So the Tories are breaking with convention and running a Brexiter against Bercow at the next election. Bold move considering he has a 26k majority, Buckingham was only 50.7% leave, and he’s held that seat for 22 years. Really hope he runs again.
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He was talking about stepping down when this has finished around October, but god knows when that will be now. Really hope he sticks around.
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Eh?
This apparently was Theresa May leaving after the vote tonight.
Traditionally parties don’t run against the speaker in general elections.
Brexit has been a shambles, but it shouldn't be used as a form of historical revisionismAll of this is doing a great job at distracting people from his top achievements as prime minister :
That's my constituency and loads have run against Bercow without a chance of winning, indys, greens UKIP and even the master of failure Farage himself. As a long serving MP Bercow is well respected among the constituents which goes without saying for all the other long running Conservative MPs who have just had the whip withdrawn.
Its so exciting to see how Boris will feck this whole thing up
Daily Mail comment just now about Mogg made me laugh tbf.
windowbox, London, United Kingdom, about a minute ago
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/reportAbuseInComment.html?articleId=7424475&commentId=458773357
This is what happens when you have no spine
Cameron didn't need Brexit to feck over a lot of vulnerable people - he did a good job of that in his first term (which that graph illustrates).
After spending the day next to Clarke. She's not a subtle person.
This apparently was Theresa May leaving after the vote tonight.
No I understand that. I'm just questioning
a) where youve got that
b) whether you know Bercrow is/was a Tory
One assumes he was when he won his seat representing the Tory party...?
looks like someone is running through wheat tonight
This apparently was Theresa May leaving after the vote tonight.
Still voted with the people who kept stabbing her in the back despite, being originally a remainer, knowing the kind of clusterfeck this is.
She already looks like she's run through a cannabis farm
a) One of the major media outlets ran it earlier. Sorry not sure which, I’m skipping between them a lot this evening.
b) Yes obviously. An extremely popular Tory in his constituency. Parachuting in a brexiter to challenge him at a time when the Tories are engaged in civil war is a pretty questionable tactic. It wouldn’t be the first time a popular incumbent kicked the ass of someone a party tried to impose.
Well, yeah, she's petty but she's not mad enough for the drama of voting against in her successors first vote.
Yeah I've found the source.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...ntion-plan-contest-john-bercows-seat-general/
fecking ridiculous if true. Riot.
Quite funny.
Sums up tonight all round really.
Phillip Lee is going to struggle. Lib Dems are a distant third in Bracknell and it was firmly Leave territory.
Nazi Germany did actually start like this.
Makes the Lib Dems decision to accept him as an MP all that more bizarre. Just giving yourselves some bad PR for someone who's a dead man walking anyway.
I’ve been doing commentary in Oxford all night and got back to this madness!
General election then by the looks of it. Should be fun.
General election then by the looks of it. Should be fun.
Not really that bad a PR move for them I guess. If he runs, he’ll certainly improve their vote share in that seat, maybe even moving them into second place.
I’m fascinated about what will happen with the deselected ones who are running again next time though. Shame people like Letwin, Greening, Soames etc already said they won’t run.
Hopefully they tank no deal Brexit tomorrow.
Then let's work on binning this shit idea all together.
Then let's work on binning this shit idea all together.
It's not exactly a great look for them when you've got party activists expressing outrage on Twitter due to the fact this guy has an anti-LGBT past and isn't remotely liberal at all. Which should be a basic requirement for someone wanting to be a Lib Dem. It's obviously sensible for the party to hoover up defections but that shouldn't mean anyone is allowed in irrespective of their political past...otherwise they aren't really the Lib Dems but essentially a socially moderate Tory party. Which would perhaps make sense, to be fair, considering that's basically where Swinson's politics lie anyway.
Ken Clarke on Newsnight:
True, but considering wider events I can’t see it hurting them any.
On a separate note, Boris’s constituency majority isn’t very big, and polling shows it has swung from narrowly leave at the referendum to narrowly remain. Now he’s a no-deal extremist, I wonder what might happen, especially if the Lib Dems sit this one out..
a mirror of the Trump administration
It was pretty obvious that several tories would have the dignity and vision to sacrifice themselves to avoid a No-Deal Hard Brexit.
Still glorious, though.
Still glorious, though.
Name recognition should ultimately ensure he keeps the seat provided the nationwide Tory vote doesn't completely sink. Although if the election really goes against them, would then perhaps come into play.
Surely today deserves a thread title update change?!
Someone ELI5 please what all happened today in UK politics? I tried to keep up/continue to make sense of it but not knowing all the dynamics and names involved I kinda lost track of it all. Ty.
Britain is on the way to becoming the 51st state of the US
The Guardian view on Boris Johnson’s strategy: split party, divide country, win election
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ategy-split-party-divide-country-win-election
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ategy-split-party-divide-country-win-election
The Guardian view on Boris Johnson’s strategy: split party, divide country, win election
Editorial
Tue 3 Sep 2019 22.36 BST
The prime minister intuitively understands that hard-Brexit chaos will sustain his premiership. He must be stopped
The defeat of Boris Johnson’s government by the opposition and 21 of his own MPs is the first shot in a battle for the soul of the Conservative party. Six weeks after he took office, the prime minister looks certain to be forced by law to break his promise to leave the European Union by 31 October, “do or die”.
The implications for the Tory party are likely to be more significant than for Mr Johnson. The rebels will be purged from the party, by having the whip withdrawn and being prevented from standing as Tory candidates in the next election. The argument over Brexit raging in the Tory party might see the kind of split that followed Robert Peel’s 1846 repeal of the Corn Laws.
Mr Johnson acts as if he wants such a schism, to seal his hostile takeover of the Tory party. The scale and pace of his power grab might astonish outsiders, but no one within the party should be surprised. In June the votes of 92,000 Tory members elected Mr Johnson, a no-dealer, to the party leadership. A month later he made it clear that only no-dealers could sit round the cabinet table. Mr Johnson has lost his majority in parliament, but he has strengthened his hold on his party.
Now the Conservative party will be shorn of critics, allowing Mr Johnson to campaign in a forthcoming election – if he can engineer one – with a pledge to reverse any law that prevents a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. For Mr Johnson the incarnation of the Tory party under Theresa May was weak. Weak in spirit, in manner and in appearance. This would not do, he reasoned, for a country that was hurt, angry and scared. Mr Johnson’s response was to adopt the Trumpian tactic of goading opponents to energise his supporters.
The prime minister wants to whip up as much indignation among leave voters as he can. It is a ploy to exacerbate grievances so that he can fight this base’s corner in a flag-waving general election. This must happen before the consequences of a no-deal exit become obvious. To achieve this, Mr Johnson’s strategy with the European Union has been to set out conditions to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement that cannot be met. That would make a damaging no-deal Brexit inevitable.
The prime minister could then attach the blame for this outcome to his foes inside parliament and on the continent – hence his provocative and shameful descriptions of his opponents as collaborators who would “surrender” the UK’s sovereignty. This unholy mixture of political opportunism and misguided ideology has been driving Britain towards a geopolitical precipice.
If Britain leaves the EU without a deal, there will be economic chaos; those who suffer most will be the very people who voted for Brexit as an act of defiance. It is no surprise that Mr Johnson now talks about cutting the cost of living, aware no doubt that the Brexit-fuelled depreciation of the pound disproportionately affects the poor by pushing up the prices of food and fuel.
Mr Johnson’s pitch will be an update of the populism that William Hague road-tested in 2001: that the people are being betrayed by a “liberal elite” who wilfully ignore their concerns about foreigners and the threat posed by the EU, which unattended would see the UK becoming “a foreign land”.
Yet even Mr Hague did not believe that pooling sovereignty with European partners would undermine our own and remove our right to cut regulation or get the best out of trade deals with the rest of the world. Mr Hague wanted a culture war with Europe, not an economic one. Mr Johnson wants both.
This is how far the baleful virus of Europhobic populism has spread. It will keep the nation bitterly divided, even where considerable agreement once existed. Mr Johnson intuitively understands that turmoil will sustain his premiership – to the extent that there is no part of government that he will not burn down on behalf of the governed to keep himself in office. That is why he must be stopped.
Editorial
Tue 3 Sep 2019 22.36 BST
The prime minister intuitively understands that hard-Brexit chaos will sustain his premiership. He must be stopped
The defeat of Boris Johnson’s government by the opposition and 21 of his own MPs is the first shot in a battle for the soul of the Conservative party. Six weeks after he took office, the prime minister looks certain to be forced by law to break his promise to leave the European Union by 31 October, “do or die”.
The implications for the Tory party are likely to be more significant than for Mr Johnson. The rebels will be purged from the party, by having the whip withdrawn and being prevented from standing as Tory candidates in the next election. The argument over Brexit raging in the Tory party might see the kind of split that followed Robert Peel’s 1846 repeal of the Corn Laws.
Mr Johnson acts as if he wants such a schism, to seal his hostile takeover of the Tory party. The scale and pace of his power grab might astonish outsiders, but no one within the party should be surprised. In June the votes of 92,000 Tory members elected Mr Johnson, a no-dealer, to the party leadership. A month later he made it clear that only no-dealers could sit round the cabinet table. Mr Johnson has lost his majority in parliament, but he has strengthened his hold on his party.
Now the Conservative party will be shorn of critics, allowing Mr Johnson to campaign in a forthcoming election – if he can engineer one – with a pledge to reverse any law that prevents a no-deal Brexit on 31 October. For Mr Johnson the incarnation of the Tory party under Theresa May was weak. Weak in spirit, in manner and in appearance. This would not do, he reasoned, for a country that was hurt, angry and scared. Mr Johnson’s response was to adopt the Trumpian tactic of goading opponents to energise his supporters.
The prime minister wants to whip up as much indignation among leave voters as he can. It is a ploy to exacerbate grievances so that he can fight this base’s corner in a flag-waving general election. This must happen before the consequences of a no-deal exit become obvious. To achieve this, Mr Johnson’s strategy with the European Union has been to set out conditions to renegotiate the withdrawal agreement that cannot be met. That would make a damaging no-deal Brexit inevitable.
The prime minister could then attach the blame for this outcome to his foes inside parliament and on the continent – hence his provocative and shameful descriptions of his opponents as collaborators who would “surrender” the UK’s sovereignty. This unholy mixture of political opportunism and misguided ideology has been driving Britain towards a geopolitical precipice.
If Britain leaves the EU without a deal, there will be economic chaos; those who suffer most will be the very people who voted for Brexit as an act of defiance. It is no surprise that Mr Johnson now talks about cutting the cost of living, aware no doubt that the Brexit-fuelled depreciation of the pound disproportionately affects the poor by pushing up the prices of food and fuel.
Mr Johnson’s pitch will be an update of the populism that William Hague road-tested in 2001: that the people are being betrayed by a “liberal elite” who wilfully ignore their concerns about foreigners and the threat posed by the EU, which unattended would see the UK becoming “a foreign land”.
Yet even Mr Hague did not believe that pooling sovereignty with European partners would undermine our own and remove our right to cut regulation or get the best out of trade deals with the rest of the world. Mr Hague wanted a culture war with Europe, not an economic one. Mr Johnson wants both.
This is how far the baleful virus of Europhobic populism has spread. It will keep the nation bitterly divided, even where considerable agreement once existed. Mr Johnson intuitively understands that turmoil will sustain his premiership – to the extent that there is no part of government that he will not burn down on behalf of the governed to keep himself in office. That is why he must be stopped.
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So its basically Johnson doing to the Torries what Trump did to the Republicans.