No one is arguing about that. But that doesn't mean the squad and his tactics were the sole reason we plummeted in the table.
And Ole kept his job after finishing 6th. No cup, no CL qualification and on a run of something like 2 wins in 12?
Why are we dropping the standards for Ole?
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And Ole kept his job after finishing 6th. No cup, no CL qualification and on a run of something like 2 wins in 12?
Funny how Jose and Klopp spent same amount of money (Klopp even lost one of his best players) but Klopp are so close to City, whereas Jose took us close to midtable.
This is when the mental gymnastics start. It's like arguing with Russian bots.
Exactly, the reason is because his attitude was pathetic for a manager. In a squad full of cnuts, players weren't even the bigger cnuts. It's like pack of them was lead by the biggest one.
Klopp has a board that back his vision. Klopp also started almost a full season before Jose (I think it was maybe two months into a season when Rodgers was sacked and replaced).
Funny how our board was shit and still is shit. It’s not just about money is it.
We should't celebrate our team finishing in its highest position since Fergie retired?
Or winning 2 cups? The squad Jose build finished 2nd. Whether he would finish 6th, 8th, 20th we would never know since he was sacked midway through the season.
As I said the reason why we began plummeting in the table was the atmosphere and falling out with the board. Think many will agree to that.
IMO he wanted out and a big fat paycheck as soon as the transfer window closed.
On the last point - yes. If he's like Jose was last year 10-11 points off the pace naturally he should be gone.
He led them to 81 points and the board finished off the progress and destroyed it in the summer. Good day.
We should't celebrate our team finishing in its highest position since Fergie retired?
The squad Jose build finished 2nd. Whether he would finish 6th, 8th, 20th we would never know since he was sacked midway through the season.
As I said the reason why we began plummeting in the table was the atmosphere and falling out with the board. Think many will agree to that.
IMO he wanted out and a big fat paycheck as soon as the transfer window closed.
On the last point - yes. If he's like Jose was last year 10-11 points off the pace naturally he should be gone.
So did you celebrate finishing 5th under Van Gaal as it was second best finish after SAF retirement?
Amazing you post that bold part and still support the toxic man.
I would take Jose over the Glazers and Woodward every fecking week.
Yeah, it was the board. Nothing to do with him being toxic guy who fell out with everyone. 81 points, what a historic achievement that was, spending 400 million, finishing close to midtable. Stuff of legends.
Which is not true? That we were on a bad run or that we finished 6th? Or that we didn't win anything?
Would you say Jose getting CL kept him in the job when he finished 6th?
Is 5th the same like 2nd?
Funny that you came to the conclusion I still support Jose.. I don't want Jose to manage us now or being in contention of him being our next manager if that is what you are implying.
The past is the past, what i'm having problems with is the upcoming games. I can easily see the game against Leicester to be a draw and the games after that in the league could be problematic too. Leicester, West Ham away, Arse, Newcastle and Scouse. I'm only confident against Newcastle.
Where are the goals coming from? I don't think Ole is going to play more youth players. I think we'll continue dropping back in the league table. I'm not confident at all, standards have massively dropped at United, there are no two ways about it.
Where are the goals coming from? I don't think Ole is going to play more youth players. I think we'll continue dropping back in the league table. I'm not confident at all, standards have massively dropped at United, there are no two ways about it.
Dropping standards? Have some of you ever played football at all? There are two routes Man Utd can go. One. Pay over the odds for players to play for the club, how much commitment you will get out of these players is limited. They will put them self ahead of both the club and team mates. Two. Look for young hungry players looking to make a name for themselves. They are the players you can get commitment from, but it takes more time.
Threads like this is an embarrassment! If you are going to be a football fan, at least have some commitment doing some ground work. Start with googling transition and how to build a football team. To build anything would actually do. Then compare some stats and watch some games. Actually, watch them games a few times, becouse you are of limited understanding of football. This I can say with heart. The absolutely lowest standard of Man Utd is the fringe fans. They are so limited it is embarrassing.
Threads like this is an embarrassment! If you are going to be a football fan, at least have some commitment doing some ground work. Start with googling transition and how to build a football team. To build anything would actually do. Then compare some stats and watch some games. Actually, watch them games a few times, becouse you are of limited understanding of football. This I can say with heart. The absolutely lowest standard of Man Utd is the fringe fans. They are so limited it is embarrassing.
That Ole finishing 6th. It's just amazing that Jose fans still post that nonsense when the reason we finished 6th was because of Jose and how low he took us in the table. 11 points off 4th with half a season to go, with shit fitness and confidence at rock bottom. Ole was 3rd in the table since he took over, he can't change what happened before he was appointed.
5th is not same like 2nd, neither wins you the trophy but 5th was second best finish post SAF at that point. That's how silly I feel posts are when they talk about "our highest ever finish post SAF's retirement". It's not like he retired 20-30 years ago, it was just 5 years at that point. It was like celebrating being most handsome man in burnt ward.
Because I refuse to live in misery.
Ole was hired to see out the season, he did and even getting third, considering the late streak of results doesn't mean he should've got the full time job. The only reason he did - was because of Woodward's incompetency and jumping prematurely on the gun.
There's a big difference in finishing 2nd to 4th and 5th the previous seasons. There's also a big difference in winning an European trophy and not.
Yes I'd celebrate being top 4 at this point - this is how the standards have fallen.
Nothing to do with point of discussion.
If Ole keeps this bad run until the winter break , should he stay or should he go? I just want to know how our board or us fans decide when he is a failure ? ( like in any big company when a CEO has negative results in a X number of quarters , gets sacked ).
I am never excited about a top 4 finish. Do you think I cared that we finished 2nd two seasons ago? Not in the slightest. In the great words of Ricky Bobby, "if you're not first, you're last". Was I excited that we won a few trophies over the past few years? Of course I was. Did I see progress in our team? Not at all. Winning the Europa League by 1 goal margins against inferior teams wasn't all that exciting. It was expected. But what I'm seeing now is some good football that we haven't seen since the early days of Mourinho. The Mourinho that used to have us attacking until one day he decided to stop. Then we got boring and played defensive against shite teams at home in the CHampions League. But now is different. And we didn't under invest this year. What we did is we went after the right players with the right attitude. Let me guess...if you were in charge we would have just offered Dybala more money even though he didn't really want to be here and we would end up with another "DiMaria" or "Sanchez". Sorry that I'm not all doom and gloom, but for the first time in a long time I see us going in the right direction. All 3 of our signings so far look like great signings. Ole isn't just looking for super star names. He's looking for the right players at the right age and with the right attitude. You can keep your DiMarias and Sanchez's. I will take James over any of them any day of the week...
I would have liked to see a midfielder come in, but other than that, I'm not sure how much you expect to get done in one transfer window. Ole is looking for the right players, not just big names. As for the Europa win, I was happy that we did, but not happy about the way we did it. 1 goal wins over teams that were well below us in talent? Not great. With LVG I hated it. I hate a 5-3-2 formation. Too defensive and too much passing it around the back with no real penetation. I won't even get into his weird player line ups. But now, I see changes being made that are back to how we used to be. I see a glimpse of the Manchester United that I grew to love. We aren't back there yet, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel which I haven't seen in a long time...You can be doom and gloom all you want. I'm excited for what's to come...
Or maybe they know a lot more about football than you do? Recognizing what was needed to be done and how long it would take. If you ask me..
With the way the players we had bought in the summer settled in , it would be a shame if Ole does not get another summer window.
Pretending like Fergie wasn’t one too. He was ours though unlike Mourinho in the minds of many who were never gonna accept him anyways long-term.
The best players we signed post Fergie have been Pogba and Ibra - both of those can be too. Keane, Ronaldo, Rooney, Stam, Evra, Schmeichel in Fergie’s time... I could go on really.
End of the day people who are more intense and driven win at life and football to it seems. That’s just a pure fact.
I remember him trying to drag us down to Sevilla's level (one of many midtable clubs he'd compare us with). I wonder if his defenders were crying about lowered standards then?
Comparing Jose and SAF, always thought it was thing of past and people learnt lessons, looks like some haven't.
Had we hired, say Conte, the whole of the fan base would be highly critical of the results and lack of improvement.
And this is precisely why Ole was hired...enough good will from fans, desperately believing in the so-called the youth vision/rebuild, when the evidence is that he’s not up to the job.
I’m not saying ‘Ole out’ and there are plenty of other problems at the club to make it unsolvable with a manager change but it’s clear that he’s getting an easier ride than other people would.
And this is precisely why Ole was hired...enough good will from fans, desperately believing in the so-called the youth vision/rebuild, when the evidence is that he’s not up to the job.
I’m not saying ‘Ole out’ and there are plenty of other problems at the club to make it unsolvable with a manager change but it’s clear that he’s getting an easier ride than other people would.
Amount of investment needed to get us back to guaranteed contenders - approx. 400+ million. That's 5 seasons of being out of the champions league at 75mil a pop. No wonder the leeches aren't investing...its not worth it for them. appoint the legend and give the fans some toffee. I wont get onto Ole's back but imop the board should not have given him the job full time last season when they did. Its not like he was going anywhere - but that's the boards fault not his. If we sell pogba next summer anyone who thinks the full proceeds will funnel back into the squad are dreaming. I don't think any manager can succeed under the clubs current structure
Yeah, point in case the last 6 years. Recognizing.
This is the problem. You can hire a serial winner, a rookie, or a magician. As things stand, we as a club have 0 vision, 0 planning and 0 ambition. We have not dropped standards, the owners and board have. Not the fans.
A club with vision even if they hired Ole in March would have known:-
Alexis, Lukaku are not in the plans so would have prepared that exit with something.
Would have known Pogba would want to leave so would have actioned that
Would have known Lingard / Mata are not good enough for creativity.
I'm not sure exectly what his record is during that time, but the man you want (Poch) has got to be pretty close to that...
Actually, I believe that Ole was given the job then out of respect to FC Molde. I don't think it was a coincidence that Ole was given the full time job a week before Molde was set to start their season...
I realise that some of you think that Ole should be gone, but the problem with our club lies much deeper.
It is the board which should be sacked....not the managers.
As our DoF, Woodward should be told that he will no longer have anything to do with on-pitch activities. Woodward has been using managers as shields. When things get tough, he tosses away the current shield and buys another one. My biggest problem with him is that he sees 4th place as the holy grail (as did the owners of AFC, who coincidentally ran the club to make money...just as Woodward is doing).
As far as Ole is concerned, I have said from before the Summer: odds are that he will be fired (tossed away by Woodward) before 01/01/2020, so for those who feel that he should be sacked, wait a few months. The last time we gave the job to a mid-table manager (Moyes), it was an absolute disaster and I can see Ole following the same path.
Unfortunately if Ole goes, the board will still be in tact and Woodward, the ego maniac, will still be pulling the strings. He'll hire another manager, who will also fail because he is not being given the tools to succeed.
It is the board which should be sacked....not the managers.
As our DoF, Woodward should be told that he will no longer have anything to do with on-pitch activities. Woodward has been using managers as shields. When things get tough, he tosses away the current shield and buys another one. My biggest problem with him is that he sees 4th place as the holy grail (as did the owners of AFC, who coincidentally ran the club to make money...just as Woodward is doing).
As far as Ole is concerned, I have said from before the Summer: odds are that he will be fired (tossed away by Woodward) before 01/01/2020, so for those who feel that he should be sacked, wait a few months. The last time we gave the job to a mid-table manager (Moyes), it was an absolute disaster and I can see Ole following the same path.
Unfortunately if Ole goes, the board will still be in tact and Woodward, the ego maniac, will still be pulling the strings. He'll hire another manager, who will also fail because he is not being given the tools to succeed.
Young and hungry?
Our supposed malady lingard was the young and hungry of yesteryear, our pogba, lindelof, martial, are all supposed to be our young and hungry. Any good comes of them?
Alot of fans don't understand that.
I dont want him gone...yet
But i do want people to judge him with the same standard they judged jose. 81pts a distant second means nothing. Remember that line? All of a sudden it's a top 8 is fine la, rebuilding takes time.
Edit. Jusr because we have multiple problems at hand doesnt mean we should stick with a non performing manager. We're shit enough with world class manager, having a rookie manager certainly makes things alot harder and it's one of the biggest problems at hand. Structure and culture is a 20 years rebuilding job, but a good manager can at least smoothen the rebuilding.
Almost none of those players seem to have that hunger right now, and when they did previously they performed very well.
But Poch did make it into the CL Final. That has to count for something.
Ole beat PSG - that's his claim to fame, as a manager.
Whatever the case, I have no ire towards the managers or players. It's Woodward who is the root of all these problems. Ever since he took over, we have failed to maintain the standard that was set before his arrival.
Do consider that Jose is a serial winner (winning with every team he joined) and even he gave up in his final season. When an employee with a superb track record wants out, you know things are not right at the club.
I don’t think Woodward could have done worse if he tried, we can’t get rid of the glazers but surely protesting about a failed scruffy gimp every game would pick up some traction.