity to find a route forward? Especially true of the government
He probably thought it was a waste of time anyway which it is.
Your probably right, but it might give MPs enough room to claim they enacted the will of the people etc and we can all move on.
Probably not though.
Last week the DUP voted against Clarke’s customs union amendment. Clarke says he does not understand why. Under his plan, there would be no tariffs and no rules of origin checks. He says the backstop would become “irrelevant” and “superfluous”.
Think Clarke's lost the plot.
Think Clarke's lost the plot.
I love the smell of unicorns in the morning.
Another example of why democracy is bad. So let's have a look at youth unemployment in the EU, shall we?
So presumably the middle-aged and elderly, who are the majority in any European nation and especially the Mediterranean South, want to stop the young and mobile workers from leaving their countries. Despite being faced with unemployment rates of 30-40%. To do what exactly, if they stay? Further depress salaries due to competition for jobs? To sit there and starve? Imagine some populist party makes that their promise to win votes. Turn the countries into North Korea style prisons.
People are idiots. Selfish idiots.
SNP not supporting Clarke's, which makes things tricky for it.
G for me, but it won't be voted for by the DUP you see.
I love the smell of unicorns in the morning.
Another example of why democracy is bad. So let's have a look at youth unemployment in the EU, shall we?
So presumably the middle-aged and elderly, who are the majority in any European nation and especially the Mediterranean South, want to stop the young and mobile workers from leaving their countries. Despite being faced with unemployment rates of 30-40%. To do what exactly, if they stay? Further depress salaries due to competition for jobs? To sit there and starve? Imagine some populist party makes that their promise to win votes. Turn the countries into North Korea style prisons.
People are idiots. Selfish idiots.
To pay for their pensions
There's no point going into a Norway style deal, you pay 95% of the fee and have to accept freedom of movement and have no say on things. Probably end up paying more as UK will lose the rebate surely. Staying a full member is infinitely better for the UK than being some 3/4 member.
The only way this would work if is this was temporary, you set your own trades deals over 5 years say, then fully leave if UK wants to honour the vote. Would be a utterly pointless and stupid compromise if this is the long term solution.
The only way this would work if is this was temporary, you set your own trades deals over 5 years say, then fully leave if UK wants to honour the vote. Would be a utterly pointless and stupid compromise if this is the long term solution.
Staying a full member has always been the best option. There just aren't enough MPs who think the same way.
It's all utterly stupid and pointless. The least worst brexit is the best brexit if we have to have it at all.
I think there are, they just aren't brave enough to say it out loud. Be interesting if it was a secret ballot.
Whats the distraction in Parliament at the moment? Causing some hilarity.
EDIT - Sounds like they had a streaker judging by the puns.
EDIT - Sounds like they had a streaker judging by the puns.
Hence "selfish idiots". How exactly does that work when the diminishing youth is either unemployed or earning basic income? A lot of that youth are net recipients of unemployment or assistance benefits.
Moving to North Europe, both temporarily alleviates the unemployment issue and sees many of them return back with money to invest in 20-30 years time.
How are the unemployed going to create growth when there's 0 investment coming from anywhere, 0 liquidity in the banks and the taxation and NI contribution systems are extremely punishing? From where?
Of course
Going with some Norway deal isn't fooling any leave voters though, even the most stupid ones. The core tenets of leaving were the UK pays around ~240 million a week (350m without rebate) and Freedom of Movement. None of this changes so it's an exercise in futility.
Everyone you ask it seems the core tenets are different.
The above could be satisfied with a customs union, which ends freedom of movement and the UK wouldn't have to pay contributions for the running of the Single Market. However, another "tenet" according to May has been for us to be able to sign our own FTAs with other nations. Presumably for all our products too. Hence she's against customs union as well.
And obviously both of those clash with the reality of the Irish border.
Sorry, would have if I viewed this thread before now.
Aye, worth noting the majority of MP's still support Remain. Most of them obviously concerned about potentially losing their seats.
See the two amendments for Customs Union and Boles 2.0 want the WA changed.
Well that's the end of that. The EU says read my lips.
Well that's the end of that. The EU says read my lips.