You mean like Pep?
Is Pochettino's time at Spurs coming to an end?
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How could we wait a few more years to build our stadium? Our revenue streams were massively off the top clubs we had to build it. We don't have a cheese room btw.
Sonaldo? I presume you mean Son, no I highly doubt you could get him, Poch, Kane and Eriksen all at once
.I think Poch's time at Spurs is close to done, they have stalled and need fresh ideas. Poch needs fresh challenge.
Your point on Sherwood and Kane is what I'm arguing. No manager would have started with Kane as first choice considering he didn't score many goals at championship. So Poch started him in Europa, when he did well, he started him in the league.
Do you think that challenge is at United?
I have never said anything different, I think it was just Kane's time, he got the games at the end of Sherwood's season and Poch obviously noticed him in training and the rest is history.
Not sure if it's ManUtd where he can refresh the squad and has few young players who needs lot of development or Madrid like project. I would take him without doubt, he was the manager I wanted when Jose was sacked.
The other Spurs guy who was arguing said Poch should have played Kane and he did because he had no option, completely ignoring that Soldado was very good player in La Liga and Kane became first choice within 3 months in the league.
How could we wait a few more years to build our stadium? Our revenue streams were massively off the top clubs we had to build it. We don't have a cheese room btw.
Sonaldo? I presume you mean Son, no I highly doubt you could get him, Poch, Kane and Eriksen all at once
Whaaat! I thought that was one of the main selling points of the new stadium.
I am a huge fan of Son. I like his playstyle and he is always cheerful. Woodward should really get Park on the phone and tell him to convince Son to join Utd.
For the record, I don't think we are getting Poch, Kane or Eriksen. Poch will probably go to Madrid, and Kane should ideally go to Man City. He will probably break Messi's single season goal record of 92(or was it 96), and win titles galore.
This was a very toxic time at Spurs, Ade causing all sorts of problems, and Soldado coming off the pitch in tears due to absolute frustration. Soldado, who I was really excited about simply couldn't cut it in the PL, Ade down tools so Poch didn't really have much of a choice. Like I said I feel it was just Kane's time.
So just for pure speculation in the worst case scenario which doesn't seem far off:
Let's say that Spurs actually do have a terrible season this year. At the end of that Poch probably ends up with the sack or more likely leaves on his own accord. Add on top their contract situation with Eriksen, Alderweireld and Vertonghen which all end 06/2020. Only Kane and Ali tied up til 2024 and Son til 2023.
That means potential loss in player value of well over 150 mil. € if they somehow don't renew.
So my questions are :
1) What does bad season actually look like for them? Is it low league finish i.e. below 4th, not going far in CL or what position specifically would be the tipping point in Poch getting fired/leaving/pulling a "Mou" and players not renewing?
2) Even if they somehow finish decently in the league with obvious squad rebuild needed at Spurs, what would it take for Poch to stay at Spurs and attempt another cycle of rebuilding and in therms of promises from Levy ?
3) What does that mean for other clubs like Real Madrid, Man City and us all eyeing their players? For how much do these players mentioned above go for? And do some of them go in Januray or do they actually run down their contracts ? Especially curious about Kane and his price tag if he decides to leave.
For me:
1) It looks like they'll have to accept lower finish. Like 6th but anything lower would be terrible. I think early exit in CL looks like a given but think they'll accept that better than the PL position. They look pretty bad form/play wise and other than the CL final, their season finish last year was very poor and the start is the same this year with no sight of improvement. Something about them just feels very Mourinho-esqu in his 3rd season's at the moment. Not to mention none of their key players are injured except for the newcomers and Loris. If anything happens to Kane or Son like last year they're toast.
2) If they manage to pull 4th or 5th I think Poch stays only if
a) there are no calls from the bigger clubs like us or Real but that much depends on Zidane and Ole really. Much more likely that Zidane'll get the sack. Ole looks likely to stay even if we finish 8th IMO,
b) the key players renew, especially Eriksen and
c) much more funds promised for the next summer 100-150mil € net. Out of all that much more important seem the funds even if Eriksen and others leave. Poch would accept that if it means 100 more mil. to play around with on top of the regular budget funds. I could see him stay even if none of these happen but can't see them doing well at all in 2020/21 then.
3) For other's it looks like a great opportunity if they suffer a meltdown. If that happens I can easily see Eriksen going in January even just so they could recoup some of that money. Personally can't see why he'd choose United ahead of Real Madrid with the state of we're in. Only if there's some phenomenal, clear and achievable plan that he could be shown to come on board. Also Alderweireld, I'd really take him instead of Lindelof to partner Maguire. And with the looks of the City's CB's they could do with him too.
Other than that Kane's future seems in the air even if he's on a long term contract. Even see some Spurs fan saying they'd really not blame him if he want's to leave in the absence of trophies. Don't see it happening this season but next perhaps. Also feel like he would be given a transfer if he asked for it but for a ridiculous sum of money only. Especially with Levy in the picture. Some Spurs fans quoting 250-300mil. € which doesn't really surprise me. Only few clubs with that sort of money like City and Real first, maybe PSG but can't see him going there. Other than that perhaps United but only if we get that Pogba money from Real.
Let's say that Spurs actually do have a terrible season this year. At the end of that Poch probably ends up with the sack or more likely leaves on his own accord. Add on top their contract situation with Eriksen, Alderweireld and Vertonghen which all end 06/2020. Only Kane and Ali tied up til 2024 and Son til 2023.
That means potential loss in player value of well over 150 mil. € if they somehow don't renew.
So my questions are :
1) What does bad season actually look like for them? Is it low league finish i.e. below 4th, not going far in CL or what position specifically would be the tipping point in Poch getting fired/leaving/pulling a "Mou" and players not renewing?
2) Even if they somehow finish decently in the league with obvious squad rebuild needed at Spurs, what would it take for Poch to stay at Spurs and attempt another cycle of rebuilding and in therms of promises from Levy ?
3) What does that mean for other clubs like Real Madrid, Man City and us all eyeing their players? For how much do these players mentioned above go for? And do some of them go in Januray or do they actually run down their contracts ? Especially curious about Kane and his price tag if he decides to leave.
For me:
1) It looks like they'll have to accept lower finish. Like 6th but anything lower would be terrible. I think early exit in CL looks like a given but think they'll accept that better than the PL position. They look pretty bad form/play wise and other than the CL final, their season finish last year was very poor and the start is the same this year with no sight of improvement. Something about them just feels very Mourinho-esqu in his 3rd season's at the moment. Not to mention none of their key players are injured except for the newcomers and Loris. If anything happens to Kane or Son like last year they're toast.
2) If they manage to pull 4th or 5th I think Poch stays only if
a) there are no calls from the bigger clubs like us or Real but that much depends on Zidane and Ole really. Much more likely that Zidane'll get the sack. Ole looks likely to stay even if we finish 8th IMO,
b) the key players renew, especially Eriksen and
c) much more funds promised for the next summer 100-150mil € net. Out of all that much more important seem the funds even if Eriksen and others leave. Poch would accept that if it means 100 more mil. to play around with on top of the regular budget funds. I could see him stay even if none of these happen but can't see them doing well at all in 2020/21 then.
3) For other's it looks like a great opportunity if they suffer a meltdown. If that happens I can easily see Eriksen going in January even just so they could recoup some of that money. Personally can't see why he'd choose United ahead of Real Madrid with the state of we're in. Only if there's some phenomenal, clear and achievable plan that he could be shown to come on board. Also Alderweireld, I'd really take him instead of Lindelof to partner Maguire. And with the looks of the City's CB's they could do with him too.
Other than that Kane's future seems in the air even if he's on a long term contract. Even see some Spurs fan saying they'd really not blame him if he want's to leave in the absence of trophies. Don't see it happening this season but next perhaps. Also feel like he would be given a transfer if he asked for it but for a ridiculous sum of money only. Especially with Levy in the picture. Some Spurs fans quoting 250-300mil. € which doesn't really surprise me. Only few clubs with that sort of money like City and Real first, maybe PSG but can't see him going there. Other than that perhaps United but only if we get that Pogba money from Real.
Not sure you took my point. Pep and Klopp, no doubt the best two at the moment, both quit after the exact situation you described. They didn’t stay and steady the ship as it were.ehehe I meant Allegri
Why? this would be a really crap move from United.
He is 30 Yrs old and will want a big wage when we have 3 decent CB;s
Hasn't he been largely crap over the past 18 months
If so that's another crap contract Jose tried to burden us with.
He's up there with the age but probably has 2 more good season's in him. I thought it went without saying but only get him on an acceptable wages and contract length not vice versa + we wouldn't have to pay transfer fee to Spurs.
Also I personally rate him above anything in our squad short of Maguire. Better than Lindelof certainly who looks average at best and makes ludicrous mistakes which have cost us points and I feel like that will continue. If Smalling goes in the summer you can't seriously rely on Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe. Oh, and Rojo. All of which are not good enough or seriously injury prone. And remember, we really can't spend more of our transfer budget on CB's when even LB seems exposed with Shaw gone, with the midfield needing rebuild, RW, ST etc...
We don't need Alderweireld.
If we don't think Axel is ready yet we need s dynamic, fast, aggressive partner for Maguire. Lindelof is too passive and frankly,pretty average. Toby would be essentially replacing Lindelof with an older version of himself.
If we don't think Axel is ready yet we need s dynamic, fast, aggressive partner for Maguire. Lindelof is too passive and frankly,pretty average. Toby would be essentially replacing Lindelof with an older version of himself.
We should appoint him in a heartbeat if he becomes available and our form doesn't change with good financial backing he could do wonders for us
ok sorry... both them won a lot before leaving though... poch won zilch and yet sulked with no return from sadness??
A Spurs fan i work with claimed Poch was as good as gone and Jose was ready to step in.
Dont really know how i feel about that, but it would be very interesting at least for a number of reasons
Dont really know how i feel about that, but it would be very interesting at least for a number of reasons
That would be something indeed. I think it might actually put a smile on Arsenal fans for once.
Sure, what you’re saying about Poch might be true, although, in my book, that CL final appearance is a hell of a lot more impressive than yours. If Poch took over Juve he’d have won the league hands down.
That’s really neither here nor there, since this is what I replied to:
Which I’ve shown to not be true, since both Klopp and Pep moved on after mentally tiring and dissappointing seasons at Dortmund, Barca (and maybe Bayern) respectively. So what I’m saying is, your assessment is wrong imo.
How many titles do you have in a row? Yet it seems you won’t fire managers for not winning the CL. No offense by the way, I have massive respect for Juve. It’s just not a straight forward comparison imo.
Edit: If anything, you could accuse Poch of not having the foresight to see the writing on the wall, as it were. To know he’d taken the team as far as he could. Could be he just wanted to try to turn it around, could be Levy is an obstacle. The thing with Pep is, his status allows him to dictate his own contract length in a way no one else can.
Jeez, no I feel dirty having stuck up for Poch Guess my head won out over my heart this time.
Guess my head won out over my heart this time.ok again but Spurs final was actually a fluke (never seen so many 50/50 situations going literally one way, starting from group stage until the last ball of the semis) and Poch sulked exactly because of a Cinderella story gone bad at midnight imho. Let’s agree to disagree then, his accomplishments cabinet has lesser consistence than Eddie Howe’s.
I believe it’s symptomatic for fans of the superclubs, like United, Real, Barca, Juve etc. to be too hung up on trophies. Spurs is about the sixth biggest club in the PL, and have had a salary and transfer budget along those lines. If you can’t see that Poch have had them performing pretty great throughout his time there I honestly can’t help youok again but Spurs final was actually a fluke (never seen so many 50/50 situations going literally one way, starting from group stage until the last ball of the semis) and Poch sulked exactly because of a Cinderella story gone bad at midnight imho. Let’s agree to disagree then, his accomplishments cabinet has lesser consistence than Eddie Howe’s.
Then the other fans will be proved wrong.
I genuinely hope so. I'd never eat humble pie faster than if Pochettino turns it around at the club. Would be beyond thrilled.
Just can't see it, but do honestly hope to god that it isn't simple misplaced optimism from you. Only time will tell.
No chance. I put the odds at 1000 to one against.
Nor is it true that Levy hasn't backed Pochettino. In the summer we spent a lot more than previously in net terms … and previously the huge cost of our new stadium and training ground didn't allow much leeway for spending.
And others on this board and beyond believe Poch could be sacked as soon as this Sunday, following a thumping away Liverpool that is.
Who to believe?
It will be back to doom and gloom once they receive their annual thrashing from Liverpool.
Me.
Most teams lose away to Liverpool. Yet Spurs will still likely qualify for the CL group stages - and with many games to go in the league will still IMO finish top 4 yet again.
Those who like to get their knickers in a twist will get their knickers in a twist: nothing new there.
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Losing would be one thing. Losing by some stupid scoreline would be another, yet another hammering to add to embarrassing Brighton and Bayern performances. It would probably also leave us 8 points shy of top four.
Maybe a hammering to Liverpool wouldn't quite get Poch sacked, but it would certainly leave him on the edge with Everton away next up.
Nah. Poch is a long way from the edge of being sacked. Levy knows he has worked miracles at Spurs given the lack of spare money for the squad until recently. He also knows he is one of the most sought-after managers in world football.
Hell will freeze over before Levy sacks Pochettino.
Can’t see him being sacked even if they get hammered by Liverpool. Poch will walk before he’s sacked and I don’t think that’s until the end of the season.
Think tonight's result reminded everyone the situation isn't beyond salvage. He'd have to lose the next 3 for the sack conversation to return
I don't think they'll get hammered by Liverpool. I could see them get something out of the game. They obviously can't set up similar to the way Ole set us up, because Kane is not electric so they'll set up different, but I definitely think most teams can make it uncomfortable for Liverpool playing a back 3 if they've got intensity in the middle and pace up front.
Feel the same way. Only way Poch is realistically leaving is if he quits, which actually there is a decent chance of in the next couple of years. Not that many potential options for him to move up considering the current manager climate but United has to be one potential for him if things keep going the same way for both Spurs and United.
Had to move on the players that didnt want to be there. You get some message about blah blah couldnt find buyers, or something from Levy. Lower the price far enough, you find a buyer, guaranteed.
Now he has a bunch of players with the hump they didnt get their move away, Rose, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama and maybe Vertonghen. That is a lot of the dressing room veterans and they probably have quite a bit of influence within the team. Needs a clear out at xmas and to start promoting the young players, the above players out, Foyth, Lo Celso, Walker Peters, Ndombele in. Maybe get in another face over the xmas period.
Now he has a bunch of players with the hump they didnt get their move away, Rose, Alderweireld, Eriksen, Aurier, Wanyama and maybe Vertonghen. That is a lot of the dressing room veterans and they probably have quite a bit of influence within the team. Needs a clear out at xmas and to start promoting the young players, the above players out, Foyth, Lo Celso, Walker Peters, Ndombele in. Maybe get in another face over the xmas period.
Yes so by next summer he will be 31. I understand he will be on a free and the wages will be minimum 200k, I say this because look over the past players who have gone on a free. Come January, anyone from abroad will be able to sign a pre-contract.
He might be a decent CB but this season he hasn't been the same, if you watch Spurs this year you will see that he has struggled.
Glad to see a much better performance and result last night but it will mean nothing if we do not keep that standard up over the next few games. The Liverpool game is absolutely massive.
Spurs are picking up. I genuinely can’t see Poch leaving Spurs, at least not after this season is done. I reckon he and the players are still on the same page and they’ll evaluate again to see whether they will end up with trophies come next May
Are they? Why do you think that? That Watford result was quite telling imo, fresh from an International break against a team bottom of the league with a minus 16 GD and they would have lost had it not been for some awful officiating
Liverpool and Everton away back to back now (albeit they do have a great historic record against the latter)
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