Has political correctness actually gone mad?

The entire fantasy fiction genre is profoundly problematic, the more you think about it, considering it draws heavily from underpinnings of identitarianism, racial derogation via religiosity (where values like kindness and humanitarianism were largely reserved for in-group adherents), Victorian anthropology and related hierarchies, missionization of the evil and barbaric and swarthy “others,” et cetera — from Lewis to Tolkien at the head of the queue (slight caveat of them being bound by their time and socioeconomic class), and even someone enlightened and modern like Rowling (who disingenuously and aggressively positions herself as a retroactive champion of groups that are marginzalized in the mainstream).

Depends what purpose the author used the setting for. If it is glorifying events, perhaps it's a problem, while using it to explore ideas about humanity and other mature philosophical points is perfectly artistically valid.
 
Yeah I agree with all this. I just found it odd that that article targeted Game of Thrones when Martin has probably been more inclusive about basing cultures on non-European sources than most of the entire genre (and certainly far more than the other biggest authors).
Yep, some of the singling out is definitely unfair — Martin has done a slightly better job than some of the others (the bar was very low). However, you do get a sense that his inflexibility and tone deafness in terms of relentlessly drawing parallels between the real-fictional worlds to justify his writing (despite having no issues with integrating any number of fantastical beasts that definitely didn't exist in the former) whilst initially facing broader criticism served to exacerbate the issue. Then again, he shouldn't be held responsible for representation in his canon, especially if it feels forced and doesn't happen in an organic way.

Um, on a somewhat unrelated note, Avatar: The Last Airbender (a cartoon) did a great job of seamlessly drawing from a myriad cultures and weaving disparate concepts into a coherent storyline. You have Inuit and Native and Aboriginal tribes (all of these groups are rarely represented in any form of media, let alone in a complex light where they aren't mere props), militaries based on Imperial Japan, people and traditions that are definitely inspired by Tibetian and Chinese and Indian and Mongolian and Arabic and Vietnamese and Persian cultures — without making it overwhelmingly central to their identity in a or maladroit way, or perpetuating insidious stereotypes (like Rowling sanctioning a submissive Asian woman as a caricatured guise for Nagini). Too bad all of the flavor and whimsy of Avatar was undone in the insipid Hollywood movie!
 
But Avatar is a GOAT animated show. It sets a high bar. Dragon Prince is currently scratching that ich for me and mine.
 
It's the idea if you only have enough rational arguments people will stop believing but that in my experience never works. I'm more inclined to follow Noah Harari's viewpoint that religions die out because they become irrelevant and can't offer any satisfactory guidance for people on how to live their life in this modern world. With topics like AI and Gene editing becoming more and more relevant in the future.
Religion hasn’t been relevant in a long time, but it wasn’t until YouTube blew up that they really lost. Religion relies on brainwashing people, and you cannot brainwash people if everyone is connected.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...y-countries-especially-in-the-u-s-and-europe/

Anyway, remember how a decade ago, almost everyone believed that the wage gap was a real thing? Nowadays there is so much information on the internet to debunk this 77 cents to the dollar theory. Only clueless fools believe in that feminist propaganda now.
 
it's true, youtube is also why my entire town is building a shrine to planet X and our alien overlords, the rest of you who don't spend all day watching mumblers on early youtube won't be saved when the cataclysm comes
 
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Religion hasn’t been relevant in a long time, but it wasn’t until YouTube blew up that they really lost. Religion relies on brainwashing people, and you cannot brainwash people if everyone is connected.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...y-countries-especially-in-the-u-s-and-europe/

Anyway, remember how a decade ago, almost everyone believed that the wage gap was a real thing? Nowadays there is so much information on the internet to debunk this 77 cents to the dollar theory. Only clueless fools believe in that feminist propaganda now.
Don't you mean feminazis? Oh, and ***** of course. fecking feminist propaganda indeed. Also, religious belief is globally on the increase disappointingly.
The only thing the internet has enabled is the collective gestalt international consciousness of misogynists to talk absolute crap about a movement thats literal purpose is equality between the sexes.
Remember how a decade ago almost everyone believed that there was a general progressive trend in society towards equality and fairness in the West before that illusion was shattered by the prevalence of the types of bullshit views that you express?
 
The article addresses that. They “moved her to safety” but called her “monsieur” (like calling her sir) and told her “not to dress like that”

Assuming they didn’t hear what was being said she looked like the person who initiated a physical confrontation in that video, so not really all that weird.

Ah ok, cheers
 
Religion hasn’t been relevant in a long time, but it wasn’t until YouTube blew up that they really lost. Religion relies on brainwashing people, and you cannot brainwash people if everyone is connected.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...y-countries-especially-in-the-u-s-and-europe/

Anyway, remember how a decade ago, almost everyone believed that the wage gap was a real thing? Nowadays there is so much information on the internet to debunk this 77 cents to the dollar theory. Only clueless fools believe in that feminist propaganda now.
That link has absolutely no relevance to any of the points you are trying to make. It doesn't mention YouTube, or or the Internet or gives any real reason why religion is declining, just that it is. No one is disputing that anyway.
 
Religion hasn’t been relevant in a long time, but it wasn’t until YouTube blew up that they really lost. Religion relies on brainwashing people, and you cannot brainwash people if everyone is connected.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...y-countries-especially-in-the-u-s-and-europe/

Anyway, remember how a decade ago, almost everyone believed that the wage gap was a real thing? Nowadays there is so much information on the internet to debunk this 77 cents to the dollar theory. Only clueless fools believe in that feminist propaganda now.

Ho ho I strongly disagree with that statement.

I bet far more people believe that women are paid unequally to men now than did 10 years ago, given the amount the media tries to hammer that pseudo-economics down everyone's throats. Damn the airlines. Damn them all to hell.
 
That link has absolutely no relevance to any of the points you are trying to make. It doesn't mention YouTube, or or the Internet or gives any real reason why religion is declining, just that it is. No one is disputing that anyway.
I certainly am disputing the claim that religion is declining globally.One assumes that Youtube exists outside of the West.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is-faith-growing-and-what-happens-next

Also, whilst I'm citing, here's some fresh data on gender pay inequality in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47822291
 
Ho ho I strongly disagree with that statement.

I bet far more people believe that women are paid unequally to men now than did 10 years ago, given the amount the media tries to hammer that pseudo-economics down everyone's throats. Damn the airlines. Damn them all to hell.
Well despite the media being very pro-feminism, by far the vast majority of women still don't identify themselves as feminist.

The media can only lie and brainwash people so much. There is an infinite source of information on the internet that debunks feminist claims.

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This political correctness movement is just a religion for young people. Religion in the Western world was destroyed in the late 2000s and early 2010s when YouTube blew up. This PC movement will also be destroyed by the internet, because like religious people, SJWs can't actually defend their ideas in a debate with logic, so they rely on censorship.

The nice thing about the internet is that in the end, the truth always prevails.

There are a few places on the net that, as far as I know, have no censorship.
There's 8chan (not 4chan's pol, which bans discussions about some anime apparently), gab, and live comments on illegal football streams. You are right that there are no "SJWs" in those places. I do doubt that any "truth" has prevailed in them.
 
Well despite the media being very pro-feminism, by far the vast majority of women still don't identify themselves as feminist.

The media can only lie and brainwash people so much. There is an infinite source of information on the internet that debunks feminist claims.

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What precisely is the difference between "I support women's rights and equality" and I identify as a feminist? The former is literally the definition of the latter.
One would hope the media is pro woman's rights and equality, in the same way I'd prefer it not to be anti-semitic, racist or pro-paedophilia.
 
What precisely is the difference between "I support women's rights and equality" and I identify as a feminist? The former is literally the definition of the latter.
Why do you think so few women identify as feminist, despite the fact that almost all of them believe in equal rights?

Maybe feminists needs some self-reflection.
 
Why do you think so few women identify as feminist, despite the fact that almost all of them believe in equal rights?

Maybe feminists needs some self-reflection.
The word feminist literally means someone who believes in equal rights. It's the literal fecking definition of the word.
Why do you think that is? What are they saying over on 8chan?
Is it because evil feminists are out of control and need slapped down?
 
The word feminist literally means someone who believes in equal rights. It's the literal fecking definition of the word.
People tend to judge other people by their actions, not by their words.

Eg. feminists can claim to be all about equality, but if their actions suggest otherwise, people won't support them.

That's why few women identify as feminist, despite the fact that almost all of them believe in equality.
 
Why do you think that is? What are they saying over on 8chan?
um excuse me sir, me and info are truth warriors from youtube don't sully us with an association to the filth at 8chan, have you watched 3 hours a day of saargon of akkad talking directly to the camera? didn't think so that why you're so brainwashed
 
I certainly am disputing the claim that religion is declining globally.One assumes that Youtube exists outside of the West.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is-faith-growing-and-what-happens-next

Also, whilst I'm citing, here's some fresh data on gender pay inequality in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47822291
That guardian article seems to link a rise to simple population increases in Asian countries where most of the population identify with the religious majority group. It doesn't really disprove the other link.

I've no issue with the other link, if that's addressed at me.
 
um excuse me sir, me and info are truth warriors from youtube don't sully us with an association to the filth at 8chan, have you watched 3 hours a day of saargon of akkad talking directly to the camera? didn't think so that why you're so brainwashed
What's your explanation to why few women identify as feminist, despite the fact that the majority believe in equality? Why does this disparity exist?
 
Also, whilst I'm citing, here's some fresh data on gender pay inequality in the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47822291
"The median pay gap is calculated by comparing the difference in pay between the middle-ranking woman and middle-ranking man in the same companies."

How many hours did the men work compared to the women?
How much overtime did men work compared to women?
How many sick days did men take compared to women?
How many holidays did men take compared to women?

By pushing equal pay on two groups of people who don't work at the same rate, you will do nothing but encourage companies to hire more men and fewer women.
 
What's your explanation to why few women identify as feminist?
that's always been the case kid, from the inception to now - feminists have had a specific role in society and it's about activism not identity, in the 1920s they were thought of as lesbian spinsters to now where they're apparently trying to men second class citizens
 
that's always been the case kid, from the inception to now - feminists have had a specific role in society and it's about activism not identity, in the 1920s they were thought of as lesbian spinsters to now where they're apparently trying to men second class citizens
Why do feminists still have a negative image attached to them, despite the fact that the media puts them in a very favorable light?

Maybe their actions speak louder than words?
 
Why do feminists still have a negative image attached to them, despite the fact that the media puts them in a very favorable light?

Maybe their actions speak louder than words?
I don't know what you're talking about, I'm on your side. Fox news has reliably informed me that feminists were lesbian spinsters in the 1920s and that they're trying to make men second class citizens now. I refuse to watch the lower rated fake news media friend.
 
What's your explanation to why few women identify as feminist, despite the fact that the majority believe in equality? Why does this disparity exist?
Because the word "feminist" now carries negative baggage, when someone uses that term they open themselves up to be pre judged and many of their points aren't taken seriously. A woman or man can believe in equality of the sexes But putting a label (especially a label that regularly gets the piss taken out of it by comedians) is counter productive to the views they hope to share.
 
Religion in the Western world was destroyed in the late 2000s and early 2010s when YouTube blew up.


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I can see an increasing trend from the 80s onwards, and in the graphs that cross 2010 (youtube), the trend holds, but it doesn't accelerate like would be expected from your theory.
 
People tend to judge other people by their actions, not by their words.

Eg. feminists can claim to be all about equality, but if their actions suggest otherwise, people won't support them.

What feminist actions are you referring to? Feminist is a view point. A basic ethical position. If a feminists actions are not about equality of the sexes then by definition that is not a feminist position.

I'll reiterate, and by the way as an aside I am absolutely judging you by your words, feminism literally means belief in sexual equality. I assume there's something about that you don't like?

Also as a further aside, that wasn't an example to support your point after your eg, it was just rephrasing your first sentence.

I'd love to know what precisely the creators of that poll you cited meant be having a category regarding identifying as feminist and another category which was literally a definition of feminism.

I'd argue that phrases can become loaded with meaning and that lots of women might not describe themselves as feminist as it is somehow seen as a militant position. I'd argue that is at least partly due to people like yourself demonising a frankly inoffensive term and entirely reasonable view point. I can't understand how any person cannot be feminist. Who thinks sexual equality is bad?
 
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US, overall:
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I can see an increasing trend from the 80s onwards, and in the graphs that cross 2010 (youtube), the trend holds, but it doesn't accelerate like would be expected from your theory.

And isn't replicated globally, where Youtube exists, suggesting other factors are behind the growth of atheism in the West.
 
What feminist actions are you referring to?
A movement is defined by its people.

I'd argue that phrases can become loaded with meaning and that lots of women might not describe themselves as feminist as it is somehow seen as a militant position. I'd argue that is at least partly due to people like yourself demonising a frankly inoffensive term and entirely reasonable view point.
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Feminism is covered overwhelmingly in a positive light, and people still don't buy it.
 
Because the word "feminist" now carries negative baggage, when someone uses that term they open themselves up to be pre judged and many of their points aren't taken seriously. A woman or man can believe in equality of the sexes But putting a label (especially a label that regularly gets the piss taken out of it by comedians) is counter productive to the views they hope to share.
It always has, wee babies like you probably don't even remember the disgusting vandalism of our great social institutions from the past. These women need to be stopped before we're all in chains and our society is irreparably poisoned.
 
Because the word "feminist" now carries negative baggage, when someone uses that term they open themselves up to be pre judged and many of their points aren't taken seriously. A woman or man can believe in equality of the sexes But putting a label (especially a label that regularly gets the piss taken out of it by comedians) is counter productive to the views they hope to share.
No it isn't counter productive. It's a short cut to understanding their view point. That's what words are for.
 
Because the word "feminist" now carries negative baggage, when someone uses that term they open themselves up to be pre judged and many of their points aren't taken seriously.
Who is to blame for that?
 
I think these days most people associate the word feminist with those fuzzy legged, blue haired land whales you see moaning about mansplaining. I guess a group is usually defined by its most radical faction, and this is no different. They probably don’t want anything to do with that.
 
A movement is defined by its people.


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Feminism is covered overwhelmingly in a positive light, and people still don't buy it.
I have no idea what's funny?
Which movement? There are many different movements with feminist ideologies.
Being a feminist does not even mean you have to be politically active.
One would hope feminism is covered in an overwhelmingly positive light. Equality is a positive thing.
You don't "buy it"? Is that equality you don't buy then? Be clear on your position.
 
I think these days most people associate the word feminist with those fuzzy legged, blue haired land whales you see moaning about mansplaining. I guess a group is usually defined by its most radical faction, and this is no different. They probably don’t want anything to do with that.
Agreed and that's a bad thing when the position of equality of sexes is surely shared by most people.