After this post i will stop posting about star wars since its derailing the thread, but she does defeat him after she tapped into the force. He lies on the ground defeated. Even Snoke confirms in the next movie that he was bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber. Snoke is literally mocking him for it. At least both Luke and Anakin had were beaten by their rivals before they progressed and became masters. Anakin at least had years of training and luke had battle experience vs vader and was trained by obi wan and yoda.
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After this post i will stop posting about star wars since its derailing the thread, but she does defeat him after she tapped into the force. He lies on the ground defeated. Even Snoke confirms in the next movie that he was bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber. Snoke is literally mocking him for it. At least both Luke and Anakin had were beaten by their rivals before they progressed and became masters. Anakin at least had years of training and luke had battle experience vs vader and was trained by obi wan and yoda.
Or she used that Oyster Card she saved up for a few seasons ago, caught the Nothern Line there and actually jumped from the underground?
Why? Why is it so incredible that a highly trained assassin would be able to sneak past unsuspecting walkers? People seem to think this is something unfathomable.
I think that's what she did.
She’s miles onside. Wise up. Give the attacker the advantage!
On a side note the song that played whilst the Night King approached Bran was a masterpiece.
Ramin Djawadi is a genius.
Ramin Djawadi is a genius.
Modern Mary Sues for you.
Or "Sudden magic bitches" as I like to call them, because I can change things as it's 2019 and that justifies it.
That's exactly what she did.
But can she do it on a cold, snowy nig...wait...Thing is, she got caught anyway so it's not even like she was successful in sneaking up..
I agree if she just stabbed him from behind it would be pretty stupid but she didn't.
How can it be 'Deus ex Machina' though when they told us last episode this was the way it was going to go down. The only suprise in it should be that Arya was the one to do it but that was covered in the talk she had with Mel.
True but the girl got mad skills.
She's a Mary Sue, but it was in no way Deus ex Machina.
Yeah, I should really stop annoying now...
She is quite literally not.
She’s one of the most flawed people in the whole show. Emotionally underdeveloped to the point that she only lived in order to kill everyone that had ever wronged her.
As far as I recall the Godswood is within Winterfell’s grounds. It’s hardly incredible that someone with her skills could climb to the roof, which we know can be traversed, make it to the Godswood and use the wooded area as cover to reach the Weirwood Tree. As you say, her rush didn’t even go unprotected, if just got her close enough while the NK was distracted to finish the job.
Qyburn confirmed something to Cersei in season 6. They never told us what though. Maybe there is still some reserve of it
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I agree. I imagine Mary sue to be a heroine with a heart of gold. Arya feeds Walder Frey pies with the bodily remains of his family before she poisons the whole lot of them. That is psychopathic. No hero or heroine would do that.
I think they humanized her in this episode, after her training she never seemed scared of much but when facing the army of wights, we could see genuine fright in her.
She's not emotion less like raven simulator
I also initially questioned how Arya got so close to the NK without anyone noticing but at the end of the day she's a trained assassin her character was developed over all these seasons to get her to this point and that's how I see it. The other thing is, there is only so much screen time and they can't cover everything, so you just have to take it as it is and in the end she didn't actually go unnoticed she did get caught at the last hurdle. Just goes to show how much people are into the show and are willing to argue over it for pages and pages.
Seriously though, getting dicked for the first time and killing the Night King on the same night isn't half bad.
The feck? I never said anything you've quoted.
Niiiiiaaaaaaaaallllllllll. Cafs being a drunken twat again.
I think the.main reason we didnt see it was because of the surprise factor. If we had seen her running or hiding the surprise factor wouldnt be there.
Why do I have to keep explaining this.
The Wights surround the courtyard and have formed a wall. No way in from there unless you jump/push past them. We see the wall opening when the NK approaches Theon, the white walkers are behind him. The white walkers do not move past that point, they guard the only entrance (that the viewer can see) to Bran. Theon runs 50 yards with his spear to stab the NK and dies. The NK then walks the same 50 yards to Bran. The white walkers still haven't moved, they are a fairly long way off from the tree, we see their hair move and we hear a woosh noise. Directly after that we see Arya jumping horizontally (not falling but leaping) at the NK. This means the director has told the audience Arya ran past the white walkers and leapt at the NK. You don't need to analysis the scene to know this, its what the directors show us.
For Arya to be in the tree (which would have been better) she would had to have fallen down behind the NK and then done a second jump to leap at him. Surely she'd have just leapt at him and attempted an aerial take down? If she was in the tree, what made the wind blow the white walkers hair and made the woosh noise? It wouldn't have been Arya as she wasn't even close to them in your scenario.
I would have much preferred if she had been in the tree as it would make far more sense than her sprinting past the white walkers. It would have also given Theons death more meaning if he had died closer to the NK allowing Arya the chance to take him on. But the direction tells us otherwise.
Mary sue had flaws.
Ah shit, why am I continuing this? I was never being 100% serious, I just don't think we should let people dictate what those words actually mean. Because in reality, they mean feck all as even the original writer was taking the piss.
Just because things evolve to a new meaning, doesn't mean we should follow those is my point. Some people think Rey is because she has magic powers after closing their eyes, some people (as above) think she should have a heart of gold. But ultimately the point should surely be who cares about the gender, or the powers for that matter, but it should be just a believable character. Arya is believable, we've seen her story. Rey to an extent is too, maybe we should see a frightened girl vs a heavily injured foe who she doesn't die to thanks to the force. Point is I never once called either of them a Mary Sue, I was merely pointing out that people who do shouldn't call one and not the other, then had a little fun with those googling the first entry
I, for one, am glad Arya Killed the NK. Would I have had it go down differently? Yes, I'd have made him a real villain and story, but the fact she has trained all that time to jump out of nowhere and feck him up, I'm cool with. It ain't about genders, it's just about ninja.
Right! That's absolutely not on! Stop with the fecking spoilers. Shouldn't even have to say this after recent events.
I’m just messing. I love Arya being the killer. Just wish there was better build up to it and more in line with Lore etc.
Star Wars is shit - nothing to spoil with the recent Saga.
Yep, another good reason why how she got there wasn't explained in detail.
Never have I seen this Mary Sue shite being used as much as on the Caf.
Sorry I must have cut down the quote wrongly.
The movie is like 3 years old?
So the red priestess said to Arya, "brown eyes green eyes, blue eyes." Maybe she was standing there as a WW the whole time.
Have we discussed whether Arya is Mary Sue yet?
Anyone think it would be awesome if Bran had a crossbow with a dragonglass arrow hidden under a blanket on his legs. And then just as the night king reaches for his sword he shouts "Suprise motherfecker!" and shoots him in the face.
Not only that but we had the whole Chekhov's dagger scene with Bran in the season before which itself led to a red herring with the death of Littlefinger. That was after Bran had already gone alien space bats mind.
I was wondering whether the WW shifting his face might be Arya, but its more likely hes reacting to the gust of wind from Aryas movement.
No we're still on the meaning of Mary Sue.
No, we've already established it's ok to call some women Mary sue, but not others. Because, you know, 2019.
Ok, last one I promise! Hehe
He completely was reacting to the hair movement. The rest is pure fanboy speculation.
I agree you wouldn't want to see Arya close because it would spoil the shock. If they'd given her a proper entrance to run through i'd be fine with the scene but it seems illogical that she was able to run past the small gap the white walkers occupied. Again, this is an issue with the directing. If they'd simply widened the gap when the NK walked in, I wouldn't have an issue. It just felt to me like a super hero ending I guess which is why I probably hate it.
Has that been agreed on by everybody?