Long winded way to write something simple. He's better than Sir Alex. So much so Sir Alex wanted to see how his training sessions worked. If he's better than Sir Alex domestically then he's better than him cause Sir Alex himself wasnt a continental football specialist.
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I think they will keep the Pep mentality for a year or two after he leaves much like Bayern and Barca did but yes agreed long term you don't see any team dominate like a Pep team.
He's the best coach in football since cruyff imo. League of his own atm in this era.
Shame these feckers aren't in the CL final to beat Liverpool. Can't rely on Spurs.
Good post. I guess it depends how much you value amassing points, is it far more impressive to get the highest points tally or go unbeaten in the season ? Does Pool getting so points mean they had a better season than say team who have won the league with less points ? Whats a achievement back to back leagues smashing the points total or winning the league with Nottingham Forrest ?
If only there was somewhere to have this discussion ? Oh you don't have answers these questions.
Also we don't even have go to the top of the pile with Ferguson(I of course rank Fergie but also for he's time in Scotland), I mean -picks random great football manager- Capello won leagues in Spain and Italy(Including 4 titles in a row). I say in terms of league management Capello is just as impressive.
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But he's not better, he's better at certain situations. In no way is he better. Sir Alex could win in ways Pep never could (with an average team).
Give Pep and Sir Alex the best, they'll both win. Pep will probably win with a higher total.
Give Pep and Sir Alex anything but the best. Sir Alex will win, Pep we have no way of knowing but given his season with a good but not great City you would say he'd struggle.
They can easily buy best players in the world and the PL is really becoming like the spanish league. 2 teams are miles ahead of everyone else and just won 195 points together. Pep will undoubtedly leave a very strong foundations that next managers after him could use for years to come (if he leaves anytime soon, he looks to be happy at City, the only way I see him leaving is if he gets bored of winning).
He has 2 years left on his contract. Hopefully he'll leave after that and move to Juventus or PSG.
A City quadruple would be worse than a Liverpool CL win for me. And I'm hoping that Klopp's final curse continues and he somehow messes it up.
The thought of Pool having twice as many CL titles as us makes me ill. At least a City quad can have an asterisk beside it.
They will be better next season. Guardiola is relentless.
So if Abu Dhabi oil production if 3.5 million barrels per day as they claim, I reckon, with a $62 per barrel oil price the current squad (according to transferleague) has only cost 4.5 days worth of oil production.
Well done them.
Well done them.
The team still managed to improve greatly after his first season. Barca improved greatly after he took over with little invest. Has it dawned on you that he's too good a coach to coach an average side. There are no awards for putting together an average side and hoping to win at the highest level of the game. These clubs have huge resources.
Rather Liverpool win the CL than City win the quadruple, which will cement their place in history of English football as the greatest team ever.
Feck that, that is even worse than seeing Liverpool win the league, let alone them winning a CL trophy.
It has, I'm not criticizing him, I'm saying we will never know because he's too good to coach an average side. The jury is out. But for me Ferguson has done it with an average side so the jury is in. Pep is 100% the best at winning with a great side.
Side note: I find it funny a City fan is talking up Sir Alex in this, whilst a United fan is talking up Pep.
It's depressing watching them play. They're so much better than we are at every fact if the game. We're at least five years behind them in squad development.
Go home you’re drunk.
Sir Alex put together our teams. If we had an average side, it was because of him. Why credit someone for coaching a huge club and producing an average side? It's a pointless argument cause we're talking about the highest level of the game where clubs have huge resources. What Ranieri achieved was immense, it doesn't make him better than any elite coach.
Pep took over and average side at Barca and they became a historic side without huge investment. He's top good a coach to have talent and have his side be average.
I don't find it funny, it's actually quite sad. You guys have the best of his era while we've gone through some washed up tactical dinosaurs and a midtable manager.
Sir Alex put together our teams. If we had an average side, it was because of him. Why credit someone for coaching a huge club and producing an average side? It's a pointless argument cause we're talking about the highest level of the game where clubs have huge resources. What Ranieri achieved was immense, it doesn't make him better than any elite coach.
Pep took over and average side at Barca and they became a historic side without huge investment. He's top good a coach to have talent and have his side be average.
I don't find it funny, it's actually quite sad. You guys have the best of his era while we've gone through some washed up tactical dinosaurs and a midtable manager. Now we have a novice at the wheel.
You’re chatting shit, mate.
The absolute state of some of our supposed fans ATM.
Embarrassing.
I know people think Pep needs the best players, but I think he could elevate technically sound hard working players. There are lots of players not at top 6 sides who I think would improve if Pep was their manager, guys like Deulofeu, half of Wolves, Maddison and Leicester's fullbacks, Tielemans, Gomes and Richarlison at Everton, few of the West Ham guys (Rice moving back to CB, Felipe Anderson and Lanzini) and so on.
Just because he's too privileged to ever have to manage teams without infinite cash and talent doesn't mean he can't.
I think if you put him in charge of a midtable side and gave him 50M or so of summer transfers to work with + whatever he generated from selling decent players who can't handle his possession style (Joe Hart redux), he'd improve a team 15-20 points and have them up with us, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea into what appears to be tier 2 of the prem. They'd get tonked a few times away but unlike a Wolves side that struggles to beat bad teams, his style would still see them do most Prem teams, especially at home.
His cowardly and hypocritical stance on rights and slavery is disgusting, though.
An "average" side? Really?
Hes the only coach in world football with an unlimited budget. That helps.
Except its not unlimited is it. They've spent like 60 mill more than on us net since he took over...
He's been playing Delph and Zinchenko at LB for 2 and a half seasons.
You do realise Guardiola spent 125 millions on three fullbacks during just one summer?
How have you come to that conclusion?
Surely consistently winning with underdogs is better than winning with the very best?
Barcelona - had the best player that ever lived from the very beginning of his career.
Bayern - took over a treble winning team and made them domestic treble winners. A feat they have done before and after he’s left have won the league every season since.
City - spent more than every other club in world football under his tenure with a side already containing world class players.
I’m not saying Guardiola is not a world class manager, he clearly is but he needs very specific advantages against the opposition to be a serial winner. Ferguson won a European cup with Aberdeen and had to rebuild teams over and over again with United. Guardiola usually walks before that job is required.
And one of those full backs barely plays...your point?
It is worth noting that the last time City had spent money on a fullback was to sign Gael Clichy for £7m in July 2011. It was a position that needed drastic overhaul by the time Pep arrived, it was bizarre that we left it all that time and then had to remedy the problem in one window.
You also signed Kolarov before him. Most of the teams buy just one or two fullbacks in ten years or so. Since Evra, only fullback(on both sides) that United spend decent amount of money was Shaw. You spent 125 mil on 3 fullbacks in one transfer period, that's probably more than majority of top teams spent on their fullbacks in their history. United certainly didn't.
So what you'e saying is Pep should have used two 31+ fbs? such starnge comments in this threads.
Sagna and Kolarov were also out of contract.
Mendy barely plays and Danilo barely plays. So out of all the fbs he bought only Walker has been prominent in the league.
And yes, Pep winning the mighty EPl and having the best and 2nd best defensive record in the league with Delph and Zinchenko in the backline is an argument in his favour.
We are always complaining about young as a fb.
Congratulations to city. They may be a soulless club but they have done an incredible work for the past decade. As for Pep, well he is a top manager and the work he has put to make city so good is remarkable.
He already inherited the best squad in the Prem, THEN spent unlimited on top of that. They also got more from player sales than us.
Weird the way they’re pissing it domestically yet can’t get past other English teams in Europe.
What's sad in all this is that we supposedly have six big clubs in England. One has just won an unprecedented domestic treble, two more, Liverpool and Spurs are contesting the Champions League final, and then Arsenal and Chelsea are contesting the Europa League final.
......and then there's us.
Looking on the bright side, at least City's win means we don't have to pre-qualify for the Europa League group stages for next year.
......and then there's us.
Looking on the bright side, at least City's win means we don't have to pre-qualify for the Europa League group stages for next year.
Are you thick or what? How is that an argument in his favour? If Mendy and Danillo, who were very expensive buys, aren't playing, how is that excusing Guardiola/Coty from buying them? I seriously can't believe that is your argument.
So basically we can say that we are excused from buying Sanchez because he is barely playing.
All of this
And apart from Messi... when he took over Barca had Valdez, Pique, Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, Eto, Henry, Dani Alves (costing a fair bob), Abidal, Toure, Busquets......
And with that bunch of crap, he managed to win lots of trophies. Fair play.
How is it Unlimited when they work with a budget?
Also best squad with Kolorov and Sagna as FBs and the same squad that barely finished 4th above us due to goal difference? Best squad that had to go through cl qualifiers? How many of this 'Best' squad are regular starters now?
It's funny when sterling moved people were saying he was overrated, Stones was consistently mocked on here and the media were going on about how KdB and Silva were not CMs, Walker was being benched by Spurs and was called average on here.
But now I see Sterling was Robben, Stones was Baresi and Walker was peak Cafu.
Yes they sold players HENCE their NET spend under Pep is like 70 mill more than ours. So they clearly don't have an unlimited budget like you claim.
Are you thick or what? How is that an argument in his favour? If Mendy and Danillo, who were very expensive buys, aren't playing, how is that excusing Guardiola/Coty from buying them? I seriously can't believe that is your argument.
So basically we can say that we are excused from buying Sanchez because he is barely playing.
Why do we have to excuse a club for spending money?
They bought three fbs because they had old fbs who were out of contract. Don't get why you keep harping on about it.
Ha, BTL comments on the Guardian match report closed after an hour. 75% of comments were about City and financial doping.
Well done Rob Harris for reminding others of City paying Mancini a second salary. Everyone in the media seemed to skirt around the issue, just focusing on FFP. Who is to say they have similar arrangements now? You wonder why Real and Barca never come in for their players.
Well done Rob Harris for reminding others of City paying Mancini a second salary. Everyone in the media seemed to skirt around the issue, just focusing on FFP. Who is to say they have similar arrangements now? You wonder why Real and Barca never come in for their players.