Very hard to judge Chelsea since the standard has been set that we ignore their bad patches and focus on when they play well amd what could have been
2019/20 Rivals - Chelsea
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
This!
Never seen so much praise for a manager getting his team to play good football after a 4-0 defeat in my life. If you lose by that scoreline you've played completely fecking ineffective football.
Outplayed at home for over a half by Leicester too. Any team plays good football in stages, they have some good footballers at the club.
Ignore their bad patches? What posts have you been reading!
I think United fans started this trend with all those "dominant" Old Trafford draws in 16/17.
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When you are in transition and starting a new process then it becomes almost as much looking for the signs going forward as it does results in the initial period. In Poch's first season i recall you lot being relatively content with the performance of your team at Stamford Bridge despite losing 3-0. Klopp's first season another, despite statistically it being Pool's worst season for half a century fans were quite upbeat.This!
Never seen so much praise for a manager getting his team to play good football after a 4-0 defeat in my life. If you lose by that scoreline you've played completely fecking ineffective football.
Outplayed at home for over a half by Leicester too. Any team plays good football in stages, they have some good footballers at the club.
Norwich up next which you'd expect them to beat.
Pukki is on fire!
This!
Never seen so much praise for a manager getting his team to play good football after a 4-0 defeat in my life. If you lose by that scoreline you've played completely fecking ineffective football.
Outplayed at home for over a half by Leicester too. Any team plays good football in stages, they have some good footballers at the club.
I think some Chelsea fans are relying on that 4-0 not being a true representation of how the game went.
I presume they at least accept they comfortably were second best though, but this is football where black can be argued white.
Its a loss if Lamps shows up with a 4-2-3-1 formation
It looked more like a 433 today with Mason playing more LCM instead of CAM for the most part.
It's rather strange but I expected Chelsea to be much worse going forward and much better defensively. Most new managers take time to get their teams playing good attacking football but I am not sure what to make of a manager whose team is playing well attacking wise but is crazy open in midfield & defence. Reminds me a lot of Roberto Martinez
I don't remember being happy with that game at all. And full stop I'm not happy with the side if we lose 3 or 4 nil.
I'm for giving managers patience to show what they can do, but I'm not seeing anything special about this Chelsea team's football. I thought you were impressive against Liverpool but other than stages vs Leicester/United I thought you were pretty dire in both games.
Maybe not you specifically but i saw a lot of "we were all over you until Drogba scored" on other forums.
As for today i thought the first 25 minutes were the best we played for a while (should have been 4/5 up) and the rest of the half was solid if not spectacular (Leicester didn't have a single chance of note). The second half was absolutely horrific though i'll give you that.
I'm all for taking banter on the chin but i find it quite tough to accept how the media/oppo fans have gone after our two young players after slating us for years for not giving young players chances.
Fortunately Mount done enough vs Liverpool and Leicester to get them off his back but Tammy hasn't been so lucky.
Fortunately Mount done enough vs Liverpool and Leicester to get them off his back but Tammy hasn't been so lucky.
More of a dig towards our fan base from last week tbh.
Our goals doesn't count because you had the best of the first half, we were lucky you played Abrahams or else you would have finished every chance known to man
We have forgotten how to enjoy football!
Our fans will lambast our own youth players after crying for them to play for 2 months.
Chelsea reminds me so much of our last season under Jose. We would start the game brilliantly and then blow our load by second half and fall on our knees. Post match I used to wonder about the 15min we were brilliant and wonder how the game would have ended if we carried the similar performance and energy levels for 90 mins. That kind of performance never came.
That’s what you get for playing youth over proven winners. Lampard is a joke. You can tell he has 3 games experience at the highest level
Does that mean you also disagree with OGS playing Rashford and McTominay over proven winners Mata and Matic"?
Who are the proven winners he isn't playing?
Maybe he means Alonso? Can't think of anyone who remotely fits as a "proven winner" that didn't start today.
I personally think Emerson and Mount have been two of our best players so far.
Some of the football they have played has been top notch. I'm pretty sure they will turn it around after a run of easy games. They need a top CF and they are a solid side.
Agreed. If Emerson starts delivering end product consistently I think you might have a gem.
They play for half a game. That’s not how you win.
You being serious??
Honesty think the smaller sides will cause them bigger problems. They seem to be bullied easy when their tempo drops and physicality is all those teams have.
Maybe Willian?
But he came on today and was absolutely rotten which totally disproves his argument.
Emerson and Mount have been good yeah, I don't think Abraham is good enough but I think Mount looks very promising.
I'm going by LVGway's logic, he seems adamant Lampard is an idiot for picking youngsters over "proven winners" so I'm curious as to whether he will hold Ole on the same standards or change the goalposts.
Would not be surprised at all if Norwich mostly outplay them next week. Pukki is better than anything they have up top as well!
I disagree, i think we will drop very few points against bottom 11 sides, it's the top 9 that will cause us issues in head to heads.
Pukki will teach your pitiful forwards what finishing is next week.
Lampard has been very naive in these three matches. Surely when you are on the cosh, you have to slow down the game by just passing it around or something and allow your team to settle and take a breather. All these three games, even when they are struggling in the game, they just try to directly go for the attack and lose the ball with no chance for their team to settle. And many of those, they have been so easily cut open with a counter.
And also it seems Lampard is making similar sort of mistake that Sarri made with not playing Kante as that anchor in the midfield. Its almost as if Lampard and previously Sarri were trying to prove Kante can do more than just defend and play the DM role. We all know he can do that, but he's best when he is mopping up when he's in front of the defense. Today Kante was all over the park in attacking positions whereas Jorginho was the holding midfielder. I don't think Jorginho has the energy to do that role esp when they are under pressure. They would surely benefit more with Kante playing behind Jorginho instead of ahead of him.
And also it seems Lampard is making similar sort of mistake that Sarri made with not playing Kante as that anchor in the midfield. Its almost as if Lampard and previously Sarri were trying to prove Kante can do more than just defend and play the DM role. We all know he can do that, but he's best when he is mopping up when he's in front of the defense. Today Kante was all over the park in attacking positions whereas Jorginho was the holding midfielder. I don't think Jorginho has the energy to do that role esp when they are under pressure. They would surely benefit more with Kante playing behind Jorginho instead of ahead of him.
It is a dumb argument considering we're screaming out for Tuanzebe, Greenwood, Gomes and Chong to get more game time but when our "proven winners" are Matic, Mata, Jones, Young and Smalling it's not surprising really.
I guess it all depends on the quality of the young'uns being drafted in.
The myth of Kante playing the holding role should be dead by now.
Now i'm more confident, usually when Spurs fans predict doom on us the total opposite happens.
Kante's only played as a sitter 6 times for us and it went so well Conte overhauled the entire system.
Chelsea were great for 5-10 mins. Even after that for the first half.
Then Leicester were much the better team second half playing great football carving Chelsea open.
Not sure why Chelsea seem to get a free pass from the media with losses & poor displays. Their 4-0 loss against us was a great triumph for good old Lamps
Then Leicester were much the better team second half playing great football carving Chelsea open.
Not sure why Chelsea seem to get a free pass from the media with losses & poor displays. Their 4-0 loss against us was a great triumph for good old Lamps
Of course, he has never been the traditional Makelele DM type. But he has to be the one behind the ball when Chelsea lose the ball and teams are countering instead of just Jorginho.