The two are tight.
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The two are tight.
As 100% certain Trump is sending hourly messages and phoning once a day to tutor his young hopeful jedi.
Yeah, this is thoroughly confusing for someone acquainted with a a presidential based government.
If Labour votes against an election, and the no no-deal bill passes, then presumably BJ has to go back to EU asking for an extension? Wouldn’t that lose him many hardcore no deal BrExit voters?
A GE is certainly coming in next months, so if above is true, Corbyn should manipulate events to do most damage to BJ’s base before he agrees to it.
Keep a lame duck government in place for a little while longer, just for the lolz
A GE is certainly coming in next months, so if above is true, Corbyn should manipulate events to do most damage to BJ’s base before he agrees to it.
Keep a lame duck government in place for a little while longer, just for the lolz
I'd imagine the people working at Fox news don't share my opinions about Fox news either... That doesn't change my observations.
Don't know what you are observing then
It's the Steve Bannon play book, to get the society you want, you have to break the one you have.
It’s divide and conquer tactics, nothing new.
A lot of the reaction surprises me. This was Cummings’s plan, now they want a general election pitching Corbyn as the anti-democracy candidate. My guess is their plan is to a majority to get their own fudge through.
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Surely now with Boris' numbers down to 289 a GNU with Labour/SNP/Lib Dems and independent MPs could be formed?
Not likely as Swinson doesn't want to work with Corbyn, but at a time of national crisis....
Not likely as Swinson doesn't want to work with Corbyn, but at a time of national crisis....
Would be hilarious to see all his scheming fall apart like that.
Lest we forget!
Am I wrong to think Rees-Mogg might have seriously damaged his career doing that?
I know it seems trivial, but its the sort of thing that people lose votes over in this day and age
I know it seems trivial, but its the sort of thing that people lose votes over in this day and age
Above anything else, it looks bloody uncomfortable
That depends...
Firstly you could possibly get an election in before the date he has to go back
Secondly people are already talking that it may be totally legal for him to go and ask for the extension... And if all 27 other countries approve it he could still use the UK veto and reject his own request... That would be very popular with the gammon vote
Then sit back and watch the effects of no deal rip the tory vote to shreds for a decade or more whilst Boris bumbles around with no majority, unable to get anything done. Must be at least a somewhat attractive proposition to Corbyn. 6 months later he could call one and get a huge majority.
And who knows what has happened to his party than Ken.
Yes he is old school but nothing wrong with that. At least him and the rebels have stood up for what they believe. Well done to them all.
I am afraid that Boris has much to learn. The biggest being not to use fear and bully boy tactics and use logic and reason to win your argument.
I thought Rees-Mogg's performance yesterday was pretty brilliant when you consider the audience he was pitching to. He saved Boris really. I think they absolutely wanted every one to be retweeting that picture and the left/remain faction are falling into the trap.
Brexit is a culture war and the Tories have now fully embraced that. Rees-Mogg's intended audience will just interpret as him sticking it to parliament as they try to subvert democracy.
Bloody good job. His performance yesterday was abysmal. And that is putting it mildly.
He can't veto it. May wasn't even allowed in the room when she went back for an extension.
All of this is straight out of the Bannon playbook. Another ge when it comes will be a nasty affair. Vote leave broke laws last time and faced no consequences, imagine what they will do now.
Could easily lose his seat in the oncoming chaos. They'll be targeting it if they get any sort of loose alliance going.
Sure, all bets are off here I guess. God only knows what will happen in a GE. I think Boris's team have gone for a high risk strategy to get to either get a majority to get his own fudge through or failing that, to have a mandate for no deal. It's probably the only thing that they realistically could do given the circumstances.
Flying clothesline from the top of his chair.
Yep, agree. I'm actually slowly buying sterling today though as I think 1) they've gone too far. 2) They'll eventually get their election on 15th.
This isn't the US and FPTP isn't the electoral college. He's also kicked out some of his most recognisable lawmakers, and every day at the dispatch box or out and around more and more people can see what a bumbling fool he is. Not to mention the party itself is in flames.
So at the end of the day, it comes down to whether Corbyn and Swinson can be pragmatic enough to win. My guess is they can, maybe. Corbyn is a far better campaigner and electoral strategist than people give him credit for.
I think Corbyn's problem is that brexiteers don't trust him and neither do remainers. I think the election could come down to the swing voters that aren't swayed by the culture wars at the centre of Brexit. On the Tory side of things, Boris and JRM must have alienated, if not enraged, a fair few of them.
Brexiteers are lost now. They'll have to swing to a full on remain/peoples vote agenda. I do think that people in general don't trust Corbyn though. Can't say that I do, and I certainly don't like him.... I'd have far preferred to vote for Yvette Cooper as pm for example.
"Needs must" at the end of the day I feel will be the prevailing sentiment. And BJ has pissed off enough tories it may mean voters going for the libs/labour. Though he'll pick up some from Farage.
Starmer says Labour won't vote for a GE today
I was watching that live. Me and the missus rewound it multiple times as we were breaking ourselves laughing
Of course not. Why would they. It is all about timing.
Its all about the............. timing.
I think it's more because this has been the trap Boris's team have been laying for them. Get them to vote against no deal and call a general election which will result in an extension from the EU. Then in the GE Boris can pitch Labour as the anti-democratic party that kept us in the EU beyond the 31st October.
I think you are only viewing it through the eyes of someone vehemently opposed to what he represents. It was supposed to enrage the remain side as he was playing to the Brexiteers. He saved Boris because everyone is talking about him and not Boris's rubbish performance. His performance will have titillated the Brexiteers with the idea that he's sticking it to the anti-democratic remainer parliament.
If Parliament today votes to prevent a No-Deal Brexit, can a post-GE parliament just overturn that?
I was looking at latest polls and the Tories would be the biggest party but not nearly enough to avoid a hung parliament. Looks like Tories and Brexit Party alliance vs LibLab alliance, of which Johnson-Farage would get more votes, but possibly still needing DUP to form a government. Looks like Boris knows he can't increase the number of seats they get but can make sure only those who agree with him get into his Party, while he also directly competes with the Brexit Party rather than Labour Party by taking on a No-Deal policy. Think he just wants a more united alliance with less rebels, to be able to successfully vote through their agendas.
I was looking at latest polls and the Tories would be the biggest party but not nearly enough to avoid a hung parliament. Looks like Tories and Brexit Party alliance vs LibLab alliance, of which Johnson-Farage would get more votes, but possibly still needing DUP to form a government. Looks like Boris knows he can't increase the number of seats they get but can make sure only those who agree with him get into his Party, while he also directly competes with the Brexit Party rather than Labour Party by taking on a No-Deal policy. Think he just wants a more united alliance with less rebels, to be able to successfully vote through their agendas.
Maybe. But I really don't think that the public at large are all talking about JRM. Politics is about image. And the image of Boris floundering and bumbling is not a good one.
And despite Jeremy Corbyn performing much better yesterday, with a GE coming, by far the best option for Labour would be to replace him with a new more electable person.
And if they were to do that they would give Mr Bumble a real challenge.
Yes.
yes - no parliament can bind its successor
As for the alliences
There was a remain alliance at the last by election - but labour wouldn't join it... who knows this time - you could have a formal pact for a second referendum with SNP, Greens, Lib and Lab only putting up one candidate between them and that would be very difficult for anybody to defeat... equalli if labour didnt join but there was a conservative and brexit alliance of only putting up one candidate then the models I have seen tend to give that around a 50 majority
One things for sure is a nasty campaign no matter which parties work together
Although some seat based forecasts show a Conserv ative majority https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/homepage.html , and quite sizeable, mostly due to collapse of Labour vote I think.