Your replies have been cloudy and vague all night.So being clear and direct in what he represents.
Yeah, that's something that only applies to a very specific target market, meanwhile the rest of us can go with cloudy and vague.
Your replies have been cloudy and vague all night.So being clear and direct in what he represents.
Yeah, that's something that only applies to a very specific target market, meanwhile the rest of us can go with cloudy and vague.
Who lied less?
Corbyn 95%
Johnson 5%
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Who would you trust to watch your kids?
Corbyn 95%
Johnson 5%
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What did the leering Brexiteers say to Swinson when she turned up in a slightly tight top to their anti-immigration rally? (Oddly specific)
Get Them Out 50%
Get Them Out 50%
That's a massive sentence just to say "I have a gut feeling based on nothing".
Your replies have been cloudy and vague all night.
Glad that these Tory cnuts almost certainly winning the election makes you chuckle.
Farage on the beeb. Just now. I have to say he is at least crystal clear with his opinions like them or not. Answers questions directly.
Not like bumbling Boris or labours version of Beaker from the muppets.
Don't resort to that nonsense.
I think you need to check those statistics again.
Which confirms just how poor Corbyn was given his inability to make that stick.Still just blows my mind that the Tories can be in power for 9 years and then campaign to improve everything as if they aren’t responsible for it. I have no idea what they would actually need to do to lose voters.
I'm not the one being sarcy here. Come on, you know as well as I do that Corbyn can't be so clear cut as Nigel fecking Farage. He'd alienate far too many people.
They were clearly not for loving Corbyn aye. I was kidding anyway. You seem like you're out for a fight tonight.Obviously. However, the point was that at least he's still playing the game and it works for him. He is exactly who he is. Whereas with Corbyn, it's not really hard to see why he's painted as being on the fence and weak, when right here tonight he allowed Boris to carry on about the one thing we all knew he would.
You should read my posts again if you think they are cloudy and vague, I'm pretty sure they are very clear on Corbyn and Labour right now. Whereas you want more of the same, I want some real fight and a chance to change things. Moral high ground isn't going to win you an election or make the country better for us all. So laugh all you want, but burying your head in the sand and blaming it all on moderators, media and everything else is going to leave us even more fecked than we are right now.
They were clearly not for loving Corbyn aye. I was kidding anyway. You seem like you're out for a fight tonight.
That's all guesswork though, and more excuses.
"Oh it doesn't matter what he says, those people won't be watching!". This is not an attack on you my friend, I have plenty of time for you as you know, I'm just frustrated. I'm frustrated that time and time again you guys tell us that Corbyn is better than what the media present, there's an agenda, he's much smarter and better and debating...
Then we get that.
Again the bumbling fool is what a large part of the British public want. Boris is similar to Trump in this respect, showing Britain that Boris is an idiot will not change anything. There are real reasons why people like the tories and Johnston(Just one example - https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-problem-with-old-people.html)and few zingers in a hour debate won't change that.For me Corbyn slightly won. But a slight victory against Boris Johnson? Yeah, let's celebrate slightly being more composed than a man who's whole schtick is being a bumbling fool.
You have to tell me why this is the case, which so far you haven't. So ?My question is, how much longer will it be before you guys realise what disillusioned people who fall outside demographics, like me, already see? How many times do we go through this shit before we realise that the Labour party as they stand and are right now not the saviours we all want? They are a shambles, they are cowards and they are almost every bit as responsible for this mess as the cnuts in charge.
Again, I'll say, I'm convinced they are fecking happy being the shadow party and getting the paycheck and power involved. Otherwise, why not actually do something different, like at least have a fecking answer ready to the most obvious question Boris was going to stutter out of his fat mouth...
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That was bizzareThe groans of folk when Jeremy Corbyn brought up the poor suffering in the developing world due to climate change. What the feck is wrong with this country.
Exactly. When will people get it that the electorate in this country does care about the issues Labour raise, but it plainly doesn't think we have to resort to Marxism to fix them.I'm finding this election a bit like the last US one, in that if the Democrats had fielded a semi electable candidate they would've won. Labour wouldn't need an electoral genius to win this one, a Neil Kinnock or Gordon Brown would've done.
I'm surprised to see people thinking Corbyn should have called out all of Johnson's lies, they only had 20 seconds or so for each response he'd have had to dedicate it all to being a fact checking servic such is the volume of them.
He actually called out the biggest one on hospitals and it was hard hitting. Still it's an amusing thought that they might be anyone out there who isn't already aware that Johnson is just lying.
Tories have been in power for nearly a decade and can't point to a single positive thing that they've done in that time. They have just chipped away at the institutions that our society relies on (education, health, housing, etc). Working people are having to use food banks to feed their families. Head teachers are cleaning toilets and sending begging letters to parents so they can provide the basics for their children's education. Elderly people are regularly waiting on trolleys for hours in corridors in hospitals. The numbers of police, firemen, nurses, GPs- all cut.
Meanwhile, the debt has increased massively. How? If you haven't been spending it on doctors, nurses, police, teachers, housing, social care, pensions, wages, etc... Where the hell has the money gone?
But Corbyn is a communist. Get Brexit done. Our laws, our borders, points based system. Wonky glasses. Oven ready. 20,000 more police. I like paying for broadband. WTO terms. Blah blah blah.
Turkeys voting for Christmas. The mind boggles.
I thought that. It seemed the posters on here wanted him to descend into tit for tat bickering. I don't think it would have looked good. In such a format he just needed to get across what Labour are offering fundamentally. On the issue of antisemitism, if he'd gone after the Tories on Islamophobia it would have come across as him deflecting and hiding from Labours own issues.
I do think he could have promoted the idea of Labour being a party of hope and optimism a lot more though. I also think the 4 day week is an own goal. It instinctively seems like a crazy and absurd idea to most people and just confirms their preconceived notions of the Labour left not living in the real world.
Aye he massively failed on that question. McDonnel has been defending it on the airways all week perfectly by saying it's an ambition that will come about in the next decade due to automation and increased productivity not an enforced idea.
He also failed on the green question in my view. Labour have a big distinction there in actually promising funding to tackle it but perhaps he was thrown by the "oh here we go" guy.
Tories have rebranded their Twitter account factcheckUK - or was it fatcheckUK?
Believe me I'm in manufacturing and have been all my life and they said exactly that when the first computer controlled machines started to be introduced in the 1980's. All the talk was 'what on earth were we all going to do with our extra spare time'. The same happened when robotic assembly lines sprang up in the 90's and when AI started to gain ground in the 00's. I have been waiting 40 years for this so-called 4 day week. I do not see it happening for at least another 40, if at all.
I thought that. It seemed the posters on here wanted him to descend into tit for tat bickering. I don't think it would have looked good. In such a format he just needed to get across what Labour are offering fundamentally. On the issue of antisemitism, if he'd gone after the Tories on Islamophobia it would have come across as him deflecting and hiding from Labours own issues.
I do think he could have promoted the idea of Labour being a party of hope and optimism a lot more though. I also think the 4 day week is an own goal. It instinctively seems like a crazy and absurd idea to most people and just confirms their preconceived notions of the Labour left not living in the real world.
Believe me I'm in manufacturing and have been all my life and they said exactly that when the first computer controlled machines started to be introduced in the 1980's. All the talk was 'what on earth were we all going to do with our extra spare time'. The same happened when robotic assembly lines sprang up in the 90's and when AI started to gain ground in the 00's. I have been waiting 40 years for this so-called 4 day week. I do not see it happening for at least another 40, if at all.
Tories have been in power for nearly a decade and can't point to a single positive thing that they've done in that time. They have just chipped away at the institutions that our society relies on (education, health, housing, etc). Working people are having to use food banks to feed their families. Head teachers are cleaning toilets and sending begging letters to parents so they can provide the basics for their children's education. Elderly people are regularly waiting on trolleys for hours in corridors in hospitals. The numbers of police, firemen, nurses, GPs- all cut.
Meanwhile, the debt has increased massively. How? If you haven't been spending it on doctors, nurses, police, teachers, housing, social care, pensions, wages, etc... Where the hell has the money gone?
But Corbyn is a communist. Get Brexit done. Our laws, our borders, points based system. Wonky glasses. Oven ready. 20,000 more police. I like paying for broadband. WTO terms. Blah blah blah.
Turkeys voting for Christmas. The mind boggles.
The cats out of the bag now, but Labour really shouldn't have brought this up at this point. This isnt about the merits of the policy, its the fact that we're in a General Election and there just isnt the bandwidth to have a nuanced conversation about anything. As you say, the whole concept is counter intuitive, people need to get to grips with the concepts underpinning it all before they can make a judgment. Corbyn's response didnt help, he said words along the lines of how we'll get as much work done in four days as five, which isn't even really the argument in favour of a national four day week. Someone working in a factory, or in a cafe or as a security guard will hear that and it wont ring true, because for them it isnt. Given that we wouldnt even see meaningful progress towards that aim in the entire next Parliament, they should have waited until after they'd won and started chipping away over the next few years.
Don't get the high unemployment bit. I can't get staff for love nor money.A 4 day week is much better than the current system which has high unemployment and high rewards for businesses who can replace workers with automation.
Sturgeon is as close to Farage as you'll get in terms of delivering a message. He's a sneaky little shit and I detest him, but, he is very, very clear.
Not a bad summary. Ultimately Corbyn did far better, but not enough to sway many people, and didn't land as many punches as some would like, although wasn't given the opportunity to really.I think he played it in such a way as to cover his own weakness. Corbyn is simply not the kind of guy who can come up with a single line response that quickly cuts to the heart of an issue in a debate context. And in that TV format, where responses were being cut off overly quickly by the presenter, it would have looked worse, he'd have just been sloganeering over Boris the way that Boris was to him.
But a better orator/thinker would have been able to cut through Boris' BS. The opportunity was there, its just that Corbyn wasn't equipped to take advantage and so did the next best thing and played it safe.
I'm finding this election a bit like the last US one, in that if the Democrats had fielded a semi electable candidate they would've won. Labour wouldn't need an electoral genius to win this one, a Neil Kinnock or Gordon Brown would've done.