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Some predictions:

Jon and Dany to turn against each other, ultimately killing each other and the remaining dragons while devastating King’s Landing, fulfilling Dany’s vision in the House of the Undying in season 2.

Cersei killed by Jaime.

The Iron Throne destroyed and the seven kingdoms to be ruled by some sort of consultative council of lords rather than a king/queen.
 
2cents said:
Some predictions:

Jon and Dany to turn against each other, ultimately killing each other and the remaining dragons while devastating King’s Landing, fulfilling Dany’s vision in the House of the Undying in season 2.

Cersei killed by Jaime.

The Iron Throne destroyed and the seven kingdoms to be ruled by some sort of consultative council of lords rather than a king/queen.
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That last one would just be horrible, really horrible. Do we really need a sensible political resolution to end GoT?
 
Lyricist said:
Is there a way to place bets on X will kill Y on betting sites? I have come up with a theory that is probably not shared by many, but to me is crazy enough that it might just happen. I want to back it up. :P
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Jon killing Dany?

Bronn killing Cersei? You're not going to get good odds on Jaime doing the deed. Tyrion you might.
 
This might be a big spoiler for the remaining episodes, so don't read it if you don't want to be spoiled a potential ending of GoT. I believe this might truly be the Shutter Island type heavy plot twist in this.

I think Bran, because he is the 3-eyed raven, is the Lord of Light. This is how the red woman and all the red priests always come up with quotes that someone else has said in the past. Even people not associated with the Lord of Light. Because the Lord of Light, like Bran, can see everything in past and present. Quotes like "What is it we say to the god of death? Not today!" or when the red priest from somewhere in Essos talked to Varys about what he was secretly told by that voice in the fire. How would they know these quotes? Because they were told directly by their master, the Lord of Light. This is why Bran truly is so absent emotionally, and why he indeed isn't a Stark anymore. He is much more which we can't yet understand. The night king (Lord of Night?) wants to kill Bran so badly for this reason. We got incredibly sloppy explanations from and about Bran in the last episodes because the plot twist will only be shown in what's left to come in the next 3 episodes. The war against the Night King ended so quickly because it's actually been going on the entire time in the background through the 3-eyed raven's influence. Think about Bran using his abilities during the last episode. What did he do? He must've influenced the outcome and Arya's path. The entire story of GoT was a product of the 3-eyed raven's abilities to influence events. Everything since Bran was first almost assassinated with the same dagger that later killed the Night King and perhaps even before. This is why the story ends so quickly now, despite there potentially being 2 great wars at once (against the dead and against Cersei). They could do 2-3 seasons on those wars alone. But it turns out the real focus of season 8 aren't the wars, it's the reveal of Bran's identity.

I thought that Bran might be the Lord of Light and that Varys will play a role in the reveal with what was said to him in the fire back then. I believe the voice he heard in the fire was in fact Bran/the 3-eyed raven/the Lord of Light. The red priest that confronts him about this in Essos almost reveals the name of the physical being whom he heard in the flames. Varys refers to the voice in the flames as a "sorcerer". So the Lord of Light has to be an actual person or at least has to be represented by one.

I just searched the web for other opinions by people with similar theories. Turns out there's a guy on reddit called DontMicrowaveCats who has almost exactly the same thoughts and perhaps a bit more on the matter.

Basically Bran is god and NK is the devil.
 
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MauLer has done one of his Unbridled Rage reviews of the latest GoT episode. This won't be pretty......

It begins with, "We open with them showing us that their cavalry is on the front line?! What the feck? why?! Do you know what a cavalry is for?"

 
GhastlyHun said:
It was never tied to the Walker plotline in any way, yeah random. D&D surely highfived when they remembered it was Valyrian Steel so they could nick it and pass this off as meaningful.
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Or maybe grrm meant it all along hence why a cut throat was passed a dagger of valerian steel (aside from also being a device to frame house Lannister). I just don't see all those plot points about a bloody dagger and then it still be classed as random.
 
Oldyella said:
Or maybe grrm meant it all along hence why a cut throat was passed a dagger of valerian steel (aside from also being a device to frame house Lannister). I just don't see all those plot points about a bloody dagger and then it still be classed as random.
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It had to be a valyrian steel dagger to raise suspicion. Its relevance ends when Catelyn Stark kidnaps Tyrion and sends Houses Stark and Lannister to war with each other, because Tyrion was the last known owner. All of this was planned by Littlefinger. A somehow meaningful second appearance would have been for example if Littlefinger would have been executed with it (but they didn't show it prominently in that scene and don't comment on it in the inside the episode).
Neither Littlefinger nor the dagger were ever tied to beating the White Walkers though. Benioff and Weiss simply took an item that had significance once and in doing so aimed at faking additional meaning or depth into their lackluster resolution of the Walker plotline.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
MauLer has done one of his Unbridled Rage reviews of the latest GoT episode. This won't be pretty......

It begins with, "We open with them showing us that their cavalry is on the front line?! What the feck? why?! Do you know what a cavalry is for?"

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The first 15 or so minutes is funny, then I got bored of his schtick. Still, hard to argue with the early points :lol:
 
Oldyella said:
Or maybe grrm meant it all along hence why a cut throat was passed a dagger of valerian steel (aside from also being a device to frame house Lannister). I just don't see all those plot points about a bloody dagger and then it still be classed as random.
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The Night King character doesn't even exist in the books, so I highly doubt the idea for Arya to kill him with the Valyrian dagger came from GRRM.
 
RedSky said:
I got through the video, continuity withstanding (that happens with every show) and though frustrating should be ignored, he sums up entirely how I feel.
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I honestly forgot how much dumb shit happens, the zombie wights somehow bursting through stone :lol: (I actually was discussing this with another poster on here and said there's no way the wights could break through stone tombs but nope .. of course they did).

'Is this the zombie B team?'
 


There was a foreshadowing in last weeks episode that I forgot about until watching this video. "I know death. He has many faces. I look forward to seeing this one." Right at the end of the episode she saw this face of death.
 
RedSky said:
I got through the video, continuity withstanding (that happens with every show) and though frustrating should be ignored, he sums up entirely how I feel.
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Yeah. And that very last quote from the actress playing Arya ties a nice bow around it.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I honestly forgot how much dumb shit happens, the zombie wights somehow bursting through stone :lol: (I actually was discussing this with another poster on here and said there's no way the wights could break through stone tombs but nope .. of course they did).

'Is this the zombie B team?'
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Yeah, I thought we were all joking about that. Then they went with it, yet still miraculously barely anyone dies :lol::lol:

Again I did like the episode overall, but the show is incredibly dumb now.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah, I thought we were all joking about that. Then they went with it, yet still miraculously barely anyone dies :lol::lol:

Again I did like the episode overall, but the show is incredibly dumb now.
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When he mentioned that the Night King could be killed by Valerian steel or by dagger because it's forged by dragonfire, yet, dragonfire itself couldn't kill him. :lol::lol:
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah, I thought we were all joking about that. Then they went with it, yet still miraculously barely anyone dies :lol::lol:

Again I did like the episode overall, but the show is incredibly dumb now.
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Night King gave +100 strength when he reanimated the them. Duh.

At least know the lore you dorks.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Future talk should be in spoilers. I hope you haven't spoiled the rest of the season for everyone.
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Am I let off if he's driving around in one of those wee Nissan Leafs?
 
DatIrishFella said:
Night King gave +100 strength when he reanimated the them. Duh.

At least know the lore you dorks.
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:lol:

Hoof The Ball said:
When he mentioned that the Night King could be killed by Valerian steel or by dagger because it's forged by dragonfire, yet, dragonfire itself couldn't kill him. :lol::lol:
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True! It really is all over the place now.

But still, ninjas. Can't beat a good ninja finishing move :drool:
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Jon killing Dany?

Bronn killing Cersei? You're not going to get good odds on Jaime doing the deed. Tyrion you might.
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Purely because of their troubled history, I don't think Lena Headey would let Bron kill her. At the least she would have been proper pissed off about it
 
Classical Mechanic said:
That last one would just be horrible, really horrible. Do we really need a sensible political resolution to end GoT?
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It’s been hinted at last season, and makes some sense in terms of the theme of the show and Medieval English history. All down to execution really.
 
Impulse said:
The Night King character doesn't even exist in the books, so I highly doubt the idea for Arya to kill him with the Valyrian dagger came from GRRM.
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I think D&D said in the behind the scenes video for E3 that they've known for three years that Arya would be the one to kill the Night King. Obviously this could mean that they just decided "Hey, let's set Arya up for this" hence why Arya and Bran seemed to level up between the end of Season 6 and start of 7, but maybe it may also be down to that supposed end game list they got from GRRM?
 
2cents said:
It’s been hinted at last season, and makes some sense in terms of the theme of the show and Medieval English history. All down to execution really.
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Agree. I think it might even be a dying Daenerys or Jon that floats the idea of a new political structure.
 
Impulse said:
The Night King character doesn't even exist in the books, so I highly doubt the idea for Arya to kill him with the Valyrian dagger came from GRRM.
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Possibly not. I just don't think the term random should apply to a dagger front ep 1.
 
Lyricist said:
This might be a big spoiler for the remaining episodes, so don't read it if you don't want to be spoiled a potential ending of GoT. I believe this might truly be the Shutter Island type heavy plot twist in this.

I think Bran, because he is the 3-eyed raven, is the Lord of Light. This is how the red woman and all the red priests always come up with quotes that someone else has said in the past. Even people not associated with the Lord of Light. Because the Lord of Light, like Bran, can see everything in past and present. Quotes like "What is it we say to the god of death? Not today!" or when the red priest from somewhere in Essos talked to Varys about what he was secretly told by that voice in the fire. How would they know these quotes? Because they were told directly by their master, the Lord of Light. This is why Bran truly is so absent emotionally, and why he indeed isn't a Stark anymore. He is much more which we can't yet understand. The night king (Lord of Night?) wants to kill Bran so badly for this reason. We got incredibly sloppy explanations from and about Bran in the last episodes because the plot twist will only be shown in what's left to come in the next 3 episodes. The war against the Night King ended so quickly because it's actually been going on the entire time in the background through the 3-eyed raven's influence. Think about Bran using his abilities during the last episode. What did he do? He must've influenced the outcome and Arya's path. The entire story of GoT was a product of the 3-eyed raven's abilities to influence events. Everything since Bran was first almost assassinated with the same dagger that later killed the Night King and perhaps even before. This is why the story ends so quickly now, despite there potentially being 2 great wars at once (against the dead and against Cersei). They could do 2-3 seasons on those wars alone. But it turns out the real focus of season 8 aren't the wars, it's the reveal of Bran's identity.

I thought that Bran might be the Lord of Light and that Varys will play a role in the reveal with what was said to him in the fire back then. I believe the voice he heard in the fire was in fact Bran/the 3-eyed raven/the Lord of Light. The red priest that confronts him about this in Essos almost reveals the name of the physical being whom he heard in the flames. Varys refers to the voice in the flames as a "sorcerer". So the Lord of Light has to be an actual person or at least has to be represented by one.

I just searched the web for other opinions by people with similar theories. Turns out there's a guy on reddit called DontMicrowaveCats who has almost exactly the same thoughts and perhaps a bit more on the matter.

Basically Bran is god and NK is the devil.
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Meh, that would suck. But with these two in charge, anything is possible.

And I wouldn't trust anyone with Microwave in their name...
 
Oldyella said:
Possibly not. I just don't think the term random should apply to a dagger front ep 1.
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I already answered above why its use for the final blow is indeed random. It would even have been less random to have Oathkeeper land the strike, Brienne's sword which is one of the two swords made from Ice, the ancestral sword of house Stark, the house who built the wall to keep the Walkers at bay thousands of years ago.
 
GhastlyHun said:
I already answered above why its use for the final blow is indeed random. It would even have been less random to have Oathkeeper land the strike, Brienne's sword which is one of the two swords made from Ice, the ancestral sword of house Stark, the house who built the wall to keep the Walkers at bay thousands of years ago.
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There's a lot of little things they could have done to make the episode better, and one of those was at least reference Ice was back home. I get there's a lot to think about and cram in, but a few call backs like that and some use of the WWs to fight main characters would have been a lot cheaper and better than endless shots of people miraculously surviving swarms of zombies.

Or at least have Glenn turn up to show them how it's really done.
 
Lyricist said:
This might be a big spoiler for the remaining episodes, so don't read it if you don't want to be spoiled a potential ending of GoT. I believe this might truly be the Shutter Island type heavy plot twist in this.

I think Bran, because he is the 3-eyed raven, is the Lord of Light. This is how the red woman and all the red priests always come up with quotes that someone else has said in the past. Even people not associated with the Lord of Light. Because the Lord of Light, like Bran, can see everything in past and present. Quotes like "What is it we say to the god of death? Not today!" or when the red priest from somewhere in Essos talked to Varys about what he was secretly told by that voice in the fire. How would they know these quotes? Because they were told directly by their master, the Lord of Light. This is why Bran truly is so absent emotionally, and why he indeed isn't a Stark anymore. He is much more which we can't yet understand. The night king (Lord of Night?) wants to kill Bran so badly for this reason. We got incredibly sloppy explanations from and about Bran in the last episodes because the plot twist will only be shown in what's left to come in the next 3 episodes. The war against the Night King ended so quickly because it's actually been going on the entire time in the background through the 3-eyed raven's influence. Think about Bran using his abilities during the last episode. What did he do? He must've influenced the outcome and Arya's path. The entire story of GoT was a product of the 3-eyed raven's abilities to influence events. Everything since Bran was first almost assassinated with the same dagger that later killed the Night King and perhaps even before. This is why the story ends so quickly now, despite there potentially being 2 great wars at once (against the dead and against Cersei). They could do 2-3 seasons on those wars alone. But it turns out the real focus of season 8 aren't the wars, it's the reveal of Bran's identity.

I thought that Bran might be the Lord of Light and that Varys will play a role in the reveal with what was said to him in the fire back then. I believe the voice he heard in the fire was in fact Bran/the 3-eyed raven/the Lord of Light. The red priest that confronts him about this in Essos almost reveals the name of the physical being whom he heard in the flames. Varys refers to the voice in the flames as a "sorcerer". So the Lord of Light has to be an actual person or at least has to be represented by one.

I just searched the web for other opinions by people with similar theories. Turns out there's a guy on reddit called DontMicrowaveCats who has almost exactly the same thoughts and perhaps a bit more on the matter.

Basically Bran is god and NK is the devil.
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Interesting theory. All I know is that if it ends with a basic Cersei / Daniel / Jon fight and one of them wins the crown in a straightforward way it will mean there were a lot of plot dead ends that would not reflect well on the writing.
 
GhastlyHun said:
I already answered above why its use for the final blow is indeed random. It would even have been less random to have Oathkeeper land the strike, Brienne's sword which is one of the two swords made from Ice, the ancestral sword of house Stark, the house who built the wall to keep the Walkers at bay thousands of years ago.
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Maybe, but getting that into Aryas hands would have given the game away and also been too big for the hand switch. Instead she used a dagger that had been placed with her last season. If she had used a piece of dragon glass we could class it as random, I just don't think we can call the dagger it.
 
Organic Potatoes said:
Jon killing Dany?

Bronn killing Cersei? You're not going to get good odds on Jaime doing the deed. Tyrion you might.
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Surely Tyrion is going to kill her as that's always been the prophecy throughout the series
 
Pscholes18 said:
So the North barely has any troops left....where do they get more? Dorne? The Vale?
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They might stop by Greywater Watch on their way south to ask the Reeds for troops. Howland Reed also happens to be the last living eyewitness to Jon's birth.

I also want to see Meera give Bran some stinkeye.
 
lsd said:
Surely Tyrion is going to kill her as that's always been the prophecy throughout the series
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Prophecies mean absolute shit to these writers. They'll put in whatever the feck they want without any care for what makes sense.
 
Have I missed something with the prophecy anyway? Why is it now Tyrion and not Jaime or even Sansa?

Anyway
She'll do something like set off the wildfire, Jaime will be too late this time but kill her and go up in smoke too, Dany will inherit a destroyed KL but be pregnant with Jon's Targ baby, and Jon himself will melt after remembering he's actually dead. Arya then kills Dany and reveals she'd preggers with Gendry's son who is now the rightful heir. Sansa plows the north.

Bran just disappears up his own arse.



The end.
 
Seen all this 'Not Today' business going on after the last episode. T-Shirts, memes etc.

Still doubt it'll take over the best utterance of those words though:

 
Redlambs said:
Have I missed something with the prophecy anyway? Why is it now Tyrion and not Jaime or even Sansa?
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Maggie the frog told Cersei 'the little brother' would be her end. So the most obvious candidates are Jaime and Tyrion. Next up was Tommen. By extension, anyone with an older sibling (see the Hound... or Arya, when they decide the valyrian word Maggie used may also refer to daughters).
 
GhastlyHun said:
Maggie the frog told Cersei 'the little brother' would be her end. So the most obvious candidates are Jaime and Tyrion. Next up was Tommen. By extension, anyone with an older sibling (see the Hound... or Arya, when they decide the valyrian word Maggie used may also refer to daughters).
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Not in the show she didn't.
 
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