Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?

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All signs point to it. Strikers looks down due to low morale surrounding the club, lower table club going 3 goals up, what ever changes that spurs do looks pointless. The sack is inevitable.
 
Disagree he's had them overachieving, other than perhaps reaching the CL Final. He's had Kane, Eriksen and Son for one. He's had the team playing well. I don't think that means overachieving.
 
This is working out well for us, at the end of the season get Poch on a free. Or better yet hope Tuchel gets sick of PSG and get him.
 
VeevaVee said:
Disagree he's had them overachieving, other than perhaps reaching the CL Final. He's had Kane, Eriksen and Son for one. He's had the team playing well. I don't think that means overachieving.
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Absolutely. I think he's been given far too much praise.

I bet you Redknapp would have been flying with the grown up Harry Kane. Even the likes of Moura/Son, as he made Aaron Lennon look like a world beater.

Take Kane away and think of him having just Adebayor, Janssen or Llorente instead, and history seriously rewrites itself.
 
I'd take Potter tomorrow
Edit. Wrong thread. Thought I was in matchday
 
I bet if we had the squad of Spurs, our fans would expect from Ole to challenge for the title. Just think about how expensive are the likes of Kane, Son, Eriksen, Ndombele.
 
VeevaVee said:
Disagree he's had them overachieving, other than perhaps reaching the CL Final. He's had Kane, Eriksen and Son for one. He's had the team playing well. I don't think that means overachieving.
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Like those players were world class ready to slot in players. He developed all these players and this team because he's a fantastic coach.

Team is just at the end of it's cycle. Soon as one or two start making noises about wanting to leave you're in trouble.
 
cjj said:
Absolutely. I think he's been given far too much praise.

I bet you Redknapp would have been flying with the grown up Harry Kane. Even the likes of Moura/Son, as he made Aaron Lennon look like a world beater.

Take Kane away and think of him having just Adebayor, Janssen or Llorente instead, and history seriously rewrites itself.
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Redknapp was doing a cracking job with them as I recall.
 
Does he get time over the international break or will Levy drop the axe on him tonight? From his press conference, it doesn't seem like he will walk. Signed a long term contract recently so he will want his big pay-out.
 
RussellWilson said:
Like those players were world class ready to slot in players. He developed all these players and this team because he's a fantastic coach.

Team is just at the end of it's cycle. Soon as one or two start making noises about wanting to leave you're in trouble.
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That doesn't mean he overachieved.
 
It is. But it's not a poor reflection on him in any way or form. It's just something that every single manager goes through at least once in a career.

Seriously, for anyone slagging him off, calling him 'overrated' or whatever - name a manager who has been/was around for 7 years or more who has not had at least one truly horrible year/job.

Go ahead. I'll wait. And will repost this on other threads too.

I'm sure there will not be more than a handful.
 
Would Levy really sack him? Which other top manager would put up with his shit?
 
VeevaVee said:
That doesn't mean he overachieved.
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Of course it does. He took on a group of young players at a club like spurs who have done nothing in decades and consistently kept them above bigger clubs with bigger budgets. That's literally the definition of over achieving.
 
This is why SAF will always be the best manager of all time in the PL. If there were players like Vertonghen/Eriksen/Alderweireld etc who weren't signing a new deal or were on the decline he'd recognise it and get rid. It did not matter who they were and if they were a key player. They were gone. He'd replace them and the overall squad would be better off even if the individual replacing them wasn't as good.

There are far too many cases in the Spurs squad right now of seemingly 75% investment rather than the full 100% investment needed. Sadly it also seems like Poch is part of that which doesn't help but comining it all just leads to a recipe for disaster.
 
RussellWilson said:
Of course it does. He took on a group of young players at a club like spurs who have done nothing in decades and consistently kept them above bigger clubs with bigger budgets. That's literally the definition of over achieving.
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Or he got hold of quality players and made them play well. That's not overachieving. It's achieving.
 
90 + 5min said:
I woud say that Levy deserve credit even more for getting players to Spurs. But as I said couple of weeks ago. People are overrating what Pochettino has done for Spurs. He has been good for Spurs and he took them a step further but that step was not that big. Look at the squad he had when he first arrived. Look at table couple of years before he came. Spurs were not a bad team. They were very good with very good players and finished 4-6 in table. Not bad considering strenght of other top teams. Good manager? Absolutly. But I'll stop there before saying world class or top manager. 0 trophies.
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He managed to stay competitive as Liverpool City Us and I think even Chelsea comfortably out spent him. Also Spurs looked extremely boring and blunt under Sherwood. He was really struggling with getting them to click. They really transformed under Poch.
 
SilentWitness said:
This is why SAF will always be the best manager of all time in the PL. If there were players like Vertonghen/Eriksen/Alderweireld etc who weren't signing a new deal or were on the decline he'd recognise it and get rid. It did not matter who they were and if they were a key player. They were gone. He'd replace them and the overall squad would be better off even if the individual replacing them wasn't as good.

There are far too many cases in the Spurs squad right now of seemingly 75% investment rather than the full 100% investment needed. Sadly it also seems like Poch is part of that which doesn't help but comining it all just leads to a recipe for disaster.
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You're right. It's amazing that once Fergie got us to the top of the mountain in the early 90s, he managed to go through the next 20 years without having one of those disastrous seasons that every other manager seems to have at some point. We never finished lower than 3rd in the PL.
 
VP89 said:
He managed to stay competitive as Liverpool City Us and I think even Chelsea comfortably out spent him. Also Spurs looked extremely boring and blunt under Sherwood. He was really struggling with getting them to click. They really transformed under Poch.
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Spurs had no pressure on them so Pochettino had time to create a balanced team though and allow players to develop. At United, he won't get that and neither will the players.

Right now he is expected to deliver and it's not working so he has capitulated.
 
fps said:
Redknapp was doing a cracking job with them as I recall.
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It's what I find so odd.

Pochettino currently has a team that is far superior to anything Redknapp had, and Redknapp did equally well in cups and the league. No one said "Harry has taken the team as far as it can go" or any of the tosh that is used by Poch-apologists.


The main difference seems to be that Poch is good at developing players that will feel indebted to him; Redknapp is good at getting the most out of players who have egos to stroke - something that seems to have been the undoing of Poch.
 
So what top manager will take the Spurs job?

If it's such a great team they will be queued up.

But they won't. The top coaches won't take a job without major backing. They would never work under the conditions Poch has had.
 
DoomSlayer said:
Spurs had no pressure on them so Pochettino had time to create a balanced team though and allow players to develop. At United, he won't get that and neither will the players.

Right now he is expected to deliver and it's not working so he has capitulated.
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Of course there was pressure. He was expected to get into top 4 and dislodge Arsenal. That's a big part of why Sherwood was sacked. Its fair to say Poch did that overall.

His expectation now is not to deliver any more than he has. He's not been backed, so there's no expectation. If he walked in like Jose did and spent shit loads then sure I'd expect tangible progress by way of silverware. But he's spent a good few hundred million less than City or Liverpool. Obviously he was never going to win the league, Champions League was tremendously unlikely and any reasonable manager would prioritise top 4 over Carling or FA.

It's just because he's over achieved, people expect him to over achieve some more and weirdly some get a kick out of him failing.
 
He should resign before his stock falls even more.
 
0 away wins in 9 months = 2 points from the last 30 in the Premier League.
 
VP89 said:
Of course there was pressure. He was expected to get into top 4 and dislodge Arsenal. That's a big part of why Sherwood was sacked. Its fair to say Poch did that overall.

His expectation now is not to deliver any more than he has. He's not been backed, so there's no expectation. It's just because he's over achieved, people expect him to over achieve some more and weirdly some get a kick out of him failing.
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I don't remember anyone expecting Spurs to be regularly above Arsenal, they had the time and had young talented players who were developing. Now, Kane is supposedly worth £150 million, Son is a £100 million, Eriksen vas also valued at around £80‐£100 million, they got Ndombele, they have a solid defense with experienced players.

In any other top team, people would expect a title challenge, considering the team should be at its' peak currently.
 
VeevaVee said:
Or he got hold of quality players and made them play well. That's not overachieving. It's achieving.
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Really? who were the likes of Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Trippier, Walker, Eriksen, Dembele, Alderwiereld etc? Not a set of quality players. He improved them all, not by accident or coincidence did they all improve, but by top coaching.
 
RussellWilson said:
Really? who were the likes of Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Trippier, Walker, Eriksen, Dembele, Alderwiereld etc? Not a set of quality players. He improved them all, not by accident or coincidence did they all improve, but by top coaching.
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If that’s the case, then he has to take responsibility for piss poor coaching over the past year?
 
RussellWilson said:
Really? who were the likes of Kane, Alli, Son, Rose, Trippier, Walker, Eriksen, Dembele, Alderwiereld etc? Not a set of quality players. He improved them all, not by accident or coincidence did they all improve, but by top coaching.
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That's not overachieving. He got them playing well. That's his job. He wouldn't have been able to do that if they weren't good enough to do it.
 
DoomSlayer said:
I don't remember anyone expecting Spurs to be regularly above Arsenal, they had the time and had young talented players who were developing. Now, Kane is supposedly worth £150 million, Son is a £100 million, Eriksen vas also valued at around £80‐£100 million, they got Ndombele, they have a solid defense with experienced players.

In any other top team, people would expect a title challenge, considering the team should be at its' peak currently.
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Of course they wouldn't. City have 100m players all over the park. Liverpool have the same. Why the feck are Spurs expected to challenge for the title? Their centre backs want out, their full backs aren't as good as the sides above them, they don't have as much depth as City, their keeper makes too many howlers.

In what world is a title challenge reasonable?!
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
Why would we want Poch?
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Because overall he's done a fantastic job before having the kind of year that almost literally every manager (including SAF, Clough, Shankly, Mourinho, Klopp, Heynckes et al) had in their careers.

It happens. To EVERYONE. It's happening to Marco Rose at Mochengladbach right now. I'm not sure where this manager who is successful at the highest level but has never a horrifying year is going to come from. But good luck finding him.

You'll need it.
 
Has to be skating on thin ice now, but not a lot Spurs can do until Christmas. Unless they want Sherwood back as a caretaker.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
If that’s the case, then he has to take responsibility for piss poor coaching over the past year?
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But he does, the same way Klopp did. He is clearly at the end of a cycle and lost something which happens to almost all managers not named SAF.
 
He wont be sacked. We are talking about Daniel Levy here. Only time he would sack Poch is when its cheap as posible to do so... after his recent contract extension until 2023, that wont be the case right now. Definitely sees out this season at least
 
VP89 said:
Of course they wouldn't. City have 100m players all over the park. Liverpool have the same. Why the feck are Spurs expected to challenge for the title? Their centre backs want out, their full backs aren't as good as the sides above them, they don't have as much depth as City, their keeper makes too many howlers.

In what world is a title challenge reasonable?!
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Oh, so suddenly Spurs have bad defenders when most of you here have been wanting to get them in the past 2-3 years? Piss poor excuses, Spurs have had it good for a long enough time and still didn't win anything, even when people were patting them on the back for just participating well.

Isn't there a reason for rival fans bantering Tottenham about being the biggest bottle jobs? It's because they have the quality but never achieve anything and always choke in the vital moments.
 
It might not even be his decision as to whether he stays or goes now.... imagine saying that even a few weeks ago!
 
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