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Do you think there will be a Deal or No Deal?

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711 said:
Thanks sam. If that's tried I can see a hundred or so Tory MPs all demanding to stand and speak for 15 minutes each, and at every stage too. I don't know if it's possible to stop that happening, or how stopping members speaking would fit in with parliamentary control if it were. All pretty irrelevant I expect, just part of a build-up to a vote of no confidence.
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It's quite common for the speaker to set time limits in debates. We've already had that quite a few times during key Brexit dates and they just end up sitting and debating late.
 
711 said:
Thanks sam. If that's tried I can see a hundred or so Tory MPs all demanding to stand and speak for 15 minutes each, and at every stage too. I don't know if it's possible to stop that happening, or how stopping members speaking would fit in with parliamentary control if it were. All pretty irrelevant I expect, just part of a build-up to a vote of no confidence.
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Yeah, Filibuster in House of Lords also very possible.

Gonna be fascinating to the the tactics and strategies from both sides.

Am sure they are all reading ‘The Art of War’ as we speak!
 
Smores said:
It's quite common for the speaker to set time limits in debates. We've already had that quite a few times during key Brexit dates and they just end up sitting and debating late.
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Thanks. I've heard of guillotines too but I can't remember under what circumstances I must admit. I wonder who has the authority to set time limits on debates, the speaker or the government?
 
711 said:
Thanks. I've heard of guillotines too but I can't remember under what circumstances I must admit. I wonder who has the authority to set time limits on debates, the speaker or the government?
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I believe it's solely the speaker but I'm not sure if those whose legislation is being discussed need to approve or not.

Of course the government set the day's overall timetable so they can try and restrict debate, i think Leadsom did just this. Private members bills tend to get sort of fillibustered because they don't get much time for debate and Tories often speak and raise long interventions, shouldn't be an issue for dedicated days though.
 
What are people's views on opposition party's forming a Government of National Unity (GNU) to overthrow the current elected party and it's leader(s)?
 
Smores said:
I believe it's solely the speaker but I'm not sure if those whose legislation is being discussed need to approve or not.

Of course the government set the day's overall timetable so they can try and restrict debate, i think Leadsom did just this. Private members bills tend to get sort of fillibustered because they don't get much time for debate and Tories often speak and raise long interventions, shouldn't be an issue for dedicated days though.
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You can bet both the government and it's opponents will be trying every trick in the book on this one.
 
WensleyMU said:
What are people's views on opposition party's forming a Government of National Unity (GNU) to overthrow the current elected party and it's leader(s)?
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It's not the opposition overthrowing the government, that can't happen unless the DUP decide to turn. We also don't elect a party.
 
So what happens if the EU do offer an extension? Apparently Gordon Brown thinks it's a possbility.

Surely parliament would pass this if they get a chance.
 
Smores said:
It's not the opposition overthrowing the government, that can't happen unless the DUP decide to turn. We also don't elect a party.
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They seem to think it's possible, at least a number have spoken about backing he or she as a temporary PM in a GNU.
 
WensleyMU said:
They seem to think it's possible, at least a number have spoken about backing he or she as a temporary PM in a GNU.
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It's Tory MPs overthrowing their own government. Only a governments own MPs can kick it out.
 
WensleyMU said:
What are people's views on opposition party's forming a Government of National Unity (GNU) to overthrow the current elected party and it's leader(s)?
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What do we think about a majority government superseding a minority government? I don’t have a problem with it.
 
Pexbo said:
What do we think about a majority government superseding a minority government? I don’t have a problem with it.
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I don't think there is anybody who would currently be able to command the confidence of the house
Corbyn would whip labour MPs to vote down anybody but him
And Corbyn is an incompetent fektard and has such has no chance of commanding a majority
General election seems only way to break deadlock
 
sun_tzu said:
I don't think there is anybody who would currently be able to command the confidence of the house
Corbyn would whip labour MPs to vote down anybody but him
And Corbyn is an incompetent fektard and has such has no chance of commanding a majority
General election seems only way to break deadlock
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Ooooh an anti-Corbyn post from @sun_tzu what a novelty!
 
Pexbo said:
What do we think about a majority government superseding a minority government? I don’t have a problem with it.
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Nor would I but I also don't see how it's possible right now, at least in terms of a GNU coming together.

It would be chaos as well because whole they might kind of agree on a single issue, and even then, it's a very weak agreement, they disagree on just about everything else, including who should be leader.

And in the event of a GE, Boris is currently polling far ahead of everyone else, and that's the most recent polls done after the announcement to suspend parliament.
 
Let's also factor in a gnu probably has to be in place a minimum of 6 months to organise a referendum... And 6 months is a long time in politics... There will be world events etc that simply have to be reacted to and I simply can't see them agreeing on anything (other than delaying brexit) to be able to manage that
 
sun_tzu said:
Let's also factor in a gnu probably has to be in place a minimum of 6 months to organise a referendum... And 6 months is a long time in politics... There will be world events etc that simply have to be reacted to and I simply can't see them agreeing on anything (other than delaying brexit) to be able to manage that
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There's also the issue of every other thing that isn't Brexit, the stuff they disagree on massively.

It would be chaos for certain. Nothing at all would be achieved beyond maybe hampering Brexit.

And that's assuming they achieve their one single aim, which certainly isn't a given.
 
sun_tzu said:
Let's also factor in a gnu probably has to be in place a minimum of 6 months to organise a referendum... And 6 months is a long time in politics... There will be world events etc that simply have to be reacted to and I simply can't see them agreeing on anything (other than delaying brexit) to be able to manage that
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Which is why a GE has to come first but I'm sure it was you who argued the opposite with me (could be wrong).
 
It seems like a move to please Trump.
 
Smores said:
Which is why a GE has to come first but I'm sure it was you who argued the opposite with me (could be wrong).
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It's a condition of the libs greens and I think plaid
SNP are flexible
Labour say ge has to be before referendum (well corybn etc many labour MPs want a referendum before as well)

Probably easier to get one party to change policy than three I'd guess

It's all irelvant if they can't find somebody who can carry a majority though and at the moment (unless Corbyn will back a ken Clarke type person) that looks very unlikely
 
Flying high said:
So what happens if the EU do offer an extension? Apparently Gordon Brown thinks it's a possbility.

Surely parliament would pass this if they get a chance.
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Why would they offer us one? They are sick of it as much as we are.
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
election before 31st October?
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I wouldn't be shocked if Boris called an election vote to outflank any no confidence motion
Call the election for 24th October and fight it on leave / remain
I think with the prorouging basically he only has to see this week out and then any no confidence motion would take place too late for an election this side of 31st
Basically it needs to be called Tuesday or Wednesday I think
 
sun_tzu said:
I wouldn't be shocked if Boris called an election vote to outflank any no confidence motion
Call the election for 24th October and fight it on leave / remain
I think with the prorouging basically he only has to see this week out and then any no confidence motion would take place too late for an election this side of 31st
Basically it needs to be called Tuesday or Wednesday I think
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part of me thinks it will
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
part of me thinks it will
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Part of me thinks Boris will announce tomorrow that there will be a ge vote on Tuesday as the first thing
Would circumvent the no confidence motion plus basically stop any parliamentary time to force an extension
It would be straight out of the Cummings playbook
Might even skip the custom of Thursday elections and call the election on 30th ... Makes all the other parties have to say they will extend A50 within 1 day should they win
 
sun_tzu said:
Part of me thinks Boris will announce tomorrow that there will be a ge vote on Tuesday as the first thing
Would circumvent the no confidence motion plus basically stop any parliamentary time to force an extension
It would be straight out of the Cummings playbook
Might even skip the custom of Thursday elections and call the election on 30th ... Makes all the other parties have to say they will extend A50 within 1 day should they win
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Extending would require EU approval, no? Surely then it would be a case of withdrawing A50 completely?
 
esmufc07 said:
Extending would require EU approval, no? Surely then it would be a case of withdrawing A50 completely?
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Possibly... Would make labour take a firm policy stance in the election
And anybody saying anything other than revoke will have to basically get the EU onside during the campaign and be branded as colluding with the EU etc
Pure Cummings... Boil it down to the most binary choice possible ... Make it emotive...
Certainly no possibility of sitting on the fence and talking about unicorns though.
 
Eyepopper said:
Fascism, fascism, its all fascism!

Having your vote 'swayed' by how lobsters are cooked is moronic, yes.

Edit: Hitler was a vegetarian BTW.
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Building on from your point, looking at the broader implications, is anyone who votes based on reasons or values not aligned with yours also moronic?
 
sun_tzu said:
Part of me thinks Boris will announce tomorrow that there will be a ge vote on Tuesday as the first thing
Would circumvent the no confidence motion plus basically stop any parliamentary time to force an extension
It would be straight out of the Cummings playbook
Might even skip the custom of Thursday elections and call the election on 30th ... Makes all the other parties have to say they will extend A50 within 1 day should they win
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Exciting times for us all! Really is a sad state of affairs.
 
sun_tzu said:
Possibly... Would make labour take a firm policy stance in the election
And anybody saying anything other than revoke will have to basically get the EU onside during the campaign and be branded as colluding with the EU etc
Pure Cummings... Boil it down to the most binary choice possible ... Make it emotive...
Certainly no possibility of sitting on the fence and talking about unicorns though.
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Problem for Labour is that their stance seems to change every week
 
DavidDeSchmikes said:
Problem for Labour is that their stance seems to change every week
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Yup force them into a corner ... Ideally before conference where they could formulate a new policy based on members views
Call it now and make corybn etc decide
Pure Cummings and I'm not sure how labour would deal with it... But I suspect badly as the leadership seems out if touch with the membership on this issue... Plus there are already clear remain and leave options...I think they would try to fudge it again and it would cripple them in an election
 
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