Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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Corbyn actually cares what happens to people. The others don't.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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I think Labour policy is Corbyn will obtain a better deal and then campaign against it. I just don't know what to say, it's beyond parody.
 


Wow, they've got him this time.

Seriously hope we see more of this in the run up to the election. People might actually start waking the feck up as to what the agenda is judging by the comments under that.
 
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CassiusClaymore said:


Wow, they've got him this time.

Seriously hope we see more of this in the run up to the election. People might actually start waking the feck up as to what the agenda is judging by the comments under that.
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It's been well known for decades that Corbyn and McDonnell were IRA sympathisers at the time and essentially Republicans.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Corbyn is still convinced he is going to get a better deal .
Everyone laughs at Johnson because he's going to solve the backstop. Haha.
What magical power does Corbyn have. Remembering he's going to stop FoM and the UK can do their own deals. Haha.

They are both a joke.
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Corbyn is utterly incompetant and has been an absolute disaster for the country. Any other political leader in opposition would have set out strongly a position on Brexit and completely slaughtered the Tories who have been an absolute shambles. Labour have been just as much a shambles as the Tories. We have somehow managed to get the two most incompetant political leaders in the two most powerful positions in the UK Parliament.
 
balaks said:
Corbyn is utterly incompetant and has been an absolute disaster for the country. Any other political leader in opposition would have set out strongly a position on Brexit and completely slaughtered the Tories who have been an absolute shambles. Labour have been just as much a shambles as the Tories. We have somehow managed to get the two most incompetant political leaders in the two most powerful positions in the UK Parliament.
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Who for example ?
 
Sweet Square said:
Who for example ?
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Anybody - literally anybody. The fact is his message has been all over the place, totally incoherant and he has failed to offer up Labour as a viable alternative to the Tories on the biggest political issue of this generation. It is hard to think of any leader of any opposition in the last 30 years who would not have been able to at least have a clear message and see the opportunity. It's like having the biggest open goal in history and then failing to kick the ball. It is unforgivable and he is just as guilty as the Tories at causing this mess.
 
balaks said:
Anybody - literally anybody. The fact is his message has been all over the place, totally incoherant and he has failed to offer up Labour as a viable alternative to the Tories on the biggest political issue of this generation. It is hard to think of any leader of any opposition in the last 30 years who would not have been able to at least have a clear message and see the opportunity. It's like having the biggest open goal in history and then failing to kick the ball. It is unforgivable and he is just as guilty as the Tories at causing this mess.
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@Dobba

Heard this one before ?
 
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If you think Corbyn is just as guilty as the Tories then you're a fecking idiot who deserves no deal brexit. Shame about the rest of us.
 
Shamwow said:
If you think Corbyn is just as guilty as the Tories then you're a fecking idiot who deserves no deal brexit. Shame about the rest of us.
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He is just as guilty because he has utterly failed to fight it. You can disagree with that if you want but calling me an idiot for stating what is a fact makes you look more foolish than me.

He has been unable to look past his own views of Europe for the good of the country and his party.

By the way there was no need to respond like that.
 
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Red Dreams said:
Corbyn actually cares what happens to people. The others don't.
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If he cared so much about people he'd stop lying about Brexit and go all out to stop it which he hasn't for the past 4 years because he's only really interested in nationalising everything and getting into power. Any type of Brexit will be a disaster for the UK, especially for poorer people.
The Tories may be worse and terrible but having two totally incompetent parties doesn't help anyone.

711 said:
I think Labour policy is Corbyn will obtain a better deal and then campaign against it. I just don't know what to say, it's beyond parody.
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Everyone knows apart from the blind Corbyn faithful that he won't get a different deal with his own red lines. It is beyond parody. Why, at this particular moment in British history do Labour happen to end up with this fool as their leader.

balaks said:
Corbyn is utterly incompetant and has been an absolute disaster for the country. Any other political leader in opposition would have set out strongly a position on Brexit and completely slaughtered the Tories who have been an absolute shambles. Labour have been just as much a shambles as the Tories. We have somehow managed to get the two most incompetant political leaders in the two most powerful positions in the UK Parliament.
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Agreed, the Tories should have been completely taken to the cleaners with their shambolic government , they can't believe their luck that Corbyn is leader of the opposition.
 
If I was Labour leader, I’d have simply solved Brexit and pleased everyone. Then I’d have all the votes.
 
balaks said:
Interesting that you find that funny. I'm bloody furious about it. I'm a natural left-leaning voter who probably would vote Labour if I voted in England - Corbyn has been an absolute disaster for Labour and the country.
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Whats funny is that you say anyone could have done a better job than Corbyn(Thats around 67 million people) yet when asked you failed to come up with a single name. Which just typical and amusing.

As for your frustration, that has more to do with your failure to understand the current political climate than anything to do with Corbyn. Take some time out, read some books, listen to podcasts/lectures etc etc. And actual come up with a analysis for why the country is in this mess(The more vulgar the better in my view). Because your natural left-leaning left views(I guess some sort of indistinct liberal feeling of injustice )isn't helping you and is in fact just making you post - Me think Corbyn BAD!
 
Mockney said:
If I was Labour leader, I’d have simply solved Brexit and pleased everyone.
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Its weird, the Stop Brexit button has been right in front of Corbyn for the last 3 years and yet he still hasn't pushed it.
 
Sweet Square said:
Whats funny is that you say anyone could have done a better job than Corbyn(Thats around 67 million people) yet when asked you failed to come up with a single name. Which just typical and amusing.

As for your frustration, that has more to do with your failure to understand the current political climate than anything to do with Corbyn. Take some time out, read some books, listen to podcasts/lectures etc etc. And actual come up with a analysis for why the country is in this mess(The more vulgar the better in my view). Because your natural left-leaning left views(I guess some sort of indistinct liberal feeling of injustice )isn't helping you and is in fact just making you post - Me think Corbyn BAD!
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I doubt you could be more patronising if you tried.

You have failed to counter my comments with anything other than purile nonsense without a single counter argument to back up your position. This does suggest that you are unable to do it.

I also did give you plenty of names had you bothered to read my post - I said any opposition leader in the last 30 years could have done a better job - if you actually need me to name them all then I simply can't be arsed but I'm sure you know most of them.

What I've learnt from a single morning posting in this thread is that we have apparently several Corbyn supporters who go on the attack by patronising people and calling them idiots yet do not have a single counter argument between them and have to resort to schoolyard stuff. It's all a bit sad guys.
 
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Sweet Square said:
Its weird, the Stop Brexit button has been right in front of Corbyn for the last 3 years and yet he still hasn't pushed it.
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Pity he didn't campaign before Brexit to stop it instead of having his own followers voting for their own downfall and falling into Tory hands. Pity he voted to trigger A50, pity he voted against the withdrawal agreement which would have prevented a no-deal Brexit.
So why did he vote against the withdrawal agreement - because he wants to remain or because he is just as moronic as Johnson and thinks he can change the agreement or is it just because May negotiated it and he didn't.

So many things he could have done.
 
balaks said:
I doubt you could be more patronising if you tried.

You have failed to counter my comments with anything other than purile nonsense without a single counter argument to back up your position. This does suggest that you are unable to do it.
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The idea that a new leader could just come in and solve the Brexit issue and sweep up loads of votes in the process is utter fantasy though... I have no idea where that analysis could even come from. The country is still incredibly divided by Brexit and the reality is that even another public vote two years on from the last would still be finely balanced. Labour actually tried to compromise with a softer Brexit but nobody is remotely interested because nobody actually wants compromise.

There is no simple way out of this situation regardless of leader because nobody is about to suddenly persuade leavers or remainers en masse, that they are actually wrong and should switch sides. Especially not with what is such a tribal political climate at the moment. It's like trying to persuade a Liverpool fan that they should support United.
 
balaks said:
I also did give you plenty of names had you bothered to read my post - I said any opposition leader in the last 30 years could have done a better job - if you actually need me to name them all then I simply can't be arsed but I'm sure you know most of them.
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Oh right so your actual making the argument that Ed Milband would have done a better job than Corbyn has over the last 3/4 years ? Or that Gordon Brown would have done better ? Christ I think the only person less popular than Corbyn is Blair.

So if that is your answer(All this is based on what exactly ?) then I don't feel bad about my earlier condescending post to you.

Cheers.
 
Sweet Square said:
Oh right so your actual making the argument that Ed Milband would have done a better job than Corbyn has over the last 3/4 years ? Or that Gordon Brown would have done better ? Christ I think the only person less popular than Corbyn is Blair.

So if that is your answer(All this is based on what exactly ?) then I don't feel bad about my earlier condescending post to you.

Cheers.
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I honestly do think that yes. Corbyn is the worst Labour leader I can think of in my lifetime. You think he is doing a good job!?
 
ZupZup said:
The idea that a new leader could just come in and solve the Brexit issue and sweep up loads of votes in the process is utter fantasy though... I have no idea where that analysis could even come from. The country is still incredibly divided by Brexit and the reality is that even another public vote two years on from the last would still be finely balanced. Labour actually tried to compromise with a softer Brexit but nobody is remotely interested because nobody actually wants compromise.

There is no simple way out of this situation regardless of leader because nobody is about to suddenly persuade leavers or remainers en masse, that they are actually wrong and should switch sides. Especially not with what is such a tribal political climate at the moment. It's like trying to persuade a Liverpool fan that they should support United.
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Its not about solving the Brexit issue - it's about taking a position and fighting on that basis - it's really not that difficult to do, politicians do it all the time. This is basic stuff. Labour is all over the bloody place.
 
Sweet Square said:
Based on what(Something other than your personal feelings.) ?
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Based on the utter shambles that I have observed since he has had the position - its incredibly frustrating as he does have many policy ideas that I could definitely get behind but all of that is made irrelevant by how badly he has handled brexit - you have around a 50/50 split in the UK right now on Brexit - what he should have done, in my view, is picked a position and stuck to it - I'd have liked them to fight against Brexit completely but perhaps that was impossible so then they should have campaigned for a very soft brexit - they did not do this either. So essentially you have Labour being pretty similar to the Tories on Brexit - indeed part of their current 'position' is to re-negotiate brexit which is exactly the same bloody policy as the Tories - and laughable as it's a complete fantasy.

What a huge missed opportunity this has been - you have almost half the country who voted remain sitting there with nobody other than the Lib Dems actually stating they will fight brexit. The Tories have been a total disaster throughout this process and ripe for the taking - this was the chance for Labour to put the boot in and possibly destroy the Tories for a generation but no, nothing.

I absolutely hate the Tories and all they stand for but I also now hate Corbyn for fecking up this once in a generation chance to take them out and also for not being pro-active enough to try and stop us getting into this bloody awful situation with brexit. Corbyn has been unable to overcome his own view on Europe for the greater good - that is why I hold him personally responsible for screwing this up.

No other Labour leader in recent times has the background and history he has and this is what has fecked the entire thing up. This is why any of them would have played this in a very different way -- they have been up against the worst Tory leadership in my lifetime and have completely let them get away with it because Corbyn also dislikes Europe.
 
balaks said:
Its not about solving the Brexit issue - it's about taking a position and fighting on that basis - it's really not that difficult to do, politicians do it all the time. This is basic stuff. Labour is all over the bloody place.
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He's taking the position of "respect the original result, try to make it work, offer a 2nd vote on the final outcome". It's really not hard to understand. If you're honestly assigning as much blame to the person who is taking that position as you are to the people who:

Came up with the stupid idea of the referendum in the first place & put it in their manifesto, failed to meaningfully plan for brexit winning, completely lied about what brexit means on a repeated basis, mislead the country on whether no-deal was likely, spent 3 years fecking around and subverting democracy, and loads of other things I can't be bothered listing because if you've been paying any attention at all you should be already aware of them.

If you honestly blame Corbyn as much as that lot, then I can confirm that you are a complete idiot.
 
Shamwow said:
He's taking the position of "respect the original result, try to make it work, offer a 2nd vote on the final outcome". It's really not hard to understand. If you're honestly assigning as much blame to the person who is taking that position as you are to the people who:

Came up with the stupid idea of the referendum in the first place & put it in their manifesto, failed to meaningfully plan for brexit winning, completely lied about what brexit means on a repeated basis, mislead the country on whether no-deal was likely, spent 3 years fecking around and subverting democracy, and loads of other things I can't be bothered listing because if you've been paying any attention at all you should be already aware of them.

If you honestly blame Corbyn as much as that lot, then I can confirm that you are a complete idiot.
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He is currently trying to make a position out of 're-negotiating the deal' - on what planet is he on at this stage? If they re-negotiate a deal (they won't) then do they support brexit on those terms or are they against brexit? What side do they support in any referendum? Nobody bloody knows. That is my point.

The Tories are responsible for starting this absolute shit show but Labour are responsible for not holding them to account and letting it get to the point were we are possibly staring at an imminent no-deal.
 
balaks said:
He is currently trying to make a position out of 're-negotiating the deal' - on what planet is he on at this stage? If they re-negotiate a deal (they won't) then do they support brexit on those terms or are they against brexit? What side do they support in any referendum? Nobody bloody knows. That is my point.
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He's on the planet where more than half of voters in a referendum said they want to leave. Are you on the planet where that didn't happen because it would explain a lot of your thinking.
 
Shamwow said:
He's on the planet where more than half of voters in a referendum said they want to leave. Are you on the planet where that didn't happen because it would explain a lot of your thinking.
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Again you have not answered my question. Constant deflection won't cut it I'm afraid. You have said absolutely nothing of worth in any of your responses. No counter arguments, no explanations of your view. Absolutely nothing at all. Why is that?

I've no issue with you disagreeing with my view - but to do it without actually responding with any substance or attempt to counter my view does lessen the impact of your input.
 
balaks said:
Again you have not answered my question. Constant deflection won't cut it I'm afraid.
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I told you what planet he's on. You're not fecking Paxman mate.
 
Mockney said:
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The “sensible, rational middle ground” again.
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Yes I saw him a couple of time son TV , same as he is in parliament, awful - so passionate not - pre Brexit campaigning was full of many other other people but Corbyn did not appear very often in comparison.

What about my other points - he had the power to stop a no-deal Brexit but didn't - so he played his part and wasn't powerless.
If the leader of the opposition is so meek and powerless what is the point of him being there?
 
Shamwow said:
I told you what planet he's on. You're not fecking Paxman mate.
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That's it is it? Well I'm convinced - sorry I take it all back, Corbyn is a fantastic leader and I'm 100% wrong. Your arguments were knowledgeable, skilled and well-balanced. I never stood a chance.

Fantastic insight into your views once again.
No but seriously, is that it?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Yes I saw him a couple of time son TV , same as he is in parliament, awful - so passionate not - pre Brexit campaigning was full of many other other people but Corbyn did not appear very often in comparison.

What about my other points - he had the power to stop a no-deal Brexit but didn't - so he played his part and wasn't powerless.
If the leader of the opposition is so meek and powerless what is the point of him being there?
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Corbyn appeared more than anyone else outside of Cameron and Osborne so once again you are full of shit.
 
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