I wouldn't deny all that yet, for decades, anti-European sentiment has been a feature of the Conservative Party.
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I'll be honest, i think his handling (well lack of) of the anti-semitism within his own party shows he's not even ready to tackle bigger issues. That is my bug bear with him.
Nothing new though is it?
People want someone who looks like a Prime Minister and sounds like a Prime Minister. Image is everything. Look at how Theresa May softened her appearance. Look at how Boris shaped his prior to the leadership bid. Look at how Osborne changed his image in anticipation of taking the reigns from Cameron.
In an ideal world full of principles and value, what someone looks like and sounds like in politics wouldn't come into it, but we don't live in said world - it's partly why Labour have been out of power for nine years, because the Labour membership somehow concluded that Ed Miliband could be Prime Minister and when they were emphatically proved wrong, they replaced him with Jeremy Corbyn.
I find it inconceivable that any party should elect a leader without first asking, does this man or women look and sound like a future PM? Because if the answer isn't a resounding yes, you risk hamstringing yourself from the get-go. It's a dose of populism. And you have to be prepared to take your medicine if it means getting you into power.
Now watch Corbyn and his ill-fitting brown suits prove me wrong.
It really isn't. But if people want to pretend otherwise to keep up their pretence of outrage, fine.
You're giving yourself away with a response like that; it's inches away from the thoroughly & rightly discredited 'snowflake'.
I just dont think dismissing something because it doesn't fit their view is the right way to go.
When is the ehrc due to finalise it's report?
Could it come out during an election?
I bet Corbyn would be shit hosting Have i got news for you too. What an unfit PM lolz am i rite?
He wasn't even at the Brexit rallies this weekend, no where to be seen according to the BBC and channel 4
He wasn't even at the Brexit rallies this weekend, no where to be seen according to the BBC and channel 4
It's not your opinion that's the problem.
Not sure about that
Nothing new though is it?
People want someone who looks like a Prime Minister and sounds like a Prime Minister. Image is everything. Look at how Theresa May softened her appearance. Look at how Boris shaped his prior to the leadership bid. Look at how Osborne changed his image in anticipation of taking the reigns from Cameron.
In an ideal world full of principles and value, what someone looks like and sounds like in politics wouldn't come into it, but we don't live in said world - it's partly why Labour have been out of power for nine years, because the Labour membership somehow concluded that Ed Miliband could be Prime Minister and when they were emphatically proved wrong, they replaced him with Jeremy Corbyn.
I find it inconceivable that any party should elect a leader without first asking, does this man or women look and sound like a future PM? Because if the answer isn't a resounding yes, you risk hamstringing yourself from the get-go. It's a dose of populism. And you have to be prepared to take your medicine if it means getting you into power.
Now watch Corbyn and his ill-fitting brown suits prove me wrong.
It's definitely nothing new, it's as old as democracy. It's just a little sad and a clear weak point of this political system.
And yes, while it's sad, it is what it is at the moment. So parties should take into account the image of the people they put at the helm and how they appear to the wider electorate, than just their voter base, if they want to maximise their chances of getting into power.
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Deadline to submit was at the end of July, it wouldn't surprise me that this would come out during an election.
I can understand that. But if you don't want to get involved in, and be informed about, politics then maybe you shouldn't vote? Not talking about a withdrawal of your right to vote from the government or anything. But more as an act of self-awareness that maybe you're not well placed to make a decision on something you know little about and have only a superficial interest in.
all systems go
the comments section is even by twitter standards pretty poor
this is probably the best one Ive seen
the comments section is even by twitter standards pretty poor
this is probably the best one Ive seen
I think you'll find that Caucasians are indigenous to North India, Pakistan, Afghanistan as well as the EU, so if you think that just by being Caucasian they are not racially abused here in the UK, you're wrong. Caucasian doesn't mean you're white.
Also, do you think the people who were moaning about foreign languages on trains were checking if they were Caucasian, or even brown? Just another strawman from you Wensley
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I do wonder if the PLP are planning to bring Corbyn down during the conference...
there probably wont be a conference if a ge is called
If there was a conference I suspect the main priority of members would be to sort out a more coherent brexit policy
I guess if a GE is called it will be down to the leadership rather than the members to decide the policy if there is no conference?
The capitalist media have done an absolutely excellent job of destroying Corbyn and his credibility. One of the best cases of character assassination I've ever seen in politics. It's also a sad state of affairs for the intelligence of the British electorate that Boris has any credibility as an MP, let alone PM.
what time does the commons start today? is it two or half two?
Im half expecting something along these lines
Im half expecting something along these lines
Corbyn doesn’t need much help to destroy his credibility, to be fair.
Seems like all your posts are completely disingenuous.
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Where's Prescott when you need him!
I love that video every time i see it. There's a brilliant awkwardness to it all.
Yeah .They said labour under Corbyn will be wiped out in the last election .
Sounds like that meeting with the "tory rebels" went well then.
Indeed. The question for the Labour members is where do they go from here. Do they continue to support someone who is closely aligned with their ideals but is unlikely to be elected or do they go for someone else? There must be candidates who they can espouse and that can appear more competent (ergo, harder to perform character assassination on) than Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn.
What the feck is this shite.
Reality.
At this stage, just make Danny Dyer PM. I mean it's clear things are going completely down the shitter for the UK now so you may as well have a proper laugh whilst doing it.
Afraid the man currently in post is already a bigger clown.
only if mark kermode can be leader of the opposition... now that would be a proper PMQ's
To be fair, judging by the polls, they were only 1 election out.
Putting a new leader into this Labour party might help a bit but it's lipstick on a pig, frankly. People don't seem to trust or like Labour very much and that's about policies as much as leadership.
Also this idea that it's the media's fault... it's really not. It's Labour's.
Firstly who talks about the UK or Europe like this
and then secondly as a way of saying voting to leave the EU wasn't based on racism because............ er remember this ?
Also we are leaving out xenophobia - White people can hate other white people from different countries.
Now the reasons why Britain left the EU are quite complex and aren't as simply as rich people tricking poor white northers. For example 20% of British Asians voted to leave the EU which again brings up some interesting questions. Plus other factors of why leave won - the effective of austerity, the ''failure'' of neo liberalism, empire nostalgia etc.
So to say -
is well you heard it a million times already quite disingenuous.
Only a matter of time before Brexit got it's very own version of QAnon 
I guess in your reality Aryans are only white too
Policies change with the times and with leadership. Corbyn's labour is very different from that of Tony Blair's and that's a lot of change that happened in less than a decade.
Current Labour policies are indeed not very appealing to an increasingly old and conservative electorate. But to say Corbyn has not been demonised as well is disingenuous. I don't know if it's the mainstream media or social media harnessing that has managed to inflict that damage but it's obviously there. Some of the depictions of Corbyn cant coexist with each other (both tame/meek and a British Stalin) and are not in touch with reality. But somehow they got large parts of the populace convinced.
What is your point here?