Dont be silly - we will be far too busy setting up soylent green factories to help boris cope with potential employment and food supply issues ...
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
The irony being that it was proposed by the conservative party itself
Correct. And that is yet another failed policy that they will be trying to conveniently forget.
Exactly what common sense would tell you, but Brexiteers, e.g. IDS, already trying to spin this as more project fear. It is amazing. Were these people always this thick, or has Brexit banished all logical thought?
Also, I don't really get the obsession with a US trade deal anyhow. Is there much that UK exports the US cannot get elsewhere more cheaply? It just seems like US hero worshiping on the Brexiteers part.
They're even speaking like Trump now with the 'sad' line.
The idiots will lap it up and believe it's the EU at fault
The idiots will lap it up and believe it's the EU at fault
The idea that brexiteers dont know what Summers said is nonsese.
They know it and it is precisely their plan. Just look at how many trips they all make to the States. They're in cahoots with American fund managers and entrepreneurs to sell the country piece by piece.
They know it and it is precisely their plan. Just look at how many trips they all make to the States. They're in cahoots with American fund managers and entrepreneurs to sell the country piece by piece.
There is a game of thrones quote about littlefinger that feels appropriate when discussion politicians;
He would burn the seven kingdoms to the ground if he could be king of the ashes.
He would burn the seven kingdoms to the ground if he could be king of the ashes.
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During the referendum campaign BoJo was telling everyone how they’d negotiate a fantastic deal of with the EU, now BoJo is blaming the EU for not wanting to negotiate. People who support BoJo are idiots.
This is what I've been asking myself, too. I mean, is there anything other than dodgy finance products(of which the US isn't exactly in short supply of) worth mentioning?
That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
) worth mentioning?That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
Can we sell them the royal family?This is what I've been asking myself, too. I mean, is there anything other than dodgy finance products(of which the US isn't exactly in short supply of
That trade deal has got to be one the most one sided agreements ever.
Does Farage actually want the UK to leave? His entire political career (which he monetizes heavily off) is based around his endless campaign to leave the EU. If we actually do that, he's likely to be immediately marginalized, just like he was straight after the referendum. It's only been the threat of us not leaving thats put him back in the spotlight.
Whereas if the UK stayed at the last moment, suddenly 'Nige' is back at the head of a national campaign movement and the darling of gammons everywhere.
Arent they planning on a free trade agreement with the EU after they leave and wont the same hurdles like Backstop need to be addressed? They threaten with a no-deal then proceed to leave.
What's the leverage after they leave? UK threatens to re-join the EU?
What's the leverage after they leave? UK threatens to re-join the EU?
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Send him to the usa on a fat paycheck to
EU said free trade deal based on aligned regulations... So scrap that as being achievable... Tit for tat taffifs incoming I think after a hard brexit and a very long fractious trade talks process (decade at a guess)
Have to admit, the mere thought is kinda scary...
Don’t think this is directly related to Brexit (there are non-EU members which are part of the scheme), but it certainly seems to be in the same spirit:
yup - but if we scream about how good a fecking he gives us we might get a reach-roundTrump to the rescue.
Make Britain Great Again and all that
Trump's bitch
I'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
This gov't just seems supremely arrogant, not that different from an old fashioned dictatorship. There is obviously a flow in the act, which makes this feasible, but you would imagine, for once, the Queen has to step in.I'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
Gut feel they call an election before a vote of no confidenceI'm a bit concerned by Cummings words this morning. I'd thought the Tory rebels would work with Labour to oust Boris and that would be that but it sounds like they're actively planning on him losing a VONC as part of a GE strategy.
We could be going into an election in a few months time with a prime minister voted out who refuses to leave. I'm not even sure the Tories have the numbers to do a leadership challenge either so the queen would then have to decide whether to appoint a unity government that has the confidence of the house or proceed as the PM requests to a GE. Usual protocol would be the former but will she go against the PM
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The fecking state of Bojo's Tory govt. Whoever buys into this nonsense is an ideological fool who's parted with reality long time ago.
The fecking state of Bojo's Tory govt. Whoever buys into this nonsense is an ideological fool who's parted with reality long time ago.
Where have we seen this shit show before? Oh, across the pond..
I very much doubt either side would want the Queen involved, neither would she wished to be involved. The UK has no written constitution to go by, only precedent and the last time a monarch intervened with Parliament a Civil War broke out.
If Boris tried to prorogue Parliament he would have to explain to HM its because they (the house) wouldn't pass his plan for no deal, but which is something that would happen by default anyway . If Parliament tried to remove the PM on a vote of no confidence and he wouldn't leave, they would still have to persuade HM to remove him by decree and she would have to set a precedent by removing a PM who would claim that on the basis of the 2016 Ref, he was simply "carrying out the will of the People"...tough call for HM!
No matter how she personally felt, her advisers would stop the removal of Johnson.
But if backbenchers managed to form, say, a national unity gov't within the two weeks after the vonc, then HM has to decide to either sack Boris and appoint a new PM; or refuse to appoint the newly elected leader of the national unity gov't as PM whilst allowing Boris to continue despite having lost a vonc. So it will be unavoidable for HM; either choice forces her to meddle in politics.
Edit: I think it would be ridiculous, if not inconcievable, for Boris to hang on if backbenchers could form an alternative gov't once he had lost a vonc. What are the future prospects of a PM who basically squats to hang on to power? So I think he would probably walk in that scenario.
He might hang on, though, if there is no alternative gov't formed after losing the vonc.
Or, he might even survive the vonc.
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That's not how this country works.
The Queen can't "step in", she has to do what's she's told.
Can you imagine what would happen if The Queen did "step in"? There would be anarchy.
The path of most interference would actually be refusing to accept a unity government that has been deemed to have the confidence of the house. That would be a massive political interference.
See my edit. The Queen, technically, appoints/sacks the PM. 'Stepping in', here, would have to happen one way or the other.
Technically yes, but in practice, she does what she is told.
If she decided to sack the PM, can you even imagine the constitutional crisis that would ensue, and rightly so? Anarchy!
I think if backbenchers form a unity gov't and Boris basically says, 'Too bad. I stay.', then we are already in constitutional crisis, anyway.
The parliamentary act should have been more explicit regarding the position of a PM who has lost a vonc, i.e. automatically sacked.
It would be awesome if the queen steps in and sacks Johnson. Her popularity among millennials would surge.
Preferably by removing one of her silk gloves and slapping him across the face with it. Then dropping a mic, putting two fingers up and walking off into the sunset.
Although you need to stop using the term Millennials to reference young people Jips. Millenials are middle aged now. You sound as out-of-date as Mogg.
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Was thinking more with the ceremonial sword.
I'm only five years off millennials I guess, so yeah the upper echelons are borderline old gits.
I was interested in Lord Digby Jones comments this morning.
Clearly he is a big advocate of leaving the EU but he seems to have fallen into the trap of blaming the EU for refusing to reopen the WA negotiations.
He believes that German car manufacturers should lobby the EU to prevent a no deal exit.
I can understand that the UK is a major importer of German cars.
But this whole episode has gone way beyond logic.
It is now all about principles and dare I say dogma.
There will be no winners out of this. Only losers. And I am pretty sure that it will be the UK who will come out of this significantly worse off.
Clearly he is a big advocate of leaving the EU but he seems to have fallen into the trap of blaming the EU for refusing to reopen the WA negotiations.
He believes that German car manufacturers should lobby the EU to prevent a no deal exit.
I can understand that the UK is a major importer of German cars.
But this whole episode has gone way beyond logic.
It is now all about principles and dare I say dogma.
There will be no winners out of this. Only losers. And I am pretty sure that it will be the UK who will come out of this significantly worse off.