What exactly was the drivel?
Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)
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She must have repeated "Trump, Johnson and Farage" about 16 times, very tedious.
Every single one of her answers got those 3 into the answer.
My hope is that in a decade or so, their dwindling circulations would have dissapeared entirely.
I think, even if they win this election, Tories have a bleak future ahead of them. Apart from Brexit, they have no new ideas. It is the same old small government, tough on crime, etc. I guess it is pretty hard to have exciting new ideas when your only reason for being is to maintain the same existing power structures. I cannot believe they still manage to capture people under 30.
Can't be bothered to fact check that, but surely it is no more tiresome than any of the three-word slogans Johnson has on rotation?
Yeh, I'm deliberately lieing, ffs!
And, did I say Johnson was any less tiresome? Since we are discussing Rayner, not Johnson, why would Johnson come into the discussion?
How about saying, "but not a tedious as Klopp or Pep", while you are at it?
Sorry that was lighthearted. I had assumed you were exaggerating. Did you actually count the number of times she mentioned each of those three words in each of her answers? Well done, if so!
What I should have said was she was no more repetitive than any other politician in the middle of a campaign. Johnson is the best example of this. Except he was doing it even before the campaign.
Corbyn was repeating much the same mantra this morning. Obviously, this constant linking of the three for public consumption is deliberate.
Probably for the people who would never think of voting Tory but may end up voting for the Brexit Party. Also the whole "Thatcher on steroids line" thing he came out with.
The tactic of repeating 'Johnson will flog the NHS to Trump' seems sound enough...unsure about the 'Trump will swap America for a dvd' one.
I don't know if its a good or bad thing that Labour are fully embracing the cheapening of political discourse.
There's no doubt that part of what's directed at Corbyn is absolute nonsense (of which that Sun photoshop stunt is a recent example).
But when you equate criticism of Corbyn to painting him as "some despicable Jew-hating reincarnation of Hitler", you're creating a strawman. The reality is that political mudslinging and valid criticism both exist and partly intermingle. I'd expect from Corbyn critics not to resort to cheap attacks (which in light of current thread events goes to @esmufc07), and from critics of the hysterical sides of anti-Corbynism not to use it as a convenient opportunity to shut down legit criticism.
But that's not the whole context either, isn't it?
I mean, Corbyn has cooperated with Iranian regime affiliated broadcast Press TV. He has spoken on Quds Day rallies, whose history with you surely know, and where Khomeini quotes and Hezbollah flags consequently belong to the scenery. He was a guest speaker on a Khomeinist event commemorating the Iranian revolution. Other examples have been posted (and largely ignored). There's obviously a closeness of his brand of anti-imperialism to the political camp (in broad terms) he called friends there. That's surely something people can be scared of, especially those who potentially find themselves in the crosshairs of Islamist antisemitism.
Isn't it necessary to keep that in mind as well when assessing the "friends" statement? I also don't think that's strictly neutral diplomatic talk, but usually reserved for allies - I guess we can all agree Corbyn wouldn't call the Israeli government "friends" for the sake of peace talks.
I make the point here I'm forced to make in practically every discussion of this sort: if the benchmark for criticizing racism, misogyny, antisemitism, homophobia etc. is someone being a rabid individual hater, we can all go home. It's impossible to tackle this stuff on that basis. In reality, any sort of hatred against a group is a case of a smaller violent avantgarde, relying on a much larger camp of ideological enablers and apologists (who often don't see themselves as such).
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Or it's simply because the soundbites in question happened in the immediate aftermath of the announcement that the Brexit party had changed their strategy of not cooperating with the Conservatives literally a week or so after Trump publicly suggested Farage form a pact with Johnson on LBC. With that in mind, it reads more like natural point of discussion based on a timeline of recent events than some grand pavlovian strategy.
Republicans, lobbyists and Trump specifically have been trying to get this "the left is anti-semitic" trope going in the States for a while now after seeing how successful it's been over here but it's not really gained much steam due to the majority of media outlets out there refusing to play ball.
I think it has more to do with american jews being more left leaning. But they still did it successfully with Ilhan Omar.
Johnson Trump Farage, seems an entirely legit grouping and one worth warning against.
All speak highly of each other, they all share a penchant for pantomime spectacle. They all are happy to court the far right, indulge in racist language. If the voting goes their way, then by next year they could be the three most influential and powerful political voices in the west for the foreseeable.
Blair and Bush were far less alike politically and personally than these three but were often spoken about in partnership.
Vote Blair get Brown. Vote Lib Dem get Miliband.
Vote Johnson and you get the nasty lot and also the extra nasty on top. Voting Tory may very well bolster Farage and Trump.
Johnson Trump Farage go together like Inky, Blinky, Pinky and Clyde. Trying to keep you from the NHS medicine. Vote PAC Man.
All speak highly of each other, they all share a penchant for pantomime spectacle. They all are happy to court the far right, indulge in racist language. If the voting goes their way, then by next year they could be the three most influential and powerful political voices in the west for the foreseeable.
Blair and Bush were far less alike politically and personally than these three but were often spoken about in partnership.
Vote Blair get Brown. Vote Lib Dem get Miliband.
Vote Johnson and you get the nasty lot and also the extra nasty on top. Voting Tory may very well bolster Farage and Trump.
Johnson Trump Farage go together like Inky, Blinky, Pinky and Clyde. Trying to keep you from the NHS medicine. Vote PAC Man.
The Ilhan Omar spectacle actually ending up backfiring massively though as it rallied her local base and ultimately pushed the Democrats to circle their wagons around her. Plus the amount of traction it gained on the right was more of a product of their penchant for Islamophobia than people actually internalising this false notion that the left is inherently anti-semitic all of a sudden.
She would not have lost any votes for Sanders. The Islamaphobics were never going to vote for him anyways.
Honestly people have lost their minds.
The schwein.
Corbynischter
I admit I noticed his weird pronunciation of the name, but... it's just a weird pronunciation of a name.
Corbyn isn't that smart.
Honestly people have lost their minds.
Yeah I saw David Baddiel tweet this earlier today. There’s enough genuine antisemitism concerns surrounding Corbyn and the Labour Party without having to resort to daft things like this.
Honestly people have lost their minds.
That's odd, I click the link and all I get is just the video but no criticism
Who’s criticising him exactly?
Yeah I’m out, this is insane.
Worth saying this what Baddiel was doing in the 90's
Kind of reminds me of when the Corbynistas lost their shit over the BBC using footage of Corbyn holding a Russian children's toy.
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"It's pronounced 'Fronkensteen..."
That really is mental.
Honestly people have lost their minds.
I noticed it last night, but I don't think there's anything in it. I feel Jezza handled the Jewish question very well.
Bit confused I didn’t realise there was a Jewish way to pronounce Epstein. Thought it was more dependent on one being German and the other being more Russian.
It's pronounced 'Hey Zeus'.Jesus!
Oh wait...
Is that not a Beatles song?
Zionist pig!
For an English or American person, you’d always pronounce it “steen”. Like Brian Epstein, the Beatles’ manager. None of this is relevant to Corbyn’s views on anti-semitism but it is a bit surprising he pronounced his name like a Bavarian beer glass.