Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Jippy said:
Did you think she just borrowed someone else's?
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I wasn't sure how she came about to using them. They (at the American History Museum in Wash DC) didn't go into that, iirc.
I'm sure borrowing slaves and compensating their owners wasn't unusual.

Anyway, I might have been getting confused with that other flag maker, the one mentioned above by CR, Mary Pickersgill.
It's a huge feckin flag, the one in the museum.
I'm decent but not great, at US History. Still, not too bad for an immigrant that never had no skoolin in it ;)
 
utdalltheway said:
I wasn't sure how she came about to using them. They (at the American History Museum in Wash DC) didn't go into that, iirc.
I'm sure borrowing slaves and compensating their owners wasn't unusual.

Anyway, I might have been getting confused with that other flag maker, the one mentioned above by CR, Mary Pickersgill.
It's a huge feckin flag, the one in the museum.
I'm decent but not great, at US History. Still, not too bad for an immigrant that never had no skoolin in it ;)
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How big is this flag that makes everyone still talk so much about it?
 
Carolina Red said:
It would definitely surprise me about Ross. I could be wrong, but I’ve never read it before, and she was a Quaker.

Mary Pickersgill, however, also made a famous flag, and was most likely a slave owner.
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Both your best flags went racist- the confed and that betsy are miles better than your star spangly one.
 
Jippy said:
Confederation and the Betsy one- the circle of stars is cool. Turns out that Mary Pickwotnot was a racist too.
Given everyone was racist then, shame the good flags got lumbered with the worst rep.
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Quit confusing/conflating Ross and Pickersgill. I’ve yet to see anything in the historical record that shows Ross as a slave owner.
 
Proper PC gone mad. You can now boycott Disney while wearing your non-Nike trainers.

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I also read how the actress had to be red head too. Utter non sense, this wouldn't even be news if they had hired a white blonde to play this character.
 
Personally, when they do live adaptations of cartoons, I prefer them to look like their cartoon counterparts, too.
 
Tbf wasn’t there a load of shit kicked up recently when an actress cast to play a black woman was considered to be just a little too white?

In other words, people care about this sort of thing but only when it affects their ‘team’.
 
2 man midfield said:
Tbf wasn’t there a load of shit kicked up recently when an actress cast to play a black woman was considered to be just a little too white?

In other words, people care about this sort of thing but only when it affects their ‘team’.
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A few people got upset when Zoe Saldana played Nina Simone and others got worked up over the idea that Will Smith might play Richard Williams in a movie. Both were too light apparently, but to be fair they were or are playing real people.

This latest one is just a cartoon character in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter what colour the actress is as long as she's right for the role.
 
stevoc said:
A few people got upset when Zoe Saldana played Nina Simone and others got worked up over the idea that Will Smith might play Richard Williams in a movie. Both were too light apparently, but to be fair they were or are playing real people.

This latest one is just a cartoon character in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter what colour the actress is as long as she's right for the role.
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My point exactly, who gives a shit?
 
It must be horrible for her to win that role, then have to read shit like #notmyAriel.

'Can she act?' is the only question that matters.
 
2 man midfield said:
My point exactly, who gives a shit?
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If no one gives a shit then why change it? It's pretty clear people and companies do give a shit.

My personal opinion is that companies these days, Disney included, thrive on creating controversy as a means of advertising. Giving 0 fecks, in spite of their preaching, about creating a more cohesive society but trying to profiteer from discord instead.

I'm certainly all for more racial inclusion in Hollywood. I'm all for promoting more stories and more movies written, acted and voiced by people of diverse heritage. More Mulans, more Moanas etc. Simply replacing a character in a Hans Christian Andersen story with a black sketch and voice actor is pretty half-hearted and hamfisted attempt at creating diversity. And while I don't give a feck about what Disney do with their stories, I do care about its effects on the current political climate and discourse.
 
MadMike said:
If no one gives a shit then why change it? It's pretty clear people and companies do give a shit.

My personal opinion is that companies these days, Disney included, thrive on creating controversy as a means of advertising. Giving 0 fecks, in spite of their preaching, about creating a more cohesive society but trying to profiteer from discord instead.

I'm certainly all for more racial inclusion in Hollywood. I'm all for promoting more stories and more movies written, acted and voiced by people of diverse heritage. More Mulans, more Moanas etc. Simply replacing a character in a Hans Christian Andersen story with a black sketch and voice actor is pretty half-hearted and hamfisted attempt at creating diversity. And while I don't give a feck about what Disney do with their stories, I do care about its effects on the current political climate and discourse.
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Or, hear me out here, she was just the best fit for the role. It's only ham-fisted and half-hearted if you assume she got the job just because she is black, just because Disney want to create discord, just because they want to create controversy.
 
If you're going to make The Little Mermaid again you really do need to update it quite a bit regardless. Even when I was watching it as a kid in the 90's the "men like women who don't talk" type stuff seemed weird.

It would also be bizzare for a studio remaking a film in 2019 to keep the cast of characters as overwhelmingly white as it was in originals that came from a time when minorities were clearly underrepresented. I mean it would actually take effort, excluding whole throngs of talent from your film in a pointless desire to keep an utterly irrelevant detail the same. Why on earth would anyone do that?
 
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