Has political correctness actually gone mad?

utdalltheway said:
That's my point though. It's got nothing to do with nazis, or at least shouldn't. By even bringing them up CK has let them take that flag.

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Problem is thought it does despite whether or not you think it should. I agree though it shouldn't be either but but clearly Kaepernick sees it as a fact and he comes from a different background to me on this subject so I'm trying to see his point of view. That's why I think it merits a debate here and it's not your typical standard PC gone mad.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Problem is thought it does despite whether or not you think it should. I agree though it shouldn't be either but but clearly Kaepernick sees it as a fact and he comes from a different background to me on this subject so I'm trying to see his point of view. That's why I think it merits a debate here and it's not your typical standard PC gone mad.
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Its essentially the swasitka argument. It didnt mean nazi before, and to a lot of people it still doesnt, but you see one, you think nazi. So if youve seen the betsy in you life next to a burning cross and hooded gentlemen with rather pernicious intentions, its not unreasonable to have an issue with it being celebrated.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Problem is thought it does despite whether or not you think it should. I agree though it shouldn't be either but but clearly Kaepernick sees it as a fact and he comes from a different background to me on this subject so I'm trying to see his point of view. That's why I think it merits a debate here and it's not your typical standard PC gone mad.
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For the debate: Does it have more or less connection to the Nazis than Bayer aspirin, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, etc.?
 
Carolina Red said:
For the debate: Does it have more or less connection to the Nazis than Bayer aspirin, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, etc.?
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More probably, given those are much bigger brand names so the associations have gone past the Nazis.
 
Reddy Rederson said:
I was under the impression they used both, and that was the connection?
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I think it's more about the German American Bund, although there are some unfortunate connections with America First as well.

Carolina Red said:
Dammit they did use it last year. fecking assholes.
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Oh. Well, in that case that flag is definitely lost. It's a bit like tattoos of Norse symbols in Norway. If you have one, there's a 50% chance you're a Nazi. Nazis and the far-right love playing on old symbolism.
 
utdalltheway said:
that's the spirit CR, and feck CK for giving in (even though that's not how he meant it to go).
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I mean... what ever happened to fighting against shitheads like the KKK and Nazis?

Screw then and screw how they want to steal and subvert peoples symbols. Fight back against them and keep things like the Betsy Ross flag meaning what they should mean. A symbol of the Revolution.
 
Nazis use forks and knives as well, I'm reliably informed. So if you use them you're racist.

They have also been known to eat at fast food restaurants.
 
Carolina Red said:
Up next: The Nazis and Klan pull a fast one and begin using the Nike "check" as their new symbol.
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Imagine Nike would sue the heck out of them. Maybe Betsy Ross fans should sue the American Nazi Party, though as a former slave owner, some might feel some kinship towards the Nazis.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Imagine Nike would sue the heck out of them. Maybe Betsy Ross fans should sue the American Nazi Party, though as a former slave owner, some might feel some kinship towards the Nazis.
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:lol: I didnt even know she was a slave owner. That's great. A prominent part of her wikipedia page is that she convinced George Washington (also a slave owner) to change the star from 6 points to 5.
 
Having discussions on Betsy Ross here is a distraction.
Wasn't that 13 star flag the one that was adopted as the symbol of the early US (around the time of the declaration of indepedence) ? That's the one I've seen a lot in Virginny on the 4th of July.
the Nazis should issue a new declaration but make it really similar to the original one (it's not copyrighted, right?) Then the original one would have to put away :rolleyes:
 
FlawlessThaw said:
To be honest I may have misread Ross a slave owner. Same as @utdalltheway I thought she had used slave labour to make the flag and so assumed she had. Hold my hands up to that one.
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It would definitely surprise me about Ross. I could be wrong, but I’ve never read it before, and she was a Quaker.

Mary Pickersgill, however, also made a famous flag, and was most likely a slave owner.
 
Betsy Ross was a bitchmade flagmaker and didn’t have the ability to come close to the iconic designs of top tier flag countries such as Mozambique.
 
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