They have an 8 page pull out in today's edition 'how to protect your cash from Jeremy Corbyn'.
Might have a gander.
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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They have an 8 page pull out in today's edition 'how to protect your cash from Jeremy Corbyn'.
Might have a gander.
I wouldn't bother. They will take 7.99 pages slagging him off and maybe one paragraph on the money bit.
There are much better places to find out about protecting your money.
Totally crap journalism.
I wasn't being serious Buster.
You never know on this forum my friend.
Both parties clearly have issues but I barely hear anything about Tory Islamophobia.
Most muslims are brown so no one cares.
Nah. He's student politics wrong. I grew up in an army family. Seen it from the inside.
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Conservatives - Jeremy Corbyn is Che and Lenin combined, his momentum thugs will put us all in gulags on the isle of wight.
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'Red Jezza talks dirty with foreign radical'
He reminds me of Weaste! Who'd have guessed!!
Is there something about being a Marxist and anti Semite that leads to a disinclination towards horticulture and a bucolic lifestyle?
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The problem with articles like that one in the Sunday Times is I am not sure how much traction they can really gain at this point in terms of changing public opinion.
The papers have filled up column inches demonising the guy for a few years now. Whilst some of what they write may have an element of truth to it... a lot of it is partisan rubbish. The 8 page pullout of 'how to protect your money from Corbyn' being a prime example.
I think readers just get fatigue with it. People who dislike him will be outraged by the latest story and people who support him will just ignore it and shrug it off as more of the same. The media have become their own worst enemy in this battle.... it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. People who support him just won't take any article like this seriously because the sources have shown their hand and it's clear they have no neutrality whatsoever. I imagine there are a lot of news editors feeling a bit perplexed as to why their negative stories are just not very impactful.
Now we have a situation where people moan about how "he can do no wrong" to some people. It's perhaps a natural equal and opposite reaction to the many people who believe he can do no right... which is most of our predominantly right leaning media.
The papers have filled up column inches demonising the guy for a few years now. Whilst some of what they write may have an element of truth to it... a lot of it is partisan rubbish. The 8 page pullout of 'how to protect your money from Corbyn' being a prime example.
I think readers just get fatigue with it. People who dislike him will be outraged by the latest story and people who support him will just ignore it and shrug it off as more of the same. The media have become their own worst enemy in this battle.... it's a bit like the boy who cried wolf. People who support him just won't take any article like this seriously because the sources have shown their hand and it's clear they have no neutrality whatsoever. I imagine there are a lot of news editors feeling a bit perplexed as to why their negative stories are just not very impactful.
Now we have a situation where people moan about how "he can do no wrong" to some people. It's perhaps a natural equal and opposite reaction to the many people who believe he can do no right... which is most of our predominantly right leaning media.
Because they don’t care, the same way they don’t actually care about anti-semitism but use it as a convenient stick to beat Corbyn with.
The big issue with Tory Islamophobia is that the Daily Mail and Murdoch think they're not Islamophobic enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47924025
Not entirely sure how this is a stick to beat Corbyn with this time? Surely the responsibility for this lies with Jennie Formby, the general secretary, who castigated Tom Watson for requesting he is copied into all complaints. She's clearly not doing her job properly.
Not entirely sure how this is a stick to beat Corbyn with this time? Surely the responsibility for this lies with Jennie Formby, the general secretary, who castigated Tom Watson for requesting he is copied into all complaints. She's clearly not doing her job properly.
In fairness its Burgen and he is seriously incompetent
It does not excuse it of course but I'm not sure he understands anything he says
In fairness zionism is an enemy of peace because it requires the violent displacement of people
Not true.
Zionism requires/d the displacement of people. Unless you live in a fantasy universe in which every single one of those people willingly moved/ could be paid off/have their land purchased etc, then that displacement will have to be coerced. This is done through force.
Can only assume that level of response reflects the level of thought put into it.
The argument that the Zionist project could ever have been implemented without disruption to the peace is in the same ballpark as Mogg and Boris claiming Brexit would be easy. The British very quickly realised that within a decade of announcing its intent.
I'd agree Burgen is an idiot who shouldn't discuss these matters though. We all have to pretend that party of British history doesn't exist especially politicians.
This forum would never side with zionism in the manner it happened if done now.
I support Israel’s right to exist. Do you?
Let’s not forget why Israel was felt to be necessary.
Yes, but not their current right wing government and methods which are open for criticism.
Israel's Current Right-wing government has learned a lot from the Nazis.
Not a helpful or constructive comment.
As unpalatable as it is to hear, Isreal is dabling with facism.
Firstly. I am not anti-semitic.
But I have serious problems with the current Right wing government and what it is doing. They have forgotten their own history of Jewish persecution.
By their acts they are promoting even more acts of terrorism around the globe.
Innocent people are paying the price with their lives.
It always ends well when things start out like that.
It's the sort of comment we need to be careful about making, because a lot of anti-semites will use harsh criticism of Israel to mask their own anti-semitism, but there have been plenty of instances where the Israeli government have utilised fascist rhetoric. The tweet below, for example, is like something straight out of a fascist handbook:
cannot look back.
Both Israelis and Palestinians have a right to be there now.
They need to get to a peace process. But that's not going to happen with Trump is it?
Both Israelis and Palestinians have a right to be there now.
They need to get to a peace process. But that's not going to happen with Trump is it?
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True politician of the people right there...
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tweet doesn't exist.......
Diane Abbott necking a mojito on the bus.
As it stands of course, it's original formation? Probably not, I'm not religious and so I'm not persuaded around claiming religious land. I don't think many liberals would if criticising zionism didn't have a backlash.
From the British side it was deemed neccesary due to needing a sphere of influence in the region. It was only a good bit later that it became more about fleeing the persecution across Europe and the British limited such immigration while it remained under our control. We actually turned boats back.
If there was a push now for another group of people who wanted to claim an area anywhere for themselves due to religious reasons and it required displacement of peoples there wouldn't be a single vote at the UN supporting it and no one would pretend it could be peaceful. So your question of supporting Israel's right to exist now is a completely different matter to the point i was trying to make, prehaps badly
My knowledge on the subject is limited, but according to it, it was the other way around: Religious motives only played a minor part in the formation of modern Zionism (Herzl was a decidedly secular Jew, for example), and their upsurge in mainstream politics is a later development. Afaik, modern Zionism was in essence about the political emancipation of the Jews through a national movement, which was seen as the only solution to escape the antisemitism that didn't disappear in the developing modern societies (as it was hoped for), but simply modernized along with them. Actual religious Zionism - while always having been a minority branch inside the spectrum - developed into a major political player much later, well after the foundation of Israel.
That's just based on what I came to know, and it may well be missing something. Corrections are appreciated. In general, I think this is one of the subjects on here that suffers the most from a lack of actually informed knowledge (as I said, myself included), with the gaps getting filled up in all kinds of ways.
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(For anyone wondering...https://www.timesofisrael.com/enjoy-your-bread-uk-labour-in-passover-faux-pas/)