Sassy Colin
Death or the gladioli!
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How do they get from £34B down to £20.5B with inflation at around 2%? 
How do they get from £34B down to £20.5B with inflation at around 2%?![]()
Better get to A&E right now mate. If you leave it too long then you might have to pay to upgrade your place in the queue.I for one am shocked.
Lack of press coverage is shocking but not something new. Many stories that would make the public more pro Labour are not being covered. Press are complicit.Better get to A&E right now mate. If you leave it too long then you might have to pay to upgrade your place in the queue.
Seriously though, Where's the press outrage for this one? They're more than happy to pay lip service to the NHS until it's at risk or, you know, staff go on strike because they see the whole thing falling apart and want to raise awareness to it (probably hoping that folk don't just claim it's down to them wanting more money).
Since we're accepting Labour propaganda now as the unchallengeable truth, here's what the Lib Dems say.Better get to A&E right now mate. If you leave it too long then you might have to pay to upgrade your place in the queue.
Seriously though, Where's the press outrage for this one? They're more than happy to pay lip service to the NHS until it's at risk or, you know, staff go on strike because they see the whole thing falling apart and want to raise awareness to it (probably hoping that folk don't just claim it's down to them wanting more money).
Er....yeah I know. This is where I first hear about it -Politics these days is depressing. This was a regret motion, you can read the wording yourself. It wouldn't have repealed the Health and Social Care Act, or introduced any new legislation, or anything like that.
The only reason Labour did this was because they knew the Lib Dems wouldn't support in. Then they could put it out on social media for their supporters to get indignant over, safe in the knowledge that most people don't actually look at the information behind the claim. An exercise in disinformation.
They really don't help themselvesSince we're accepting Labour propaganda now as the unchallengeable truth, here's what the Lib Dems say.
ie there was other stuff in the amendment they didn't agree with, so they abstained.
But you know, it gave the Labour culties their daily shot of anger, so well done.
Now I know that many, including me, in this party had concerns about the reforms in the 2012 Act. But there was some good stuff in there, on social care and on mental health, both issues very important to us. So even if we think that the Act isn’t perfect, we would go with amending rather than appealing it.
Its was nothing more than a gesture, so that case wouldn't did the lib vote for it ?
It's the thought that counts.
In this case, not really. Even if this was somehow binding, it suggested repealing a piece of legislation that's central to how the NHS and social systems work with literally nothing to replace it. For better or worse, its the legislative framework that the NHS works on you can't just delete it and move on. Anyone being remotely sensible would consider that a bad idea.
In this case, not really. Even if this was somehow binding, it suggested repealing a piece of legislation that's central to how the NHS and social systems work with literally nothing to replace it. For better or worse, its the legislative framework that the NHS works on you can't just delete it and move on. Anyone being remotely sensible would consider that a bad idea.
yeah but it’s easier to just say the Lib Dem’s are tories amirite
Which is it for you ?
Dam Hippy!He's a twat of the first degree. As a prospective Liberal voter it's not good news, point taken. Ah well, the Greens are always an option.![]()
Well yeah and your view on it is ?Its a massive and wide reaching piece of legislation. You're not looking for a one word summary are you?
Dam Hippy!
Well yeah and your view on it is ?
I don't need a one word answer but also nothing to long and boring(Also include some puns).
I imagine so and the final death knells of any hope of remain may then be sounded.they must be pretty confident of an extension date from the EU by then?
I suspect (provided they have accepted any extension by then) it will pass?
they must be pretty confident of an extension date from the EU by then?
I suspect (provided they have accepted any extension by then) it will pass?
I actually think its a fairly logical moveI don't get it... If he doesn't give them more time and they don't go for an election what does he win? His "deal" will still be dead, right? What is he thinking is his leverage here?
And by suggesting a date that's so close, he limits the maximum amount of time that the bill can be scrutinised by parliament even while making the offer and appearing like he's compromising. His dream scenario would be the bill managing to pass before the election without being enacted yet, this allows it.I actually think its a fairly logical move
It allows him to try and get his brexit deal through in time for an election (so he can fight the election on having won brexit)... if they dont approve the deal it plays into the remoaner parliament blocking the will of the people tripe that he keeps troweling on
yeah because although 12th december sounds like a long time i assume there is a 5 week period or something like that for campaigning so effectivley it will still be i guess a week and a half max?And by suggesting a date that's so close, he limits the maximum amount of time that the bill can be scrutinised by parliament even while making the offer and appearing like he's compromising. His dream scenario would be the bill managing to pass before the election without being enacted yet, this allows it.
yeah because although 12th december sounds like a long time i assume there is a 5 week period or something like that for campaigning so effectivley it will still be i guess a week and a half max?
Suggestion is that it would be November 6th that Parliament gets dissolved so yeah, they're basically saying we'll give you two weeks and then have an election. Guessing the date would also create issues for uni students voting which will benefit the Tories as well.yeah because although 12th december sounds like a long time i assume there is a 5 week period or something like that for campaigning so effectivley it will still be i guess a week and a half max?
possibly not... arent most uni students actually still registered at home and many dont change it to where they are at uni (im assuming as they are such dossers they will have broken up for xmas by then) half jokingSuggestion is that it would be November 6th that Parliament gets dissolved so yeah, they're basically saying we'll give you two weeks and then have an election. Guessing the date would also create issues for uni students voting which will benefit the Tories as well.
I remember when I was at uni a couple of years ago that people were encouraged to register there rather than at home and the ones I knew mostly did so (though since I studied politics, might not have been representative). And the date would have been last week before we broke up, some would have gone home early obviously.possibly not... arent most uni students actually still registered at home and many dont change it to where they are at uni (im assuming as they are such dossers they will have broken up for xmas by then) half joking
Yeah but what does it help him to make parliament look bad when he needs parliament to get the election he wants for the sake of changing parliament? If he gets his election parliament won't look bad, and if he doesn't it doesn't matter because there won't be an election soon...I actually think its a fairly logical move
It allows him to try and get his brexit deal through in time for an election (so he can fight the election on having won brexit)... if they dont approve the deal it plays into the remoaner parliament blocking the will of the people tripe that he keeps troweling on
Labours anger should be with itself given how it pretty much jump started the Lib Dem recovery by being so disingenuous about brexit.yeah but it’s easier to just say the Lib Dem’s are tories amirite
Parliament either don't give him the election (he blames parliament) or they do... And if they do either they pass his deal unamanded in which case he says he defeated parliament ... Or they try and amend it (most probable)... He pulls the deal and blames parliament for being remoaners trying to attach a referendum or a customs union and stop the 1st referendumYeah but what does it help him to make parliament look bad when he needs parliament to get the election he wants for the sake of changing parliament? If he gets his election parliament won't look bad, and if he doesn't it doesn't matter because there won't be an election soon...
Tbf the vast majority of MP's and members seem to be remain and pretty vocal about it... I think the anger needs to be pretty targeted at the long term anti EU leadership of the partyLabours anger should be with itself given how it pretty much jump started the Lib Dem recovery by being so disingenuous about brexit.