Yeah but that's the part I accept; it was never suggested that all WW were tied to the NK the same way though.
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Yet people make out they are the main protagonists and DnD have spoiled Martin's great big bad.
Winter has come and gone over the last however many centuries without White Walkers. The winter of Tyrion's birth lasted 9 years and there were no WW around then.
Long winters are not tied to WW.
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Yeah.
They showed us how his magic touch turns Babies into WW, but regardless of that it would've made sense to pursue that strategy in a "well, what else can we try?" way imho, given how they all expected to be overwhelmed by the dead. Wouldn't have hurt to spell that out for the viewers to some degree though, instead of allocating that time to Davos telling some girl to defend the cryps.
First of all the show is independent of the books to some degree and it definitely has build up the WW as this ultimate evil.
Secondly it's not like they aren't a big player in the books, the very first chapter is about them, they drive several characters through the story, GRRM just decided to keep them looming in the background for now.
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Yep. 100 yards away from “ending the war” you’re clearly losing - which spells the end of mankind. NK within your sights. Who in their right mind, that isn’t a coward, is not going to try and run toward/sneak up on him?
It’s one thing if I was running, screaming toward the NK, but he tried to sneak up on him, which could have ended the war. The moment was there. Can’t fault him for that, surely.
Stole this from a youtube comment:
Been watching season 1 again. Ned was really thick
He doesn't mean Hardhome. He's referring to the below scene, which happened only 4 episodes ago. A convenient weakness they wrote into the story very late on. They never established by killing the Night King it would kill all of them though, but that wasn't a huge leap to assume.
We know the Night King raised the dead of Hardhome so he'd have a lot of wights under his control (and the white walkers ultimately). But the other White Walkers would also have been controlling a portion of the wights in the army. So by killing them you'd also be removing parts of the army. It was a shame they didn't decide to have White Walkers be killed and having parts of the army drop on the floor.
A sneak attack was the only way to kill the Night King and Arya is the most qualified for that. It only makes more and more sense the more I look back on it.
Only she was flying and screaming. So much sense!
Why would the NK expose himself if he’s that vulnerable
That sounds cool. Did the jellyfish have ninja training too?
He catches her first with ease. But ignore that bit if you want.
Yeah even without the Night King killswitch going for the Walkers one by one would have been a promising route. Pretty much anything but pointlessly fighting the Wights, adding to their numbers.
If it made that much sense they might have deployed Arya by Bran's side? Instead of crippled Theon, because the character needed a heroic death?
Jon Snow has built up the WW as the ultimate evil but it was established in season 1 that Jon Snow knows nothing.
She needed him to turn around so she could plunge the dagger in the same spot he was stabbed by the dragon glass.
Me too. Far too good a man for Westeros.An honourable fool.
I loved Ned.
It was not the same spot.
She stabs him in his left side.
Also, how would she even know of this spot? She wasn't there when he was created, and Bran9000 hasn't been exactly forthcoming with wisdom.
Good god what miserable sods som of you are.
It was good fun.
It was good fun.
The writing was terrible in the early seasons.
Wasn't just Theon. It was the Ironborn and Theon who held off the wights for a while. Maybe they deemed he was well protected with a crew of men so Arya did her thing on the ramparts but then shit hit the fan inside Winterfell.
Jon's tried his big heroic charge to try and take the Night King one on one. NK wasn't having any of that.
Dany tried blasting him with dragon fire and that didn't work.
Arya has been training as an assassin for the basically the entire show. She knows Winterfell upside down and inside out. The wights and presumably White Walkers aren't psychic as we saw in the library scene, they can be sneaked past.
Makes perfect sense to me.
Just as well his armour didn't protect that exact spot. Glad the White Walker smithies are as stupid as the Night King himself.
Then I'll take his word for it... However, it creates further inconsistencies. As I said, why would Arya know of the spot, and even more importantly, it was never mentioned a special spot needed to be hit. Imagine the death star destruction in Star Wars EP IV without any talk of that exhaust opening before the final battle.
It does make me laugh that you have to watch a documentary to actually understand completely what the writers were trying to tell us during the episode.
Oh well, best to put this episode aside and now focus on the shit storm of the final 3 episodes. Till Sunday. Adios.
Oh well, best to put this episode aside and now focus on the shit storm of the final 3 episodes. Till Sunday. Adios.
This is probably the most disappointing build up to a villan ever. We didn't find out anything about the night King. We didn't find out anything about the connection with Bran
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She could circumvent them because she was not only silent, but most importantly out of sight. That works when you have bookshelves standing around to break the line of sight, but what did she hide behind in the middle of a circle of Walkers?
It's like when Jaime raped Cersei and people kept going on about how that's not what the writers intended. Its their job to create what's on the screen, if they screwed it up it's on them.
The Lord of Light was guiding her hand maybe? He has been guiding characters to protect and train her from season one by the sound of it.
He might be tender in that spot and if he wears armour there it chaffs his skin. It was convenient that that spot was unprotected.
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
They're in the middle of the God's Wood there would have been trees everywhere.
She's coming from the widest patch of open space to be found in the godswood.
See at ~0:47. A wide open space with dozens of zombies is where she started her jump attack.
I totally get why people are upset about the manner in which the NK perished but I'll reserve judgment until the season is over with. Seems to be show writers clearly want us to shift our attention elsewhere...which I hope all makes sense in the end.
Keep your logic out of this thread!
Arya is cool, Jon is not. She got the kill because it will sell T-shirts probably with the brown, blue, green eyes thing on the front.
On her way home from Bravos, she got even better tutoring from the butler in Mr. Deeds.
Oh wow! Just realised some of the annoyance is because Jon didn’t “get the kill”. That’s hilarious! Nerds and their misogyny, eh?
EDIT: I consider myself a nerd too. The old fashioned kind. Who was just intimidated by girls. Long before this whole thing of bonding online about how much they hate them.
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Not the case for me, anyways. I'm fine with Arya getting the kill, but not with anything about the execution of it.
That pretty much sums up the bad writing criticism. They just resort to big moments over the story.
Also I'm not sure why people think that just because other villains don't have a lot of back story, we can't get some in this...a tv show that has run for 8 seasons. It seems rather simplistic to compare the NK to a movie baddie.