And whilst Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea (every other season) have imploded.
Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?
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And whilst Arsenal, Utd and Chelsea (every other season) have imploded.
that wasn't a meltdown though, it was half a bad season, due to many circumstances, that turned around in the second half of the season.
It may be the same for Poch this season too. IT's still early. My first concern though would be is that Spurs of what I have seen of them are playing really badly, these are not shock results. That last 1st half of the season of Kloppo at Dortmund, it was not like that. We where losing games due to ridiculous goals, or the inability to finish, rather than because the team where playing so awfully, and losing games the team dominated.
My 2nd concern would be suggestion that Poch is losing the team (again different to Klopp). That is a bigger problem.
But honestly, I think a lot of the blame lies with those behind the scenes. They have unhappy players who dont want to be there, and should have done more to sort out those problems quicker, now they are almost like festering wounds.
Spurs need to be very careful, as they could take a backwards step with the wrong managerial move, however bad things seem right now.
Most fans seem to want Jose or Allegri, was pretty surprised by that.
Exactly. Not easy to have consistency in this league, even with big foreign names and new ideas. He's been a mainstay relative to these guys. Jose, LVG, Sarri.. Emery couldn't get close last year. Looks like Spurs are imploding this year but I see the issues as a squad problem rather than them turning on the manager. Most of these guys either need shifting from the club or are trying to force an exit.
He needs to refresh his squad but its obvious Levy only wants to add one name a window. Levy won't back a refresh of a few names in one single window and that's what they need. I don't think a new manager will suddenly fix the problems there. It's Eriksen vertonghen Alderwierald and Rose all wanting out, Lloris being too error prone and a hole at right back that are the major problems.
Don't be, both are top managers.
And both would do very well with that Spurs squad.
Mourinho would excel with it imo.
If Poch does leave it will be under some kind of mutual deal/understanding. No way is he getting plain out sacked.
Spurs fans on here has been laughing at the Mourinho suggestion for quite awhile now: I would not anymore. Its looking like a real possibility.
Possibly. But I think some of the players minds are elsewhere. Also they looked tired after the Bayern game.
Jose under Levy is a car crash waiting to happen. The summer where Jose fell out with the board for a lack of backing he still spent 70m more than Levy allowed his own manager. Levy is probably smart enough to know they won't get along. Why he'd never hire him
I just can't believe any Spurs fan would want him gone, much less expects it imminently, and yet the majority of them want it to happen. It's bizarre to me, but you'll know better than I do. Who would you replace him with?
Id drive him to manchester myself.
Mourinho would do well with that Spurs squad. It seems like his type of profile.
I like him as a coach, but part of the reason he didn’t need to spend that much was because he was sitting on hundreds of millions worth of squad that was assembled for far under their value.
But what is undeniable is that he helped all those players reach their maximum potential for multiple seasons.
The international break has come at the right time for them. They need to sort out whatever is happening behind the scenes there. I did hear a stat on the radio that Spurs have now lost 18 out of their last 40 games! Something is wrong and has been for a while there.
Yeah, their manager wants to join a bigger club...
And Utd need a better manager...
Sweet.
Poch needs a change. We should hire him and bump Ole upstairs as DOF. I think they’d work well together and the youth would benefit.
Because.. Ole needs to remain an employee at United for life?
He’d work well with the manager, his signings have been good, he gets along with Ed and the board, he brings a positivity to the club, and we’re partway through a rebuild he designed. So yea, because he needs to remain an employee for life.
Because his 3 signings have been excellent, his other targets are the right ones to improve the squad in the long term, he values developing our academy players which is essential for united, and he understands the club, it's history and it's culture, plus he'd be loyal to the club allowing long term planning overseen by a single person.
So no, not because he needs to remain an employee for life, but because he has all the qualities and ideas the club and fans would deem essential in any DoF.
He’d work well with the manager, his signings have been good, he gets along with Ed and the board, he brings a positivity to the club, and we’re partway through a rebuild he designed. So yea, because he needs to remain an employee for life.
Yeah because he’s a visionary.
Let’s see his CB signing is someone Mourinho wanted last year, so Jose for DOF too? AWB was one of the best right backs in premier league amazing scouting that is. Revolutionary. Ole is our Monchi.
Took the words out of my mouth. Thank you.
For me, the biggest issue is that Poch is not a winner.
SAF was a winner, Klopp is a winner, Pep is a winner, even Jose was a winner until Real gave him PTSD.
Poch is just a good coach who makes an average team punch above their weight. Stick him into a team like Real or United where you are expected to win something every season and the pressure will break him.
This is why I hope we pass on him, and look into someone who is young and hungry. I hear Rose and Nageslmann being touted a lot, but I’m not sure.
Personally I’d get Blanc or Ancelotti for 2-3 years and in the mean time monitor all the up and coming managers for a long term project.
How do you possibly know that?
Dan cough James
He obviously doesn't know that but it is an indication of what he believes. If every post on on here was based on "facts" it would seriously reduce the number of posts. For what it is worth I am in agreement to some extent but would not consider it a disaster for me if Poch were to go to a top team and win a trophy.
Recommended by Giggs. Plus it’s way too early to judge if he will be a decent signing. I see a player keen to run around and chase the ball, not sure about his quality to create goals yet.
Agreed, as long as they don't plan long term for him, it could be a great fit. A little bit like Inter in 2008.
Marco Rose team 3 nil up at the moment. Very good coach.
How much of a visionary he is remains to be seen. I was referencing his effectiveness in executing those transfers. Jose wanted Maquire, Ole got Maquire. Everyone since Moyes wanted a reliable back four. Ole got a reliable back four. Having a coherent transfer plan rather than the shotgun approach of previous windows and getting it done is an accomplishment.
Speaking of plans, the biggest reason I’d want him for DOF is the club approved his long term rebuild plan. Players to keep, which to sell, player attributes to target, rebuild from the back, and so on. A long term vision should any survive managerial changes. We could certainly hire a different DOF, but then we’d get their long term plan and have to start all over again.
I’m not putting this on Solskjaer because I believe Woodward is to blame but what we did this summer was not a coherent transfer plan. Strengthening one area while weakening two others is not an accomplishment. We’ve gone into this season weaker than we were last year and Herrera and Lukaku aren’t exactly irreplaceable talents. And the club knew all summer Lukaku was going and Herrera was already gone.
I think there is a plan and Ole got the first third of it done last window. He wanted the £75 million net spend to build from the back. Since I don’t see us with a net spend of £150 million, replacing Lukaku was dependent on selling him first. We all know how the timing of that went. If I’m right, and Ole is still executing his plan, the net spend next summer will go to the midfield. We’ll also buy Lukaku’s replacement, but only because we have “cash in hand”. The year after that net spend will go to the forwards. After that, we have a young, solid squad and can infill as needed.
That's a narrative driven argument. No one is a winner till they win, then they are. This place was notorious for calling Klopp an habitual finals loser and serial runner up. He won the CL and it's been crickets ever since. You have to look beyond that when judging managers
A 3-0 belting vs Brighton is not normal. I believe the situation is way nastier than the official version. An inside source would probably tell you that Poch doesn't believe in most of his players anymore and in retribution they want him gone, with Levi shrugging his shoulders (cheap rich loser, always has been).
I'm not surprised. He's been flicking his eyelashes at big clubs for a while now. Then there was that bizzare friendly in preseason where he apologised to us for his team's rough tackles. Your own manager trying to score PR points with a bigger job by apologising to the other team because you played hard. I like Poch but this divorce doesn't come as a surprise
So we go two years without a forward line worth talking about? Shite plan.
Unless Rashford and Greenwood and Chong develop very quickly and Lingard finds his form, I expect we’re in for a rough couple years. At least we should get a good striker to pair with Martial next window or summer, so things will be better than they’ve been.
https://play.acast.com/s/thetransferwindow/0ba8486c-4ac2-4928-9923-aede4a5d01d2
Decided to leave Spurs and wants United job. Only a matter of when according to this podcast.
Decided to leave Spurs and wants United job. Only a matter of when according to this podcast.
No thanks. I still dont understand what his team does when in attack.
Our board has always been reactive. They will wait to see if Ole can turn this around, although all evidence until now points otherwise.
The difference a year can make. The caf would look like the inside of a creamery if this was being reported last October.
And the club will have finally done something right if so.
Great news, it is no surprise that his players has stopped playing for him. I don’t understand why he stayed with Spurs though this season. Hopefully, he can convince Kane to come with him and return United to its glory days. If not, we can get Haland instead and Poch can mold him into the next Kane. Pochettino is the 2nd or 3rd best manager in the world right now. It will be ridiculous if we don’t go after him.
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