Westminster Politics

Smores said:
I've no idea about Ellman i can't place the name .
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Dame Louise Ellman?... made a dame last year for her services to parliament and politics
Has been the constituiency MP Since 1997 - as it happens the constituency next to Luciana Berger
She is chair of Labour Friends of Israel
Chair of the Labour Jewish Movement
Chair of the all party Britain Israel Group in Parliament

In 2016, Ellman alleged a small number of new members in local Labour meetings made antisemitic remarks, arising from dissatisfaction with her views on Israel and Corbyn.[21] She alleged that Momentum were acting as a "party within a party" in her constituency and asked for a Labour Party inquiry:

this request was not met by the party leadership
 
Sweet Square said:
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Arrest them all.

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On a serious note isnt Lambeth Bridge one of the two major access routes to st Thomas hospital (and they are also blocking the other at westminister bridge as well)... and it has a pretty big A&E unit so i hope they have something in place for maintaining access for emergency vehicles and if not then yeah arrest them / disburse them.
 
sun_tzu said:
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They are a odd lot for sure.



They remind of the repent protesters from the film Children Of Men

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Although I guess its something at least

sun_tzu said:
On a serious note isnt Lambeth Bridge one of the two major access routes to st Thomas hospital (and they are also blocking the other at westminister bridge as well)... and it has a pretty big A&E unit so i hope they have something in place for maintaining access for emergency vehicles and if not then yeah arrest them / disburse them.
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It looked like there was room for emergency vehicles.
 
I walked among them at Westminster and wasn't impressed. At least they all got a good wash. The anti-Brexit brass band was alright though.
 
sun_tzu said:
On a serious note isnt Lambeth Bridge one of the two major access routes to st Thomas hospital (and they are also blocking the other at westminister bridge as well)... and it has a pretty big A&E unit so i hope they have something in place for maintaining access for emergency vehicles and if not then yeah arrest them / disburse them.
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I've been to one of their organised events, a cycle. The explicit instruction from the organisers was that emergency services are immediately let through; no ifs, no buts, no coconuts.
 
We should get Jo for our transfer department.
 
Disgusting person, unfit to represent our people:
According to an account of his comments briefed out by No 10 on Monday evening, Boris Johnson said: “I hope that when we go out from this place tonight and we are waylaid by importunate nose-ringed climate change protesters we remind them that Mrs Thatcher was also right about greenhouse gases.

“And she took it seriously long before Greta Thunberg. And the best thing possible for the education of the denizens of the heaving hemp-smelling bivouacs that now litter Trafalgar Square and Hyde Park, the best thing would be for them to stop blocking the traffic and buy a copy of Charles Moore’s magnificent book so that they can learn about a true feminist, green and revolutionary who changed the world for the better.”
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'Uncooperative crusties': Boris Johnson attacks Extinction Rebellion activists ~
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ohnson-attacks-extinction-rebellion-activists
 
Sweet Square said:
They are a odd lot for sure.



They remind of the repent protesters from the film Children Of Men

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Although I guess its something at least


It looked like there was room for emergency vehicles.
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I was going to say they look like they escaped from a Hogwarts Cosplay camp.
 
Its been behind a paywall but yes we are in a crisis





 
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Grinner said:
Better off minimally in fiscal terms but then there are also all the other laws and policies that will help the lesser-off.
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Much to the displeasure of the FT, I'm guessing.

The fact they are even talking like this show how much the tories have fecked up.
 
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This is a EDL government in make up. Pathetic behavior by pathetic people forming a pathetic government.
 
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The FT has been consistently pro-Remain of course. I can't see Labour being the largest party after an election though, because in a campaign Corbyn will have to answer questions that will go against him. 'Your deal will mean freedom of movement and unlimited EU immigration won't it?' Well yes, so that's a chunk of Labour Brexiters gone. 'Will your referendum include No Deal or not?' Well if the FT's right then it won't, so that's another chunk gone. The Tories can solve their electoral problems relatively easily by a pact with Farage, there's no easy solution for Corbyn.
 
711 said:
The FT has been consistently pro-Remain of course. I can't see Labour being the largest party after an election though, because in a campaign Corbyn will have to answer questions that will go against him. 'Your deal will mean freedom of movement and unlimited EU immigration won't it?' Well yes, so that's a chunk of Labour Brexiters gone. 'Will your referendum include No Deal or not?' Well if the FT's right then it won't, so that's another chunk gone. The Tories can solve their electoral problems relatively easily by a pact with Farage, there's no easy solution for Corbyn.
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This is the problem in the UK. People can't listen to reason once someone is "remain" or "leave". Even the FT gets painted in the corner as if it were anything like the brexit propaganda press.
 
Abizzz said:
This is the problem in the UK. People can't listen to reason once someone is "remain" or "leave". Even the FT gets painted in the corner as if it were anything like the brexit propaganda press.
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What makes you think it's been painted into a corner? The FT's my favourite newspaper, it was a better article than most on the subject for me.
 
711 said:
What makes you think it's been painted into a corner? The FT's my favourite newspaper, it was a better article than most on the subject for me.
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The first sentence... it acts as qualifier.
 
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Sweet Square said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

But they aren't tory, honestly they aren't tories at all.
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Is this just a general realigning of parties? Tories have gone far right, and Lib Dems are taking their old spot by sliding from the centre to the right while current Labour have gone further to the left under Corbyn? Feels like it but I am not a big political follower (or wasnt before all this shitshow started)
 
711 said:
You've knee-jerked mate. I was replying to Sweet's comment on 'much to the displeasure of the FT' although I didn't make that clear to be fair.
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Ah sorry, yeah I didn't get the context, my bad.
 
711 said:
The FT has been consistently pro-Remain of course. I can't see Labour being the largest party after an election though, because in a campaign Corbyn will have to answer questions that will go against him. 'Your deal will mean freedom of movement and unlimited EU immigration won't it?' Well yes, so that's a chunk of Labour Brexiters gone. 'Will your referendum include No Deal or not?' Well if the FT's right then it won't, so that's another chunk gone. The Tories can solve their electoral problems relatively easily by a pact with Farage, there's no easy solution for Corbyn.
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Thatis not an easy solution for the tories. Its a black hole they'll struggle to come back from.
 
Oldyella said:
Is this just a general realigning of parties? Tories have gone far right, and Lib Dems are taking their old spot by sliding from the centre to the right while current Labour have gone further to the left under Corbyn? Feels like it but I am not a big political follower (or wasnt before all this shitshow started)
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Or... Lib Dems are just becoming a broader church in search of more power and political clout. Hoovering up any centre-left or centre-right MP that becomes available while Tories and Labour are lurching more to the right and left respectively.

Since the Tory/Lib Dem coalition we've been hearing from the left that Lib Dems are just yellow Tories. But after having scooped up an almost equal number of Labour and Tory MPs, they've now moved to the right? That's fanciful
 
nokillingmoths said:
Thatis not an easy solution for the tories. Its a black hole they'll struggle to come back from.
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Well I was thinking of an electoral pact where the Cons don't stand against Farage in Labour areas they couldn't win but Farage might, or at least prevent Labour winning. I say easy because once Brexit is over Farage would lose much of his appeal, although then again I suppose he could reinvent his party for something else, so you could be right in that case.
 
Oldyella said:
Is this just a general realigning of parties? Tories have gone far right, and Lib Dems are taking their old spot by sliding from the centre to the right while current Labour have gone further to the left under Corbyn? Feels like it but I am not a big political follower (or wasnt before all this shitshow started)
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The Lib Dem have become exclusively the David Cameron type party.
MadMike said:
Or... Lib Dems are just becoming a broader church in search of more power and political clout. Hoovering up any centre-left or centre-right MP that becomes available while Tories and Labour are lurching more to the right and left respectively.

Since the Tory/Lib Dem coalition we've been hearing from the left that Lib Dems are just yellow Tories. But after having scooped up an almost equal number of Labour and Tory MPs, they've now moved to the right? That's fanciful
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The Lib Dems have been on the right since the Clegg days. The recent scooped up of neoliberal and conservative Labour and Tory MPs proves this.
 
MadMike said:
Or... Lib Dems are just becoming a broader church in search of more power and political clout. Hoovering up any centre-left or centre-right MP that becomes available while Tories and Labour are lurching more to the right and left respectively.

Since the Tory/Lib Dem coalition we've been hearing from the left that Lib Dems are just yellow Tories. But after having scooped up an almost equal number of Labour and Tory MPs, they've now moved to the right? That's fanciful
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Sweet Square said:
The Lib Dem have become exclusively the David Cameron type party.

The Lib Dems have been on the right since the Clegg days. The recent scooped up of neoliberal and conservative Labour and Tory MPs proves this.
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Cheers chaps.
 
Can't this fool take anything seriously?:
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'An air of mincing menace': Boris Johnson laments rejection of his film script
Prime minister reveals he pitched Mission to Assyria – a Raiders of the Lost Ark-style adventure – to ‘a very distinguished director’
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The script was “absolutely brilliant”, he said he abandoned the idea after seeing an advert for the George Clooney film The Monuments Men. “I thought, ‘Damn, that’s probably my idea.’”
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Sheffield also quotes in full Johnson’s description of Mission to Assyria’s opening scenes: “We begin with a sickening montage of atrocities: beheadings of innocent people in orange jumpsuits, torchings of Shias, rapes of Yazidi women, and footage of the smashing and the demolition of the Assyrian cities … These bestial crimes are orchestrated by a horrible cologne-drenched jihadi with an air of mincing menace.”

Led by an archeologist called Marmaduke Montmorency Burton (“an old Clooney/Connery/Eastwood type geezer in his fifties”), a seven-strong team of explorers aims to save “Shargar, the long-lost city of Tiglath-Pileser III in Syria, from the advancing evil of Islamic State”. Johnson suggests Angelina Jolie or Scarlett Johansson for the female lead, and describes enemy jihadis as being “spifflicated” with shovels.
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711 said:
What makes you think it's been painted into a corner? The FT's my favourite newspaper, it was a better article than most on the subject for me.
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Mine also. Think they’ve been very good, can’t really accuse them of bias imho
 
T00lsh3d said:
Mine also. Think they’ve been very good, can’t really accuse them of bias imho
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What? That entire article was written from the perspective that Corbyn would be a nightmare. The whole thing creates a ‘No Deal would obviously be awful, but so would a Corbyn government’ narrative. If they think that then fine, but saying it doesn’t show bias is bizarre.
 
The level of discourse in the HOC is astonishing. Gove isn't just not answering, anything he says is a pointless repetition of things that have been said thousands of times and still don't matter. These people don't understand nor care about the effects of their actions. They've never held real responsibility in real work (where things actually get done). I hope they will at least be blamed for all the damage they are causing one day, and that they stay healthy enough to live so long to see it.

And briefing the press with made up quotes from a foreign leader is utterly despicable. Can't remember that ever happening before.

Get on with this government of national unity to end this government of national cowardice.
 
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SteveJ said:
Can't this fool take anything seriously?:
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Not only that but the story sounds fecking terrible so I have no doubt that the script wasn't "absolutely brilliant".
 
Oldyella said:
Is this just a general realigning of parties? Tories have gone far right, and Lib Dems are taking their old spot by sliding from the centre to the right while current Labour have gone further to the left under Corbyn? Feels like it but I am not a big political follower (or wasnt before all this shitshow started)
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The Tories "have gone far right"? Their current spending commitments and the huge borrowing / taxation that will have to go with it make them more left wing than Ed Miliband. Likewise the policies on energy caps and a ramping up of the minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024 are also left wing. Likewise green policies such as are due April on electric vehicles would be generally normally associated more with the left.

From a policy perspective I'd have Labour under Corbyn as a comparatively far left statist party, Johnson as a more central left and the Lib Dems as slightly right of centre.
 
finneh said:
The Tories "have gone far right"? Their current spending commitments and the huge borrowing / taxation that will have to go with it make them more left wing than Ed Miliband. Likewise the policies on energy caps and a ramping up of the minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024 are also left wing. Likewise green policies such as are due April on electric vehicles would be generally normally associated more with the left.

From a policy perspective I'd have Labour under Corbyn as a comparatively far left statist party, Johnson as a more central left and the Lib Dems as slightly right of centre.
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Johnson is only centre left if you have your centre rather to the right. Which you demonstrably do.
I have no doubt that he is, in some respects, on the left of the Tory party. A party I would see, to mirror your terminology, as comparatively far right.
 
finneh said:
The Tories "have gone far right"? Their current spending commitments and the huge borrowing / taxation that will have to go with it make them more left wing than Ed Miliband. Likewise the policies on energy caps and a ramping up of the minimum wage to £10.50 by 2024 are also left wing. Likewise green policies such as are due April on electric vehicles would be generally normally associated more with the left.

From a policy perspective I'd have Labour under Corbyn as a comparatively far left statist party, Johnson as a more central left and the Lib Dems as slightly right of centre.
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Don't confuse electioneering for actual spending.
 
SteveJ said:
Can't this fool take anything seriously?:
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I googled that story thinking I was about to privately embarrass myself for even contemplating that this was legitimate and not satirical. This man is our Prime Minister. God help us.
 
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