Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done

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7even said:
Life has learned me that sometimes bad people can do good things and good people can do bad things. Whoever who claims to be behind our future success don’t change my view of politics and religion. If the Saudis take this step and buy United then the English and the western world media will cover their regime more closely. In my books that’s a good thing and maybe it will change them to become more modern and tolerant. Transparency often speed up the process.

To answer your question. I will not change the channel and I will not clap my hand. At that moment I probably visit the Redcafe and write some shit about nothing and everything.
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Yea, I'm with you on this one. I'm by no means giddy over the sale. Heck, I just want the current idiot owners to put in the correct structure/people in positions on the footballing side. Also, I want them to invest in OT and Carrington. But the past has shown they are not going to do this.

Like you say, the purchase of United will shine more of a light on their political affairs. What they may underestimate is the press we get globally. Not many know Saudi owns Sheffield United. City and PSG get nowhere near as much press as us. So if PIF, or whoever, buy United, they need to understand that the countries political dealings will get amplified.
 
KM said:
Don't want these Saudis anywhere near the club but anyhow people need to stop making conspiracies about this WWE Plane delayed thing. It was a mechanical failure and the chartered plane company has apologised for it. That Plane has now left their country. It wasn't a hostage situation.
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Exactly. I mean organizing the WWE thing itself is completely a PR exercise. Why would they then ruin it with stalling the return of the plane :lol:
 
Nothing in any newspaper outlets, even the tabloids. I believe its all bullshit
 
Honestly there’s a new thread on the Saudis every month. Can’t we just keep one of the original ones open and close all these bullshit ones whenever some random inane persons makes a tweet?
 
kouroux said:
Is there a guarantee that the Saudis won't be looking to do as the Glazers ? I know they love and everything but who knows
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There's no guarantee. Especially if/when oil income starts drying, they may look to squeeze out the pennies from all their assets.
 
Giggsyking said:
In terms of governments, the USA government is worse.
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The US, despite it flaws, is still a country of free speech, a country where men and women are seen as equals (at least by the law). Don’t believe for a second that the Saudi regime is better or on par.

Still, this argument is flawed because we are not discussing a takeover by the US government (nor the UK’s dito). We are discussing the possibility of switching owners from a private entity to being state owned by one of the most oppressing and fundamental regimes in the world. How people can compare these two is beyond me.

Since Roman took over Chelsea and Abu Dhabi took control over City we have been calling these clubs plastics and their success has always been somewhat overshadowed by the fact that it was achieved due to financial doping. Still, a lot of posters here would happily see us going in the same direction while also being used as a propaganda tool for Saudi. Very sad indeed.

It’s hard to think about stopping supporting a club that has given one so much in terms of joy, thrill and frustration. But in the same time, how will it feel having to constantly justify your support? How good would the next title feel knowing what it took to get us there?
 
I’m bemused why this thread is almost at 20 pages :confused:

There has been absolutely nothing of substance, just @utdreport gassing up an obscure rumour for likes and retweets.
 
I reckon they've just purchased the shares that went on sale recently.
 
This is just another rumour but the meltdown by some on here is hilarious!!
 
In Rainbows said:
That's debatable. The US is better domestically, and both sponsor terrorism elsewhere. Saudis are involved in genocide in Yemen, which I'm not sure the US has done in recent times in the same way Saudi Arabia is doing it there. They're complicit as of right now. In the past the US did with natives, and had slavery. Then again, the regime change wars the US did in Latin America and middle east could be considered worse.

When you lay everything out, its hard to say which is worse because of too many disgusting things to count.
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That is also debatable, in terms of freedom and oppression sure USA domestically better, but in terms of the people wealth, the Saudis are better. So it is a matter of perspective.
 
SirAF said:
I’m bemused why this thread is almost at 20 pages :confused:

There has been absolutely nothing of substance, just @utdreport gassing up an obscure rumour for likes and retweets.
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Because it’s turned into a political train wreck debate.

Was hoping that someone credible that has links to the club like Stone or Peach would have came out and either refuted these claims or said it’s something to keep an eye on.
 
matherto said:
Technically aren't we all agnostic considering we'll never actually know or be able to prove/disprove?

Ricky Gervais touched on that, he's an agnostic atheist and I forget exactly how he described but essentially, we don't believe in God but we know we can't/never will be sure.
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Yep, makes sense. I'd say though that my agnosticism for a God places His or Her probability of existence at the same level as that of the probability that there is a real father Christmas or flying spaghetti monster.
 
It does seem that there is a little something to these reports. Some journalists confirmed this alleged meeting would take place, and it appears it has from the recent video leaked. What that meeting amounts to could well be something entirely different.

If the takeover rumours are true and they do buy out the Glazers, then what do we expect next?

My first thought is that they want to be top dogs especially against City (UAE) and PSG ( Qatar), and flexing their muscles in the football 'arena' allows them another way of asserting themselves as number 1 force in Middle East.

Doing this, one would assume, would lead to increased spending on players to improve the squad first and foremost.

I think they would also invest in the infrastructure to include the stadium and training facilities, much like City did under their Emirati ownership, but one imagines that KSA would want to better whatever City have got.

There is a lot to be said of the way they are viewed, their politics and ongoing war. The same can also be applied to our current owners and their nationality. It will divide opinion and split the fan base no doubt, but we also need to realise that we are not going to be under some form of fan ownership either.
 
Devil77 said:
The US, despite it flaws, is still a country of free speech, a country where men and women are seen as equals (at least by the law). Don’t believe for a second that the Saudi regime is better or on par.

Still, this argument is flawed because we are not discussing a takeover by the US government (nor the UK’s dito). We are discussing the possibility of switching owners from a private entity to being state owned by one of the most oppressing and fundamental regimes in the world. How people can compare these two is beyond me.

Since Roman took over Chelsea and Abu Dhabi took control over City we have been calling these clubs plastics and their success has always been somewhat overshadowed by the fact that it was achieved due to financial doping. Still, a lot of posters here would happily see us going in the same direction while also being used as a propaganda tool for Saudi. Very sad indeed.

It’s hard to think about stopping supporting a club that has given one so much in terms of joy, thrill and frustration. But in the same time, how will it feel having to constantly justify your support? How good would the next title feel knowing what it took to get us there?
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I was not comparing the glazers to the Saudi state, I answered the specific subject of comparing the Americans and the Saudis. But you are also wrong if you are comparing governments, in my humble opinion which is worse depends on how many people lives are affected badly by these two governments. USA government destroyed countries and caused the death of millions around the world in the name of the USA, so it is debatable which is worse.
 
United have not been sold, well officially anyway. There maybe a deal agreed in verbal but of course, all the legalities would need to be sorted, which would take time.

They guy who reported it on on LinkedIn has also put it on Twitter and started somewhat a mini thread. Then, there is another certified journalist from SA who has put out a tweet asking how everyone would feel about an SA takeover.

Now, none of the above happens without the consent of MBS. If something happens without his consent, we all know what the consequences are. So although the club hasn't been sold, something is going on. Imo, a deal was in place last year, however, with the untimely killing of Khashoggi, it would have put the brakes on.
 
red thru&thru said:
United have not been sold, well officially anyway. There maybe a deal agreed in verbal but of course, all the legalities would need to be sorted, which would take time.
The guy who reported it on on LinkedIn has also put it on Twitter and started somewhat a mini thread. Then, there is another certified journalist from SA who has put out a tweet asking how everyone would feel about an SA takeover.
Now, none of the above happens without the consent of MBS. If something happens without his consent, we all know what the consequences are. So although the club hasn't been sold, something is going on. Imo, a deal was in place last year, however, with the untimely killing of Khashoggi, it would have put the brakes on.
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Did that guy have a wonky smile and was he wearing a suit for only the second time in his life?
 
Needham said:
Did that guy have a wonky smile and was he wearing a suit for only the second time in his life?
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No idea. But he's a verified account on Twitter and it seems the United report has seen his account with the biggest interactions. If Saudis were ever in doubt, they will know we are the biggest sports brand in the world...

 
All this drama!! If the Saudis take over then just stop supporting Utd and cirio! All governments big billionaires have shady things. I wouldn welcome the suadis and get rid of the glazer, we willbe back on the top. Stop moaning, you xant so anythijf, its not yoyr blood decision...you can go and support FC United or Stretford.
 
red thru&thru said:
No idea. But he's a verified account on Twitter and it seems the United report has seen his account with the biggest interactions. If Saudis were ever in doubt, they will know we are the biggest sports brand in the world...
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Conor McGregor
 
Scholsey2004 said:
No, an atheist is firm in his belief that there are no god's. An agnostic is unsure/unconvinced. To be both is a contradiction.
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Nope, this is a misconception of the term. Of both terms, as a matter of fact.

As the man who coined the term agnostic said:
It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe.
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This view is perfectly compatible with atheism: it is unknown or unknowable whether gods exist, therefore a man shall not profess belief in them.

Atheism merely means 'without god' - it encompasses those who categorically reject the concept, yes, but also those who simply do not believe in any god without asserting that gods definitely don't exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
 
Devil77 said:
The US, despite it flaws, is still a country of free speech, a country where men and women are seen as equals (at least by the law). Don’t believe for a second that the Saudi regime is better or on par.

Still, this argument is flawed because we are not discussing a takeover by the US government (nor the UK’s dito). We are discussing the possibility of switching owners from a private entity to being state owned by one of the most oppressing and fundamental regimes in the world. How people can compare these two is beyond me.

Since Roman took over Chelsea and Abu Dhabi took control over City we have been calling these clubs plastics and their success has always been somewhat overshadowed by the fact that it was achieved due to financial doping. Still, a lot of posters here would happily see us going in the same direction while also being used as a propaganda tool for Saudi. Very sad indeed.

It’s hard to think about stopping supporting a club that has given one so much in terms of joy, thrill and frustration. But in the same time, how will it feel having to constantly justify your support? How good would the next title feel knowing what it took to get us there?
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Brilliant..21 incoming!! We are already the richest club in the world, the saudis will just make sure all the money is spent.
 
tonnas said:
Brilliant..21 incoming!! We are already the richest club in the world, the saudis will just make sure all the money is spent.
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We’ve spent a ton of money in the last few years. Hasn’t really got us near winning a title or going further in the CL.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
We’ve spent a ton of money in the last few years. Hasn’t really got us near winning a title or going further in the CL.
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in reality we haven't spent anywhere near what our revenue should allow us - you could only really say that under LVG and Jose

we clearly haven't spent a ton of money the last 2 years
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
We’ve spent a ton of money in the last few years. Hasn’t really got us near winning a title or going further in the CL.
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True. But perhaps the threat of what Saudis do to people that they dont agree with will see us spend the money more wisely
 
tonnas said:
Brilliant..21 incoming!! We are already the richest club in the world, the saudis will just make sure all the money is spent.
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I hate to break this to you, but it won't be anytime soon. it took city a couple of years after poaching the barca staff and squad building. Honestly, you're better off supporting man city instead, they already play beautiful football and are well run, what's stopping you? Even if the saudis took over it would take a few years to put together a galactico squad and get them to gel before we see consistent results. Why make it difficult for yourself?
 
Skills said:
This probably sums it up. On another note, before the club gets sold to a sole owner, how is the share price set for the various investors who own the public traded shares?
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It is usually legally binding for the new owner to offer to buy back shares from the minority shareholders; usually at the same price per share as was determined with the majority shareholders.

It is a different case altogether if this new majority owner wants to take the company private
 
tonnas said:
All this drama!! If the Saudis take over then just stop supporting Utd and cirio! All governments big billionaires have shady things. I wouldn welcome the suadis and get rid of the glazer, we willbe back on the top. Stop moaning, you xant so anythijf, its not yoyr blood decision...you can go and support FC United or Stretford.
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There is a valuable lesson here people.

Posting on Redcafe whilst under the influence is never a good idea.
 
I really need for the club or someone in the know, close to the club to come out and deny these allegations.
 
tonnas said:
All this drama!! If the Saudis take over then just stop supporting Utd and cirio! All governments big billionaires have shady things. I wouldn welcome the suadis and get rid of the glazer, we willbe back on the top. Stop moaning, you xant so anythijf, its not yoyr blood decision...you can go and support FC United or Stretford.
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I think you've had one too many pal.
 
buckooo1978 said:
in reality we haven't spent anywhere near what our revenue should allow us - you could only really say that under LVG and Jose

we clearly haven't spent a ton of money the last 2 years
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Yep but even in those 2 seasons when we spent a ton of money, we still were nowhere near looking like we were title contenders.

Spending the money isn’t the problem. We could spend this £300M-£400M but there is no guarantee we will spend it wisely as proven in the last number of seasons.

Our problems stem much further than spending money. We don’t have a footballing infrastructure at this club. Woodward doesn’t have a clue on this side other than the sponsorship element. Someone like an experienced DoF would be massive. Someone that can look after the footballing side like a Ragnick, Mitchell, VDS etc.
 
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