Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Pogue Mahone said:
I do kind of wonder if there are two different cohorts of fans. People who enjoyed the moral ambiguity and people who tolerated it in the hope/expectation that it would resolved with the classical fantasy storyline of a hero(ine) defeating evil and saving the day. And it's the latter group of fans can't deal with Jon being a dopey, incompetent sap, Darys being a psychopath or Jaime turning out to be a bit of a loser. Hence we get all the moaning about "arcs" despite the writers essentially staying true to a premise that was established fairly early on. Everyone in the show is flawed and fallible.
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What? No, that's completely incorrect. It is possible not be a sappy teenager who wants a pretty story, and also be disappointed in the show - largely because may of the criticisms aren't to do with favourites not doing what we want favourites to do, but with the quality of the writing.

I've never even liked Denarys' character. So I couldn't give a toss about her being a hero/heroine. In fact I'm pretty happy from that PoV as it's set up for everyone getting together to take her down. However the way she broke bad was shombolic stuff.
 
Redlambs said:
Both those events were perfectly in keeping with the characters involved though.

Whilst I've been one on here pretty much ok with Dany's turn, it's still a different thing between her going crazy and burning down the keep with her enemies inside (causing collateral damage) and another with how she literally just flew over the streets suddenly deciding to burn the innocents.

The twist was never shocking anyway. I think that's why they decided to go down that route.
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Agreed. I felt this was a possible direction so didn't feel a genuine shock. That's also possibly because the standard of writing had the killed the weight of the characters actions as well. Ned's death was fecking horrible to watch because I genuinely gave a massive shit.

I mean, if we're citing people in the real world doing random things and going full on nuts in real life as example of this being believably portrayed, then I suppose anything goes really and nothing can be called bad writing.
 
For those people who have signed the petition or anyone feeling that disappointed with the show, there is an alternative version to the TV show - the books. Assuming GRRM finishes them (which often feels a stretch) it's the only other version we're going to get.
 
Chairman Steve said:
I refuse to watch the last episode of the fifth season ever again after D&D bastardised Stannis into the dirt in that episode and I’m surprised there wasn’t more uproar back then. Probably because Stannis didn’t have tits, dragons and fan fiction behind him, even though he’s a well written character with an interesting arc about him.

I guess the Daenerys fangirls didn’t care too much about someone who probably reminded them of their real life dads.
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Stannis was dull as feck. Bit of an imbecile as well with his deluded quest for power.
 
Stephen Dillane has said he took no personal or professional satisfaction from the show, the only thing he got was money and had to ask Davos' actor, Liam Cunningham, what was going on in scenes a lot of the time. Makes me wonder if that was one of the reasons his character was limply wrote out.

Stannis in the books is much more interesting. Still a dour cnut though.
 
Reiver said:
For those people who have signed the petition or anyone feeling that disappointed with the show, there is an alternative version to the TV show - the books. Assuming GRRM finishes them (which often feels a stretch) it's the only other version we're going to get.
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It's the same ending
 
Reiver said:
For those people who have signed the petition or anyone feeling that disappointed with the show, there is an alternative version to the TV show - the books. Assuming GRRM finishes them (which often feels a stretch) it's the only other version we're going to get.
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GRRM is not gonna finish it anytime soon. He's written himself into the corner with so many characters in so many places.
He'll need teleportation machine to get them together, like the show did in season 7. Also Dany being mad queen is likely his idea not the show runners'.
 
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Funny thing is GOT was seen as a nerd show (literally "tits and dragons") until maybe season 3 (in UK).... Not many people talked about it and if you did you were looked at like some kind of weirdo. Similar to how it was when you mentioned you read comics or played vidya games....

Now it's a world wide phenomenon and people all over the world are losing their shit over it.... In fact I wouldn't be surprised if someone lost their life over it come season finale. Obviously I hope that doesn't happen.... Unless it's comical and happens to a genuinely bad person.
 
afrocentricity said:
Funny thing is GOT was seen as a nerd show (literally "tits and dragons") until maybe season 3 (in UK).... Not many people talked about it and if you did you were looked at like some kind of weirdo. Similar to how it was when you mentioned you read comics or played vidya games....
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Most of the people at my work watched it from Season 1 and that was a construction industry firm, not exactly filled with nerds. *shrugs*
 
RedSky said:
Most of the people at my work watched it from Season 1 and that was a construction industry firm, not exactly filled with nerds. *shrugs*
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Different circles I guess but I literally had to be talked into watching it, and I like this kind of stuff. I had to convince quite a few people too and it wasn't easy.

There's loads of people that watch GoT now that would fall asleep watching any other similarly themed show that was not GoT. I can think of loads off the top of my head.
 
afrocentricity said:
Different circles I guess but I literally had to be talked into watching it, and I like this kind of stuff. I had to convince quite a few people too and it wasn't easy.

There's loads of people that watch GoT now that would fall asleep watching any other similarly themed show that was not GoT. I can think of loads off the top of my head.
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I find it much harder to pick up a show that's already several seasons long simply because I know it'll end up being a bit commitment time wise to catch up. It's why i've put off watching Sopranos for example and the shows I tend to really commit to are shows that I tend to watch from very early on.

I can't think of one fantasy genre tv show like GoT. Which ones are you thinking of?
 
RedSky said:
I find it much harder to pick up a show that's already several seasons long simply because I know it'll end up being a bit commitment time wise to catch up. It's why i've put off watching Sopranos for example and the shows I tend to really commit to are shows that I tend to watch from very early on.

I can't think of one fantasy genre tv show like GoT. Which ones are you thinking of?
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Stop whatever you're doing and start watching The Sopranos.

Now.
 
RedSky said:
I can't think of one fantasy genre tv show like GoT. Which ones are you thinking of?
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Fantasy, medieval? There's loads.... You're kinda proving my point. :lol:

Like @Rado_N days drop what you're doing and start watching Sopranos. As much as I love GoT, Sopranos is levels above it...
 
Rado_N said:
Stop whatever you're doing and start watching The Sopranos.

Now.
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I'm going to give Deadwood a watch first, it's been far too long since I watched that show and I think I never actually finished it... :nervous:

But Sopranos is like over 4,000 minutes of tv. Hence why i've put it off for so long (I don't really like the Gangster genre either, which doesn't help my motivation). I'll get around to it eventually.
 
RedSky said:
I'm going to give Deadwood a watch first, it's been far too long since I watched that show and I think I never actually finished it... :nervous:

But Sopranos is like over 4,000 minutes of tv. Hence why i've put it off for so long (I don't really like the Gangster genre either, which doesn't help my motivation). I'll get around to it eventually.
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Sky Atlantic are currently showing Deadwood from the start. They started it a few weeks ago so might still be available to download.
 
Rado_N said:
Stop whatever you're doing and start watching The Sopranos.

Now.
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Yeah, there's literally no acceptable reason not to have seen it other than "I'm dead"
 
RedSky said:
I find it much harder to pick up a show that's already several seasons long simply because I know it'll end up being a bit commitment time wise to catch up. It's why i've put off watching Sopranos for example and the shows I tend to really commit to are shows that I tend to watch from very early on.

I can't think of one fantasy genre tv show like GoT. Which ones are you thinking of?
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Not fantasy per se but:
Last kingdom.
Britannia
Vikings

They all have supernatural elements to them.
 
Fully Fledged said:
Not fantasy per se but:
Last kingdom.
Britannia
Vikings

They all have supernatural elements to them.
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Britannia is that goddamn awful Rome thing with the Governor from Walking Dead right? That was feckin awful.

Not seen Last Kingdom, thats the other GRRM thing right? Vikings I got into Season 2 and dropped it, not really sure why, I didnt like the main guy in it probably played its part. I'll get back to watching it hopefully. The soundtrack is fecking awesome though. :drool:
 
RedSky said:
Britannia is that goddamn awful Rome thing with the Governor from Walking Dead right? That was feckin awful.

Not seen Last Kingdom, thats the other GRRM thing right? Vikings I got into Season 2 and dropped it, not really sure why, I didnt like the main guy in it probably played its part. I'll get back to watching it hopefully. The soundtrack is fecking awesome though. :drool:
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Yeah Britannia isn't very good.
 
All dead Starks have died on an episode 9. Surely they have to buck the trend? Would be boring if all of them survived.
 
Redlambs said:
Both those events were perfectly in keeping with the characters involved though.

Whilst I've been one on here pretty much ok with Dany's turn, it's still a different thing between her going crazy and burning down the keep with her enemies inside (causing collateral damage) and another with how she literally just flew over the streets suddenly deciding to burn the innocents.

The twist was never shocking anyway. I think that's why they decided to go down that route.
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I'm still not sure why they had to bring in the surrender angle though. It would have made more sense if Dany had razed the City after they refused to surrender or ring the bells. What they could have shown was that she burns the army, then destroys the red keep with Cersei dying. Then when the logical thing would be to stop, she sics Drogon on the innocent people in the City in her anger, even after she has won the war. This makes her madness slightly more rational in a way.

Instead, they decided to show that she razes the City after the surrender just to drive home how evil she is, ignoring the illogicality of the situation. When everyone has surrendered and accepted her rule, what's the point of burning them to a crisp.
 
Kapardin said:
I'm still not sure why they had to bring in the surrender angle though. It would have made more sense if Dany had razed the City after they refused to surrender or ring the bells. What they could have shown was that she burns the army, then destroys the red keep with Cersei dying. Then when the logical thing would be to stop, she sics Drogon on the innocent people in the City in her anger, even after she has won the war. This makes her madness slightly more rational in a way.

Instead, they decided to show that she razes the City after the surrender just to drive home how evil she is, ignoring the illogicality of the situation. When everyone has surrendered and accepted her rule, what's the point of burning them to a crisp.
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Yeah, I also feel the writers could have done better with Alexander the Great pillaging, plundering and burning the city of Persepolis. I mean he was educated by Aristotle after all and they easily could have just conquered and looted as they did to other cities with their alleged honor but they murdered most all the innocent men including old ones and young, enslaved and raped most of the women and then burned the entire city to the ground. Really out of character for Alexander compared to how he was written at other points in his story arc.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
Yeah, I also feel the writers could have done better with Alexander the Great pillaging, plundering and burning the city of Persepolis. I mean he was educated by Aristotle after all and they easily could have just conquered and looted as they did to other cities with their alleged honor but they murdered most all the innocent men including old ones and young, enslaved and raped most of the women and then burned the entire city to the ground. Really out of character for Alexander compared to how he was written at other points in his story arc.
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Except Dany wasn't someone interested in pillaging and murdering like any common tyrant until the previous episode, so your sarcasm doesn't work. She wanted absolute subjugation/obedience and got it when they surrendered. Her becoming the Mad Queen was quite understandable, but there is no justification for the rushed way they went about it.
 
RedSky said:
Britannia is that goddamn awful Rome thing with the Governor from Walking Dead right? That was feckin awful.
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Did you see Rome? It's like the precursor to GoT (no supernatural). I thought it was great... Wonder if it still holds up?
 
Kapardin said:
Except Dany wasn't someone interested in pillaging and murdering like any common tyrant until the previous episode, so your sarcasm doesn't work. She wanted absolute subjugation/obedience and got it when they surrendered. Her becoming the Mad Queen was quite understandable, but there is no justification for the rushed way they went about it.
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If this is what you want, you are a common tyrant. In her case, with absolute power and whilst riding a medieval WMD. Never a great mix.
 
Ubik said:
If this is what you want, you are a common tyrant. In her case, with absolute power and whilst riding a medieval WMD. Never a great mix.
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True, she is a tyrant, but she wasn't the type who wanted her subjects dead or someone who wanted to pillage and take away their wealth. She wanted them alive, prosperous and accepting of her authority over them.

So the point was when the city surrended to her, there was no need for her to burn the people alive since she had got what she wanted.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Yeah they all absolutely love it.
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You dislike it. That doesn't mean that they do.

The actors are doing a promotional tour where they're hyping GoT up. Emilia Clarke is showing a reaction of shock and amazement to try and sell the show. The fact that you read that as negative rather than positive is silly at best. Anyone can see that.

You're letting your own prejudices influence the way you interpret things.
 
Dante said:
You dislike it. That doesn't mean that they do.

The actors are doing a promotional tour where they're hyping GoT up. Emilia Clarke is showing a reaction of shock and amazement to try and sell the show. The fact that you read that as negative rather than positive is silly at best. Anyone can see that.

You're letting your own prejudices influence the way you interpret things.
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It's obviously all speculation but I thought this was funny.

 
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