This is true. To be honest, the thought about going that route for changing an already changed tagline like that never crossed my mind. Duly noted for next time though.
Reparations discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
You shouldn't have to tell them but the admin team are lazy as feck.
Clearly in need of more cocaine
Aye, my departure has hit them pretty hard (those towers aren't made of ivory).
Is he having a laugh?
I would absolutely feel a certain way because a) my parents weren't slaves but I'm still adversely affected by the history of slavery b) reparations aren't a cure for the rampant discrimination and the destruction of black communities and families as a result of slavery. The sins of slavery cannot be forgiven by a glorified income tax check. If black people in America think this we are doomed forever.
It's amazing that people are horrified paying out reparations but weren't fazed by the government cutting the corporate and estate taxes from the superwealthy.
I agree that it's too late to tax or blame something on people so many years removed from it, but looking from a purely practical perspective it would make a lot of people feel better about their country's history... most of the money like the basic income or other types of economic stimuli plans would simply be reinfused into the economy... whereas reducing the taxes on the rich continues to widen the the chasm of income inequality.
I agree that it's too late to tax or blame something on people so many years removed from it, but looking from a purely practical perspective it would make a lot of people feel better about their country's history... most of the money like the basic income or other types of economic stimuli plans would simply be reinfused into the economy... whereas reducing the taxes on the rich continues to widen the the chasm of income inequality.
As opposed to it was founded by a bunch of guys who resembled Mel Gibson’s character in The Patriot.
Ah yes, the radical belief that historical fact is historical fact. Unthinkable!
Personally I wouldn't feel any type of way, but okay. So what would you prefer?
You’d have to assume that the government would end up recouping much of what it paid out through sales, property, and other taxes. I think ultimately it could lead to an economic stimulus.
How Keynesian of you.
Although it doesn't really matter because in the long run we are all dead.
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I'm against any reparation that doesn't go directly towards the rebuilding of black communities. Anything else is treating the symptom and will fail.
Well hell. Keep buggering on then.
All of that would be incredible. It's as tough a sell as reperations though... If not tougher.
That guy said that like a guy in his twenties ban him
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Bill O is secretly woke confirmed.
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Even just the two would be better/easier than reparations.
Regardless, reparations won't even happen. Someone will sue, it will go to the SCOTUS, be ruled unconstitutional, and that will be the end of.
Probably a thread derail, but how much longer can US justify they can recover through taxes when debt just keeps increasing? Some wants a wall, Others want reparations, it's all spending and recovery through tax is a euphemism for let's forget and it's someone else's worry down in future.
Surely they are all straight forward things to do irrespective of reparations. Saying those are part of or effect of reparations doesn't make it palatable.
How many trillions upon trillions of unpaid taxes and hoarded money are there though? That would help pay for a lot right off the bat.
They aren't straightforward because they require government spending. Just like reparations. I'd rather my congressman argue for these things than reparations. It's a better use of time and resources and would be far beneficial than a glorified income tax check for a limited period of time. If black Americans aren't able to build and maintain infrastructure to get an education, learn trades and open businesses in their communities, the economic effects of any short term boost to income will be short-lived. This is what slavery stole, so it's very relevant to any discussion about reparations.
It’s quite literally not a euphemism. The money will end up being spent somehow and will somehow end up taxed.
Off Shore money. Yes.
Transferring money from the wealthy to ordinary people will in the long run help reduce the National debt. The economy grows when wages grow.
I always try to explain to people just how much money is kept out of circulation by people whose wealth is in the hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. It’s an uphill struggle.
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Jesus christ. Slavery never happened and white men didn't run the country for their own gain
Slavery (and, Jim Crow, because everyone seems to be missing this point regarding what happened after slavery) stole much more than that.
You vastly underestimate what a big sum of money would do for the African American population. In terms of being able to establish equity, own investments or houses. Which is why in 1865 the remedy proposed wasn't "fix the slave quarters" (which is kind of what you're proposing), it was "40 acres and a mule". Fixing the infrastructure does not address the wealth gap between white Americans and black Americans.
The MSM propaganda is effective.
and hate to say it, many people are basically stupid.
Here's the thing, mate: I'm (rightly) known in my family as someone who's very slow to catch on, somebody who's not swiftly perceptive at all - it can, literally, take me years to realise something which others view as obvious. All that is true, and the (affectionate) family criticism is completely justified. Given that, how come even I can see the lies for what they are? And if I can see it, why can't my fellow 'stupid' people do so?
Ignorance can be either innocent or deliberate. And then you have the other side of the coin which is motivated by selfishness, lack of empathy, racism, or some other shit.
Spot on.
I should not have used the word stupid.
I know decent people who always vote Republican who certainly are not stupid. But they believe that stuff said on the telly cannot be lies. Just because. they don't understand much of it is opinions'. In fact it is propaganda that even the person pushing it does not believe.
Just look at this brexit fiasco.
Its always about Corbyn this or that.
and all the while, the Tories are slitting people's throats.
the problem is there is no accountability nor are there proper journalists who push back on what is said on the media.
We aren't living in 1865 and that is a weird analogy given present day conditions. To focus, only on slavery ignores the 150+ years of racial discrimination and systematic racism that has had, IMO an equally devasting effect on black Americans (i.e. I would argue the prison industrial complex in the US is just as sinister as slavery)
You vastly underestimate how nearly impossible it is to do the bolded with out education, skills, or infrastructure.
I'm sorry but I think you're wrong on this.
- 1Education is strongly correlated with wealth
- There have been studies that have shown a link between wealth inequality and skilled labor.
- 2Infrastructure investment increases productivity which should have a positive effect on economic growth
There is lots of economic data on the above:
1Relationship between education/wealth
2Relationship between infrastructure and productivity (pg 9)
Saving behavior by age/race (pg 19 starts the graphs)
Education gap/ race
Labor force statistics by race
As an aside, since it seems like you honestly care, read this short paper:
http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/images/nbhds_exec_summary.pdf
The above is pretty sobering.
EDIT: some of my citations were incorrectly labeled
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