The “Ole In” Brigade

[Dec9003]

I guess you could argue it either way, but jose called mctominay his player of the year so i'd say he was already established personally. I don't think people were saying the same of kane at that point. And even if you count him thats one player. Maybe greenwood at a stretch (still early days). No one else the previous poster listed is established.

People weren’t saying it of Scott bar Jose though, who was using him to prove a point. If he was really his player of the year, he’d have picked him more than 6 times the season he was sacked.
None of them are established, no, but that’s largely due to Ole being at United for about a year and Poch spending about 5? Years at Tottenham before being sacked.
The likes of Greenwood, James, AWB, Axel maybe will be counted as established in time, and they’re all already integrated into the first team.

 

[Eriku]

Yes. Look at posts in all Ole threads. Most of posts from us( there are always some bad examples of course) are about Ole and Ole only.
On the other hand, usual answers are based to insult poster. ( "pathetic, negative, moaner, glory hunter, not true fan, go support City", etc...etc...).

On the very same page we get this:

The thread is still in heated discussion.

I came into conclusion:

Ole In: Delusional, clueless, accepting mediocrity, no ambition.

Ole out: We know what's best for the club because we can see it that others can't.

No point in arguing.

So I'll just sit down here and read this shit show.

We constantly hear about the Ole-in cult, or that the likes of us are to blame for United’s fall from grace, ot as in the post above that we are clueless and delusional.

So get off your high horse, both sides are being quite twatty at times.

 

[meamth]

On the very same page we get this:



We constantly hear about the Ole-in cult, or that the likes of us are to blame for United’s fall from grace, ot as in the post above that we are clueless and delusional.

So get off your high horse, both sides are being quite twatty at times.

That's why I'm done debating about Ole in or out.

It's pointless, better just to witness this until we won something or someone is sacked.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

My oh my. Must be interesting to have such astral view of football, living in a make-believe world of fantasy

If you think Ole is such a tactical mastermind why has he lost to Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth etc? Hmm maybe cos he isn’t & all he has is counter attack which isn’t a valid form of style throughout a season

 

[alexthelion]

Ok then. I’m staggered half of you fans want a manager who’s clearly not good enough while the rest of the league see as a non entity and no threat anymore, yet you’ll defend him to the ends of the earth for no logical reasons. That staggers me

I'm going to use my last post of the day for this.

You and others are constantly spouting that Ole is clearly not good enough but you never actually say why he's not. Citing Cardiff from years ago is just lazy, especially because of the state thy were in before he even got there. Can you not see the progress both behind the scenes and also on the pitch this season? And as for those who are abusing Ole, moron this, Gollum that, you should be ashamed to call yourselves United fans. As for accepting lowering our standards, accepting mediocrity etc., nope, it's the realisation that we have to take a step backwards to go forward. It's accepting that, for this season, we may not end up as high in the table as we want. I, for one, am prepared to endure that because I believe with the young players coming through and with some more (shrewed) signings we will be on the up and up in coming seasons.

 

[Eriku]

That's why I'm done debating about Ole in or out.

It's pointless, better just to witness this until we won something or someone is sacked.

But why throw insults around? Why make offensive assumptions about people just because they disagree?

 

[meamth]

But why throw insults around? Why make offensive assumptions about people just because they disagree?

I'm confused, is that a general question about current situation or something I posted?

If it's about this fiasco, it's normal for people who think like he is the only right one in an argument. Insults to rattle that person they arguing with, to win arguments and be satisfied that they have won.

 

[OleTheGreat]

As a proud member of the “Ole in” brigade, I’m getting tired of seeing the same lazy criticisms of us/the manager gathering likes on the Caf and Twitter.

I wanted to address them all in one place, hopefully some fellow sensible supporters will be able to add their own arguments

1) “The love for Ole is all based on nostalgia and reverence for an ex-Red”

Not true. I’ve never seen a single argument from a pro-Ole supporter saying that he should remain in the job because he is an ex-player/club legend. This argument has been made up by the anti-Ole brigade, who have then proceeded to get angry at their own argument.

2) “Utd have made their worst start/worst away record/worst this/worse that”

Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Anybody who expected any more from this season, with this squad and these players was always setting themselves up for a fall. Re-adjust your expectations based on reality.

3) “Ole is a failed Cardiff manager”

So what? People need to get over this idea that the success or failure of a club begins and ends with the manager.

4) “Jose Mourinho blah blah blah”

I liked Jose but with the benefit of hindsight, he had completely lost the plot in that 3rd season. Also, the man left over a year ago...let’s stop going on about it.

5) “We’re Man Utd, we should be doing X,Y....”

Means nothing. We’re currently an irrelevant club with mediocre players run by a clown and owned by shareholders looking to make a quick dollar. We’ve no divine right to win anything or sign any player because “we’re Man Utd”

6) “Ole is a poor Coach”

No evidence for this. People are obsessed with the idea of coaching but (most) of these players are 20+....you can’t make them play slicker, faster football just by “coaching”. Same way Pep can’t coach his philosophy to certain players, difference is City have been well-run for ten years so their squad needs minor tweaks every year not major surgery.

Well you have points in here that pretty much sums up my thoughts and i think with a few more better players in areas like the RW and midfield, we can get many more wins against the smaller teams as well. If only we had managed to win against Sheffield, Everton, Crystal Palace, Watford, Newcastle and teams like that, we'd comfortably be in the top4 and Ole's name would've been proudly sung everywhere but since we didn't he's been criticized by the fans. I think his has started to make things clear in the press now and has completely used this season to put together a proper squad that can really go for the title next season and i guess we all should've known about it a little earlier.

It's only fair to say this when we are in 7th after half a season and 4 points away from 4th place but let me remind you guys that we're where we're only because other teams have squandered as well, or it would be even worse. Like 11th position for Arsenal, what happened there?! I hope to see more from Ole and i hope he sticks around for a long long time because i think he'll give them players more confidence and keep smiling at them and them reporters until his last day at the club. We need a league title soon and i hope and wish it's the 2020/2021 season!

 

[Eriku]

I'm confused, is that a general question about current situation or something I posted?

If it's about this fiasco, it's normal for people who think like he is the only right one in an argument. Insults to rattle that person they arguing with, to win arguments and be satisfied that they have won.

Was what you wrote sarcastic? That shit doesn’t necessarily translate into text well, especially when your take on the Ole out crowd uses the pronoun "we", showing which side of the argument you’re on. If it’s not sarcasm then you’re calling the other side clueless and deluded.

 

[meamth]

Was what you wrote sarcastic? That shit doesn’t necessarily translate into text well, especially when your take on the Ole out crowd uses the pronoun "we", showing which side of the argument you’re on. If it’s not sarcasm then you’re calling the other side clueless and deluded.

Oh no, you must be mistaken. I'm 100% behind Ole.

It's just my point of view on this whole Ole In/out situation.

We have 2 regimes who constantly recycle the same arguments, over and over again.

Same shyte, and I think I need to stop trying to argue about wheter Ole should stay or not.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

If you think Ole is such a tactical mastermind why has he lost to Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth etc? Hmm maybe cos he isn’t & all he has is counter attack which isn’t a valid form of style throughout a season

Nobody thinks Ole is a tactical mastermind.

If he (ever) turns out to be a success (all is relative in that regard, of course - but we can all agree that frequent shite displays against the likes of Watford isn't acceptable), it's extremely unlikely that he will turn out to be a tactical mastermind. His most eager supporters don't expect this, so why bring it up?

 

[Eriku]

Oh no, you must be mistaken. I'm 100% behind Ole.

It's just my point of view on this whole Ole In/out situation.

We have 2 regimes who constantly recycle the same arguments, over and over again.

Same shyte, and I think I need to stop trying to argue about wheter Ole should stay or not.

Ah, ok. Nevermind then, I totally agree.

Gah, I can’t be arsed to go trawling for another example to throw to that rafael bloke.

 

[meamth]

Ah, ok. Nevermind then, I totally agree.

Gah, I can’t be arsed to go trawling for another example to throw to that rafael bloke.

It's funny when you read it.

When we win, Ole ins will comment the same thing about plan, youth, progress.

When we lose, the threads will be swarmed with ole outs throwing insults and degrading Ole.

And then they argue, and make out.

The end.

 

[Bilbo]

Seems undeniable, indeed.

No matter what one feels about Pogba, as such, he obviously adds a great deal to our attacking game when he's on reasonable form. Two trivial (but telling, in this context) incidents yesterday:

a) he sits fairly deep initially, picks up the ball, plays a simple pass (to Fred, I think - possibly Pereira), then pushes up quickly to make himself available, gets the ball back and immediately releases it, one-touch, out wide with precision and speed.

b) he sits fairly deep (again), plays a simple pass (again) and then goes on a dangerous run into the box, reading the play perfectly, dragging opposition players along.

Nothing came of either incident - but a) we have no other player capable of impacting the game in anything like that fashion and b) he was playing as a CM alongside Fred, not in what most consider his best position.

We're four points off Chelsea in 4th at the moment. Pogba, injury free and reasonably motivated/in reasonable nick, for the entire season - and, yeah, I'd say it's obvious we would've picked up more points.

Fully agree, and I like it a lot when people pick out moments in a match that didn't necessarily lead to anything, but highlight something nonetheless.

I've said many times that this team lacks two things that will address our issues against defensive opponents. (1) a midfielder or two that go beyond the ball and (2) a poacher. Fingers crossed that we can address the poacher problem with Haaland and Pogba has shown clearly in 2 halves of football how much of an impact it can make to have a midfielder that instinctively reads a passage of play and gets into the box at the right time.

Haaland (or another similar player) and another forward thinking midfielder (2 if Pogba leaves) and I'm very confident that we will start to put these matches away consistently.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Nobody thinks Ole is a tactical mastermind.

If he (ever) turns out to be a success (all is relative in that regard, of course - but we can all agree that frequent shite displays against the likes of Watford isn't acceptable), it's extremely unlikely that he will turn out to be a tactical mastermind. His most eager supporters don't expect this, so why bring it up?

Surely Manchester United should have a manager who’s tactically astute & one of the best???

 

[fastwalker]

As a proud member of the “Ole in” brigade, I’m getting tired of seeing the same lazy criticisms of us/the manager gathering likes on the Caf and Twitter.

I wanted to address them all in one place, hopefully some fellow sensible supporters will be able to add their own arguments

1) “The love for Ole is all based on nostalgia and reverence for an ex-Red”

Not true. I’ve never seen a single argument from a pro-Ole supporter saying that he should remain in the job because he is an ex-player/club legend. This argument has been made up by the anti-Ole brigade, who have then proceeded to get angry at their own argument.

2) “Utd have made their worst start/worst away record/worst this/worse that”

Could. Not. Give. A. Monkeys. Anybody who expected any more from this season, with this squad and these players was always setting themselves up for a fall. Re-adjust your expectations based on reality.

3) “Ole is a failed Cardiff manager”

So what? People need to get over this idea that the success or failure of a club begins and ends with the manager.

4) “Jose Mourinho blah blah blah”

I liked Jose but with the benefit of hindsight, he had completely lost the plot in that 3rd season. Also, the man left over a year ago...let’s stop going on about it.

5) “We’re Man Utd, we should be doing X,Y....”

Means nothing. We’re currently an irrelevant club with mediocre players run by a clown and owned by shareholders looking to make a quick dollar. We’ve no divine right to win anything or sign any player because “we’re Man Utd”

6) “Ole is a poor Coach”

No evidence for this. People are obsessed with the idea of coaching but (most) of these players are 20+....you can’t make them play slicker, faster football just by “coaching”. Same way Pep can’t coach his philosophy to certain players, difference is City have been well-run for ten years so their squad needs minor tweaks every year not major surgery.

Full credit to you for defending your position. I actually really respect you for doing that and having the courage to open yourself up for challenge.

I must say that the best and most powerful arguments for the "Ole outers" are some of the statements that you put forward as rebuttals. The undeniable truth is that if Ole had never played for United he would he would not be manager of the club. There is absolutely nothing in Ole's resume that qualifies him to manage a club of the stature and standing of United. Sadly, Ole's situation is compounded by the fact that by his own admission United's development is progressing slower than he had expected only serves to underline the fact that Ole does not seem to have the answers.

Also look at some of his public statements about his squad (particularly midfield) implying at the start of the season that it was good enough when even casual observers could see that it was not. Add to that his recent statement that we should "expect more results like that" (I think after the Everton game) and you get a sense of someone falling over themselves to lower expectations to avoid having to face difficult questions.

To be honest, I have seen nothing that convinces me that Ole is the right man for the job. Obviously I will continue to support him as I did his predecessors, but let's not deceive ourselves, Ole's predecessors were dismissed for less.

 

[Eriku]

It's funny when you read it.

When we win, Ole ins will comment the same thing about plan, youth, progress.

When we lose, the threads will be swarmed with ole outs throwing insults and degrading Ole.

And then they argue, and make out.

The end.

Sign of the times. Problem is that the most dedicated and vocal people occupy the extremes in the spectrum. Much like in matters of politics and the like, I reckon there’s a 90 percent group sat in the middle, while 10 percent on either side make most of the noise and distorting reality for everyone.

I used to love being on the Caf, now it’s one of the things that saddens me the most. Outside of real shit, that is.

 

[rotherham_red]

it doesn’t take ‘balls’ to not have any ambition anymore & to keep using the ‘I’m building for the future’ excuse all the time. A man who said’ you win some, you lose some’ doesn’t take balls. He isn’t good enough, knows he has a safe job & you lapdogs keep lapping it up. Do you know what enjoy mid table mediocrity. Can’t wait til we hire a decent manager again

This would be a good argument if he was saying this after 3 or even 2 seasons, but he's barely been here for a full season and that too, he came in midway through last season.

And to answer your point, I am actually enjoying this season in parts, and I've learned to take the rough with the smooth cos we have gutted the squad which finished 6th and have had numerous injuries to key players. For us to be anywhere near 4th is a testament and a credit to the players and Ole. And I'll support them for as long as they're here.

Also, I hope you were consistent and didn't celebrate or even smile when we beat spurs and city a couple of weeks ago. If/when the inevitable happens and Ole is gone because of the impatient, ungrateful and frankly idiotic elements of this club's support, I hope you have the same energy for Poch or whoever comes in next. Cos I don't think it'll be pretty, at least in the early stages if his past career, and his past etiquette when the spotlight is on him, is anything to go by.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

This would be a good argument if he was saying this after 3 or even 2 seasons, but he's barely been here for a full season and that too, he came in midway through last season.

And to answer your point, I am actually enjoying this season in parts, and I've learned to take the rough with the smooth cos we have gutted the squad which finished 6th and have had numerous injuries to key players. For us to be anywhere near 4th is a testament and a credit to the players and Ole. And I'll support them for as long as they're here.

Also, I hope you were consistent and didn't celebrate or even smile when we beat spurs and city a couple of weeks ago. If/when the inevitable happens and Ole is gone because of the impatient, ungrateful and frankly idiotic elements of this club's support, I hope you have the same energy for Poch or whoever comes in next. Cos I don't think it'll be pretty, at least in the early stages if his past career, and his past etiquette when the spotlight is on him, is anything to go by.

what nonsense are you talking about. Of course I celebrated us winning any game. Just because I want Ole out doesnt mean I can’t support the team..is that seriously your argument?

Wow the Ole in lot are a cult

 

[rotherham_red]

Pretty much. Obviously you need half decent players too. Which makes it even more of a clue that Ole isn’t good enough and has no actual plan against other teams as he has no ability to actually do that like a world class manager could

Just when I think your posts couldn't be more stupid, you drop the bar even lower

If beating good teams was so simple and easy, why haven't more teams around our level beaten them?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Let's be honest. Pogba is worth an easy 6 points for the time he's been out, we'd be sitting comfortable in 4th and the Ole brigade would be looking silly.

We were both unlucky with injuries and naive in going into the season with a lack of creativity (I actually think he expected more from Andreas).

Is he? Our results whenever Pogba was fit and playing were pretty much the same as they have been since he's been out.

People have used both Pogba and Martial as scapegoats for our poor form whenever they've been out and I've never gotten that because even with both fit we were still basically averaging the same sort of performances and points. Martial came back and we still did and now Pogba is back and we probably still will too.

I think people need to go back to the Pogba thread's from when he actually was fit and look at all the complaining being done about him in there because he wasn't producing enough, before proclaiming that he is some Messi esque remedy to our issues that's worth loads of extra points when he's actually available, because he isn't

Pogba is the best player at this club but he's not the sort of player that transforms a team's fortunes single handedly. He's not a goal scoring or assist machine and he generally only performs at his best when those around him are also performing at their best.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Just when I think your posts couldn't be more stupid, you drop the bar even lower

If beating good teams was so simple and easy, why haven't more teams around our level beaten them?

Because..read my post again a bit more clearly.

We actually don’t have such a terrrible squad- you need good players to do that & beat top teams- counter attack is a easy thing to use too. Which is more of a damming indictment against Ole that we obviously have half decent players but have been rubbish against the dross in the league.

Hope you can understand & reach that bar my friend

 

[Tom Cato]

Is he? Our results whenever Pogba was fit and playing were pretty much the same as they have been since he's been out.

People have used both Pogba and Martial as scapegoats for our poor form whenever they've been out and I've never gotten that because even with both fit we were still basically averaging the same sort of performances and points. Martial came back and we still did and now Pogba is back and we probably still will too.

I think people need to go back to the Pogba thread's from when he actually was fit and look at all the complaining being done about him in there because he wasn't producing enough before proclaiming that he is some Messi esque remedy to our issues that's worth loads of extra points when he's actually available, because he isn't

Pogba is the best player at this club but he's not the sort of player that transforms a teams fortunes single handedly. He's not a goal scoring or assist machine and he generally only performs at his best when those around him are also performing at their best.

The point about pointing to injured key player is that if they play the game, the entire game turns out differently than if they were not playing. Not a single ball trajectory besides the kickoff remain the same.

 

[rotherham_red]

what nonsense are you talking about. Of course I celebrated us winning any game. Just because I want Ole out doesnt mean I can’t support the team..is that seriously your argument?

Wow the Ole in lot are a cult

No, be consistent. You asked me to enjoy being midtable, I asked you if you had the same energy when we beat city and spurs.

Just shows that you're nothing more than a hypocrite, and someone whose opinion on this I cannot take seriously, which your previous posts have also shown (hilariously so, as well)

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Surely Manchester United should have a manager who’s tactically astute & one of the best???

Yes. But "astute" is a long way from "mastermind".

What people are arguing here is that Ole, at present, simply doesn't have the tools to consistently beat "lesser" opponents (who don't accommodate us, who sit back and deny us the chance(s) to capitalize on imbalances created by them having a go): we don't have enough creativity, we don't have a truly outstanding allround attacker, and we don't have a top notch poacher either.

We also have a generally youthful and inexperienced squad - and with that comes, predictably, inconsistent performances.

Furthermore, we play in a league where even relegation fodder teams possess enough quality to pose a problem on their day. The cliche actually holds true: you can't just turn up and expect to win in England these days - look at City: lose some momentum, have a couple of badly timed injuries, and presto - you're a country mile behind the leaders, right in the middle of a dogfight for 4th.

Any generally "astute" manager might struggle to string together consistent performances with a squad lacking in certain areas. An actual tactical "mastermind" might overcome those deficiencies, sure. But how many who fit that bill are around?

If your stance is that Ole is not even "astute", fair enough. But then you're faced with the fact that his United are currently four points off 4th. Rub of the green next round - and we're talking a couple of points off, perhaps even just ONE. What's the angle, then? He's absolutely terrible - but the team/squad (which most seem to think is clearly lacking) is actually quite brilliant? Does that make sense?

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

The point about pointing to injured key player is that if they play the game, the entire game turns out differently than if they were not playing. Not a single ball trajectory besides the kickoff remain the same.

Sure. I would say had De Gea got injured all seasons we would be better off too.

It is hard to know. I think our run with defeat against West Ham, Newcastle and draw with Arsenal could have been better with less injuries though.

 

[rotherham_red]

Because..read my post again a bit more clearly.

We actually don’t have such a terrrible squad- you need good players to do that & beat top teams- counter attack is a easy thing to use too. Which is more of a damming indictment against Ole that we obviously have half decent players but have been rubbish against the dross in the league.

Hope you can understand & reach that bar my friend

And it seems you didn't heed you're own advice either, when I asked about teams at around our level (I.e. Spurs, City, and Arsenal). If this was such an easy tactic, why isn't it replicated by those teams with an arguably better set of players? Why are we second only to Liverpool in the big 6 games? Our set of players, who finished 6th last season, btw.

Keep reaching, and don't give up darling. You'll get there one day, I'm sure.

 

[Paxi]

So, you are saying if he wins every game people will stop attacking him? How generous of them!

Newsflash: we will lose games again, including stupid ones because we have unbalanced and inconsistent team that lacks depth. That is why he said this year is not about results. We need several transfer windows to get consistency and balance and no amount of yelling on Caf is going to change that

Where exactly did I say that he needed to win every game? So far as I can remember, I said the next two and then try to put a run together in fixtures that are winnable. Believe it or not, Solskjaers win ratio is still terrible even with yesterday's win. It's still not good enough - so pipe down.

 

[Lynty]

Is he? Our results whenever Pogba was fit and playing were pretty much the same as they have been since he's been out.

People have used both Pogba and Martial as scapegoats for our poor form whenever they've been out and I've never gotten that because even with both fit we were still basically averaging the same sort of performances and points. Martial came back and we still did and now Pogba is back and we probably still will too.

I think people need to go back to the Pogba thread's from when he actually was fit and look at all the complaining being done about him in there because he wasn't producing enough, before proclaiming that he is some Messi esque remedy to our issues that's worth loads of extra points when he's actually available, because he isn't

Pogba is the best player at this club but he's not the sort of player that transforms a team's fortunes single handedly. He's not a goal scoring or assist machine and he generally only performs at his best when those around him are also performing at their best.

We'll see

 

[Massive Spanner]

The point about pointing to injured key player is that if they play the game, the entire game turns out differently than if they were not playing. Not a single ball trajectory besides the kickoff remain the same.

What you're basically doing there is agreeing with me because the poster I was responding to said Pogba would be an extra six points but if nothing is the same then it's absolutely impossible to try claim something like that.

 

[Paxi]

What you're basically doing there is agreeing with me because the poster I was responding to said Pogba would be an extra six points but if nothing is the same then it's absolutely impossible to try claim something like that.

Think we've 2 wins in 6 with Pogba playing iirc. He's not the silver bullet some seem to think he is. You know what is, good fecking coaching.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

No, be consistent. You asked me to enjoy being midtable, I asked you if you had the same energy when we beat city and spurs.

Just shows that you're nothing more than a hypocrite, and someone whose opinion on this I cannot take seriously, which your previous posts have also shown (hilariously so, as well)

Ole doesn’t = the club. Stop talking nonsense you’re embarrassing yourself

 

[90 + 5min]

If you think Ole is such a tactical mastermind why has he lost to Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth etc? Hmm maybe cos he isn’t & all he has is counter attack which isn’t a valid form of style throughout a season

Nobody think that. But just for fun to prove that it is not black or white. How come we are only team taken points from Klopp? How come Ole went to Etihad and took away 3 points? How come we won against Chelsea twice, Tottenham and Leicester? If Ole is clueless and a catastrophic manager? I’m realy curious what your answer is. Because lucky is not the answer.

 

[NewGlory]

Where exactly did I say that he needed to win every game? So far as I can remember, I said the next two and then try to put a run together in fixtures that are winnable. Believe it or not, Solskjaers win ratio is still terrible even with yesterday's win. It's still not good enough - so pipe down.

What does "winnable" even mean for us? We beat City and lost to Watford. There is no definition of "winnable" to this team. We can win any game, but we dont have the depth and squad to do it consistently, so you are just setting up your argument to bash on Ole when we lose next. Way too thinly veiled, mate!

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Nobody think that. But just for fun to prove that it is not black or white. How come we are only team taken points from Klopp? How come Ole went to Etihad and took away 3 points? How come we won against Chelsea twice, Tottenham and Leicester? If Ole is clueless and a catastrophic manager? I’m realy curious what your answer is. Because lucky is not the answer.

Because we don’t have as bad a team as is claimed. We should be doing much much better. With a better manager we would be but ah well champions league is gone again

 

[NewGlory]

Nobody think that. But just for fun to prove that it is not black or white. How come we are only team taken points from Klopp? How come Ole went to Etihad and took away 3 points? How come we won against Chelsea twice, Tottenham and Leicester? If Ole is clueless and a catastrophic manager? I’m realy curious what your answer is. Because lucky is not the answer.

They have been asked this question and the Ole Out have no answer to it. It is obvious that tactically inapt manager would not succeed in the games Ole did, so they start yapping about losses instead, as if we have a squad to be consistent.

By the way - we do not lose every game where teams sit back, that is factually incorrect, but they keep saying it anyway

 

[lysglimt]

Where exactly did I say that he needed to win every game? So far as I can remember, I said the next two and then try to put a run together in fixtures that are winnable. Believe it or not, Solskjaers win ratio is still terrible even with yesterday's win. It's still not good enough - so pipe down.

It's not good enough - it certainly isn't terrible (unless you compare it to Guardiola and Klopp)

Last time I checked it was at exact 50% but it could be a percentage or 2 up or down. Not great, not terrible

 

[2 man midfield]

Ole out bellends not a bad game that really was it? Give the guy the tools he l get results

These were exactly the same players available during the Watford result?

 

[lysglimt]

Because we don’t have as bad a team as is claimed. We should be doing much much better. With a better manager we would be but ah well champions league is gone again

Of course we don't have a bad team, but we dont have a brilliant side. And in order to beat teams like City and Liverpool, not a bad team wont cut it. We do however we have 3-4 players who aren't good enough. No one in their right mind can argue against that - but a bigger problem is our squad, it's just not good enough. And with our injuries this season - we will suffer..as we have.

But a question to you … if our players arent as bad as you say - you agree OGS has to take a lot of credit for transforming Fred and Rashford, for signings 3 players who play regularly and for giving youngsters like Greenwood a chance then ?

 

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It's not good enough - it certainly isn't terrible (unless you compare it to Guardiola and Klopp)

Last time I checked it was at exact 50% but it could be a percentage or 2 up or down. Not great, not terrible

It's woeful as permanent United manager.