The “Ole In” Brigade

Josep Dowling said:
Pep got the job because he had done very well with the Barcelona B side and implementing Cruyff’s total football’s ideas.

Zidane was a strange appointment but I guess they knew the squad was merely keeping the morale, something top coaches couldn’t do before him. I’m not sure he’s regarded as a top coach by most. Having Ronaldo certainly helped him win.

Ole’s achievements are no better than Graham Potter. Actually Potter’s CV is much better because he did okay in the Championship as well. So how does he get job offers at a club like Brighton and the other gets the job at Manchester United?

I have nothing against Ole and we all want it to work but I don’t believe he’s the right man for the job. Why should we trust him to make the rebuild when there is no evidence he can do it, blind faith? It’s like a FTSE100 company employing a director with 3 years experience at an SME. You have to work your way up the ladder.

He has no record of building a team. The football hasn’t exactly been amazing. We had a good game against Spurs and a good 25 minutes against City. Today‘s game was more to do with Newcastle’s errors than us creating loads. He hasn’t changed anything from Jose’s tenure imo, the players bulk when any pressure is applied to them, i.e the chance to make top 4.

I would trust someone like Poch who built that Spurs team as it looks now, and coach the likes of Kane and Alli to become better players. We have a bigger budget and arguably a better youth system. That’s why I would prefer him whilst he’s available. Saying he hasn’t won a trophy really frustrates me. It’s about the improvement he made to that entire team, the exact same thing he did at Southampton before that.
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Pep managed Barcelana B for a whopping season! He won the league yes but come on, its hardly a CV that screams qualified for Barcelona Manager.

ZZ had more experience, achieved more and was given the Real job.

Neither of Pep or ZZ had a record of building a side either but there you go.
 
Keefy18 said:
Pep managed Barcelana B for a whopping season! He won the league yes but come on, its hardly a CV that screams qualified for Barcelona Manager.

ZZ had more experience, achieved more and was given the Real job.

Neither of Pep or ZZ had a record of building a side either but there you go.
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Having no cv is better than getting relegated.

At least the previous one has more benefits of doubt.

And for all the bravadoes ole hasnt proved his cardif stint to be an outlier. We are midtablish under him.
 
Sky1981 said:
Having no cv is better than getting relegated.

At least the previous one has more benefits of doubt.

And for all the bravadoes ole hasnt proved his cardif stint to be an outlier. We are midtablish under him.
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What utter crap.

Have you any idea the state Cardiff were in at the time? They were pretty much relegated by the time he took over the club anyway.

When he took over on Jan 2nd 2014, Cardiff were 16th on 18 pts from 19 games.

The owner was causing all kinds of controversy, there was fan protests and members of the board caught up in legal battles.

But yeah, all Ole's fault.
 
Keefy18 said:
What utter crap.

Have you any idea the state Cardiff were in at the time? They were pretty much relegated by the time he took over the club anyway.

When he took over on Jan 2nd 2014, Cardiff were 16th on 18 pts from 19 games.

The owner was causing all kinds of controversy, there was fan protests and members of the board caught up in legal battles.

But yeah, all Ole's fault.
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It's never ole's fault.

Cardiff is shit
United is shit
120m isnt enough
Having martial isnt enough
Wait till he gets his first xi

120m spent. 8th after 20 games.

excuses, excuses, and more excuses
 
Sky1981 said:
It's never ole's fault.

Cardiff is shit
United is shit
120m isnt enough
Having martial isnt enough
Wait till he gets his first xi

120m spent. 8th after 20 games.

excuses, excuses, and more excuses
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Jesus how old are you? Six?

Feckin hell you post like a complete an utter spoiled brat child!

Why is your thinking so binary? It's never all of one thing or the other, you don't need to be so absolute.

Your first comment above absolves everything other than Ole...he is the singular point of blame to you and nothing else. Which is in a single word, idiotic.

There clearly were mitigating factors at Cardiff and now at United.

At Cardiff I've listed them to you clearly and you have a feckin hissy fit in return. He walked into a club completely in turmoil, is that his fault?

With headlines like the story below - kind of gives you an idea what was going on at the club.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...owner-in-the-history-of-football-9019743.html

120m gets you a Jaoa Felix these days in football, your acting like Ole has had an embarrassment of riches last summer to spend.

Seriously, chill out, show some patience with him and stop posting like a stroppy child.
 
Sky1981 said:
Yeah. But one yardstick for mourinho and the extreme other for ole. All in the name of progress.

There's people wanting him to be sacked for finishing 2nd, miles behind city. Yet probably the very same people want him him to be given more time for finishing 6th.
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I was all time for Mourinho. I still think that have he got his way with new players we would be better off. I still like him and rate him as a top class. However, with things he did in the preseason and his behaviour under the season there was no way we could keep him.

Sky1981 said:
It's never ole's fault.

Cardiff is shit
United is shit
120m isnt enough
Having martial isnt enough
Wait till he gets his first xi

120m spent. 8th after 20 games.

excuses, excuses, and more excuses
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If Norwich spent 120m on lets say Ronaldo. Do you think they would suddenly be top4? 120m is nothing anymore in todays market. You are overrating our players and I think you don't realy know what state the club was in when Ole took over. And what kind of job had to be done and still needs to be done.
 
Keefy18 said:
Jesus how old are you? Six?

Feckin hell you post like a complete an utter spoiled brat child!

Why is your thinking so binary? It's never all of one thing or the other, you don't need to be so absolute.

Your first comment above absolves everything other than Ole...he is the singular point of blame to you and nothing else. Which is in a single word, idiotic.

There clearly were mitigating factors at Cardiff and now at United.

At Cardiff I've listed them to you clearly and you have a feckin hissy fit in return. He walked into a club completely in turmoil, is that his fault?

With headlines like the story below - kind of gives you an idea what was going on at the club.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...owner-in-the-history-of-football-9019743.html

120m gets you a Jaoa Felix these days in football, your acting like Ole has had an embarrassment of riches last summer to spend.

Seriously, chill out, show some patience with him and stop posting like a stroppy child.
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I stand corrected.

Maybe ole is the real deal, he'll lead us to the promised land next year. Or will there be more excuses? He already written off this year anyway.

Maybe once we have 0 injuries, 500m spent, and a freak season where no one in the team made mistakes and no forwards missed a chance.

He alteady backtracks on most of his last season statement. But somehow 3 is the magical number. Chill out guys, ole got this.
 
Sky1981 said:
I stand corrected.

Maybe ole is the real deal, he'll lead us to the promised land next year. Or will there be more excuses? He already written off this year anyway.

Maybe once we have 0 injuries, 500m spent, and a freak season where no one in the team made mistakes and no forwards missed a chance.

He alteady backtracks on most of his last season statement. But somehow 3 is the magical number. Chill out guys, ole got this.
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More binary thinking.

I don't think I've seen many say Ole is the holy grail and certain to lead us to glory, there's uncertainty from all supporters. Weather they want to stick or get rid.

Reality is this, Man City have spent 500m on a defence alone and lost as many games as us this season.

The league is extremely competitive and aside from Liverpool & Leicester (up to recently) the best winning streak in the league was 3 wins on the bounce.

The club had one man rule...Everything in SAF.

We failed to modernize and other clubs over took us, same thing happened to Liverpool from the 70/80s.

Don't fire back to me this b*llicks about "but were United" cause its a moronic and means absolutely nothing when we previously went 26 years without a title.

Since the sale of Ronaldo the club has largely been mismanaged from all. Fergie lost his touch in judging players and invested poorly, Gill tucked his tail and hid the minute his golden goose was gone and the fecker still takes a pay day from the club offering little in return. Woodward was left high and dry, has made poor decisions, our scouting has been rubbish and generally over paid for flavor of the month players leaving countless managers to force square pegs into round holes.

Our problems were there PRE Ole and expecting quick fixes is not the way to go.
 
Sky1981 said:
I stand corrected.

Maybe ole is the real deal, he'll lead us to the promised land next year. Or will there be more excuses? He already written off this year anyway.

Maybe once we have 0 injuries, 500m spent, and a freak season where no one in the team made mistakes and no forwards missed a chance.

He alteady backtracks on most of his last season statement. But somehow 3 is the magical number. Chill out guys, ole got this.
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Ole has in no way written off this season. Top four is still a possibility (4 pts behind Chelsea, should Lampard be ousted?), as is the EL, LC and FAC.

It’s incredible what a horrible spin you put on everything.
 
Keefy18 said:
More binary thinking.

I don't think I've seen many say Ole is the holy grail and certain to lead us to glory, there's uncertainty from all supporters. Weather they want to stick or get rid.

Reality is this, Man City have spent 500m on a defence alone and lost as many games as us this season.

The league is extremely competitive and aside from Liverpool & Leicester (up to recently) the best winning streak in the league was 3 wins on the bounce.

The club had one man rule...Everything in SAF.

We failed to modernize and other clubs over took us, same thing happened to Liverpool from the 70/80s.

Don't fire back to me this b*llicks about "but were United" cause its a moronic and means absolutely nothing when we previously went 26 years without a title.

Since the sale of Ronaldo the club has largely been mismanaged from all. Fergie lost his touch in judging players and invested poorly, Gill tucked his tail and hid the minute his golden goose was gone and the fecker still takes a pay day from the club offering little in return. Woodward was left high and dry, has made poor decisions, our scouting has been rubbish and generally over paid for flavor of the month players leaving countless managers to force square pegs into round holes.

Our problems were there PRE Ole and expecting quick fixes is not the way to go.
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So.. if in 3 years we failed to challenge the league, it's not ole's fault.

Basically you're giving ole a blank slate.

Of his job as manager, what do you actually hold him responsible for? honestly? do tell me.
 
Sky1981 said:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ole...l-be-used-to-find-next-season’s-squad.452415/
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Admitting that this season in part will be about giving people chances and figuring out next season’s squad is not the same as saying we’re giving up on trophies, and he’s since given interviews where he’s been clear about wanting to challenge for all the trophies we’re involved in. Seriously, it’s weak as feck to infer somethint from one interview, and then to ignore all the times he directly speaks to the point you’re talking about. It’s disingenuous.
 
Sky1981 said:
So.. if in 3 years we failed to challenge the league, it's not ole's fault.
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Did I say that?

You really are incapable of conducting adult discourse clearly.

Managers deserve time and a level of backing, surely you agree that much?

Has Ole had sufficient funds to compete yet? No. Your idiotic attempts to try label 120m which was basically made back in player sales is a pittance.


Sky1981 said:
Basically you're giving ole a blank slate.
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No I'm not.

You are creating statements that I've never once posted.

He has on occasion been tactically naive no doubt about it, he is a young manager and still learning. I'm not sold on some of his quotes in press conferences or the like but when also applying common sense and the reality of the situation the club is in, it sometimes makes sense.


Sky1981 said:
Of his job as manager, what do you actually hold him responsible for? honestly? do tell me.
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Ultimately the buck will stop with Ole.

But in the here and now, I'm not sure how you can be so binary and blame him for so much.

Is it Ole's fault the club has been mismanaged prior to his arrival?
Is it Ole's fault the squad is poor?
Is it Ole's fault the board didn't deliver a centre mid and replacement for Lukaku?

He's responsible for on field matters, player performances etc.

  • By an large our performances are a feck tonne better to watch then the majority of what Jose or LVG gave us.
  • He's phased out Matic, Valencia, Young and Lukaku who were regulars for Jose and instead given us McTominay, AWB, Williams and Greenwood who will all likely be at the club a long time and have far great up side than any of the former listed.
  • The average age of our team has done a complete 180. The average age of our starting XI barely made the top 20 youngest line ups last season, this season we dominate it and with youth you get inconsistency, color me shocked!
 
Keefy18 said:
But in the here and now, I'm not sure how you can be so binary and blame him for so much.

Is it Ole's fault the club has been mismanaged prior to his arrival?
Is it Ole's fault the squad is poor?
Is it Ole's fault the board didn't deliver a centre mid and replacement for Lukaku?

He's responsible for on field matters, player performances etc.

  • By an large our performances are a feck tonne better to watch then the majority of what Jose or LVG gave us.
  • He's phased out Matic, Valencia, Young and Lukaku who were regulars for Jose and instead given us McTominay, AWB, Williams and Greenwood who will all likely be at the club a long time and have far great up side than any of the former listed.
  • The average age of our team has done a complete 180. The average age of our starting XI barely made the top 20 youngest line ups last season, this season we dominate it and with youth you get inconsistency, color me shocked!
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First bold: yes, partly.
Second bold: No, not in a million years. :lol:

And as far as phasing Valencia, Young and Matic out, it's not exactly like he had a choice. Any other manager would have done the same. He also did not bring us McTominay (Mourinho did) or AWB (Hodgson). I know you'll say "but he signed AWB" and yeh, because our scouting department declared him the best RB signing out of a list of hundreds of possibles. He can't take much credit for that. The only positively good decision Ole has made with regards to players that I think he can "own" outright is deciding that Lukaku didn't fit the bill as a United striker.
 
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hobbers said:
First bold: yes, partly.
Second bold: No, not in a million years. :lol:

And as far as phasing Valencia, Young and Matic out, it's not exactly like he had a choice. Any other manager would have done the same. He also didn't not bring us McTominay (Mourinho did) or AWB (Hodgson). I know you'll say "but he signed AWB" and yeh, because our scouting department declared him the best RB signing out of a list of hundreds of possibles. He can't take much credit for that. The only positively good decision Ole has made with regards to players that I think he can "own" outright is deciding that Lukaku didn't fit the bill as a United striker.
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First bold bit - Explain? How?

"Not in a million years" - Seriously?

Are you seriously telling me you long for days of possession for possessions sake? Maybe you prefer Jose's flat back 8 where Martial and Rashford as our wide attackers doubled up as full backs?

The last 2 seasons we averaged 13 shots per game in the league, this season we currently average 15 shots per game.

We are a feck tonne more entertaining to watch this year than we have been in at least 4 seasons!

There are of course games where its a tough watch still but generally I've enjoyed our games from an entertainment perspective and haven't an ounce of dread like Moyes, boredom like LVG and Jose!

hobbers said:
And as far as phasing Valencia, Young and Matic out, it's not exactly like he had a choice. Any other manager would have done the same.
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Talk about creating shit to throw at a manager.

Why didn't LVG or Jose phase out these players then? Why did they both consider Young and Valencia as regulars? Jose played Matic into the ground! The amount of mins he played was nothing short of absolutely insane and that was regardless of his form nose diving off a cliff!

hobbers said:
I know you'll say "but he signed AWB" and yeh, because our scouting department declared him the best RB signing out of a list of hundreds of possibles. He can't take much credit for that. The only positively good decision Ole has made with regards to players that I think he can "own" outright is deciding that Lukaku didn't fit the bill as a United striker.
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More made up bollicks!

If you bother to read Andy Mittens article about our summer transfer dealings Ole actually bypassed our scouting and trusted close confidants like Phelan (who had worked with Maguire previously), Neville who worked with AWB in the England camp and finally Giggs who recommended James.

Seriously pal, Do yourself a favor and read up on those close to the club and know what's what. Or just create stories to suit your anti Ole agenda like you have here.
 
The teams' success takes much more than a great coach. We often think that talent equals success as if everything and can be bought with money and a great coach. Although both helps, the reality of individual talent can be quite inconsistent in team sports. The outcome of success depends on many other factors, making the result unpredictable. If it was that easy to click a finger and get the best coach available and boom we have the success we crave then we'd be deluded. Sports does not work to an exact science.
 
If we analyse most European leagues it the biggest teams that keep churning out trophies despite changes in management. Seems clubs structure and wealth is what breeds success. Its an anomaly for so-called smaller teams to win not the norm.
 
Sultan said:
The teams' success takes much more than a great coach. We often think that talent equals success as if everything and can be bought with money and a great coach. Although both helps, the reality of individual talent can be quite inconsistent in team sports. The outcome of success depends on many other factors, making the result unpredictable. If it was that easy to click a finger and get the best coach available and boom we have the success we crave then we'd be deluded. Sports does not work to an exact science.
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Absolutely agree!

Posters like Sky1981 and others seem to think if we just get the best coach we'll suddenly become successful.

Pretty sure the vast majority of our supporters said the same when sacking LVG for Jose. Most felt it was a certainty Jose would get us back to greatness. His CV was superb, won everything there was to win, won leagues all over etc etc... still didn't work.

Yet here we are, still an army of supporters thinking its as simple as changing manager and everything is perfect.

Klopp isn't the only reason Liverpool are great, he owes a feck tonne of praise to Edwards for getting deals done and the scouting department.

Sultan said:
If we analyse most European leagues it the biggest teams that keep churning out trophies despite changes in management. Seems clubs structure and wealth is what breeds success. Its an anomaly for so-called smaller teams to win not the norm.
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Only thing I'd say here is clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have a monopoly on their leagues, we don't.

I mean, there's been a whopping 3 different clubs win La Liga since 2005, two of them are Real and Barca! It's a mickey mouse league in reality, every bit as bad as Scotland in terms of competitiveness.
 
Keefy18 said:
Absolutely agree!

Posters like Sky1981 and others seem to think if we just get the best coach we'll suddenly become successful.

Pretty sure the vast majority of our supporters said the same when sacking LVG for Jose. Most felt it was a certainty Jose would get us back to greatness. His CV was superb, won everything there was to win, won leagues all over etc etc... still didn't work.

Yet here we are, still an army of supporters thinking its as simple as changing manager and everything is perfect.

Klopp isn't the only reason Liverpool are great, he owes a feck tonne of praise to Edwards for getting deals done and the scouting department.



Only thing I'd say here is clubs like Real, Barca and Bayern have a monopoly on their leagues, we don't.

I mean, there's been a whopping 3 different clubs win La Liga since 2005, two of them are Real and Barca! It's a mickey mouse league in reality, every bit as bad as Scotland in terms of competitiveness.
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There is no army thinking that, so stop chatting shit.
 
Keefy18 said:
First bold bit - Explain? How?

You, like several others, seem happy to blame Moyes, Mourinho and LVG for their transfer work, or lack thereof. Why does the same standard not apply to Ole? He made the decision to not push for a striker, he said so himself. Either he's telling the truth or he's lieing to cover up for Ed. Either way it doesn't reflect well on him.


"Not in a million years" - Seriously?

Yeah I've totally loved watching our blistering "performances" against Wolves, Wolves, Everton, City, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Wolves, Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Rochdale, Newcastle, Bournemouth, Sheffield, Villa, Everton and Watford. Or in other words, in 17 of Ole's first 29 domestic matches as permanent manager. Take any of the "performances" in those 17 games and stack them up against what we've seen previously. The level has been as bad, if not worse, as Mourinho in full meltdown mode last season. As bad as it was at it's absolute worst under LVG. And as bad as it was under Moyes from start to finish. You'd have to be absolutely deranged to dispute that.


Are you seriously telling me you long for days of possession for possessions sake? Maybe you prefer Jose's flat back 8 where Martial and Rashford as our wide attackers doubled up as full backs?

I long for the days of winning football matches convincingly against most of the bottom 12 teams in the league, as we did for the majority of Jose's reign.


We are a feck tonne more entertaining to watch this year than we have been in at least 4 seasons! Yes, if you're an opposition fan looking for an upset (not that anything counts as an upset any more under Ole).


Why didn't LVG or Jose phase out these players then? Why did they both consider Young and Valencia as regulars? Jose played Matic into the ground! The amount of mins he played was nothing short of absolutely insane and that was regardless of his form nose diving off a cliff!

Because these players were not 'past it' under LVG or Jose......? Are you actually for real? Matic had a great first season here under Jose, then his form fell off a cliff. Valencia was a solid right back during LVG's reign and again in the campaign we finished second.


More made up bollicks!

If you bother to read Andy Mittens article about our summer transfer dealings Ole actually bypassed our scouting and trusted close confidants like Phelan (who had worked with Maguire previously), Neville who worked with AWB in the England camp and finally Giggs who recommended James.

Woodward explained the process of scouting AWB to the fecking UWS fanzine in his interview with them. It was a scouting department-driven signing, same as Maguire. From the horse's mouth. Get over it. Whether Ole had a quick chat with Neville and Phelan beforehand to gauge their personalities is totally irrelevant, they did not drive the signings. What fecking moron would sign two players for £140m based solely on Neville or Phelan's opinions? :lol: And why on earth would actually you be happy with Ole if that was indeed the case? Jesus Christ.
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Honestly some of these points are so asinine you just look like a wum. If you're not a wum you must be borderline delirious about Ole and lost in your own nostalgia.
 
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Keefy18 said:
Yet here we are, still an army of supporters thinking its as simple as changing manager and everything is perfect.
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What absolute drivel.

Pretty much to a man here on the caf we have been desperate for a DoF and the huge majority of posters have for years criticised the way we do transfers. What rock have you been living under to make that statement?
 
Sky1981 said:
It's never ole's fault.

Cardiff is shit
United is shit
120m isnt enough
Having martial isnt enough
Wait till he gets his first xi

120m spent. 8th after 20 games.

excuses, excuses, and more excuses
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I have yet to hear any of the staunch Ole In crowd blame him for ANYTHING. Not a single thing is his fault yet any positives are all his doing. Our manager has zero accountability.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Shit results and performances against shit teams. It's never his fault it's the players yet when we win it's all his doing
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I don't know about others but I do agree that generally, the manager's responsible for the results. I guess the question is, are those performances and results a sackable offence at this stage?
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
This must be one of the stupidest posts on here for a while. And topped off with a cocky green smilie too, makes it all the more idiotic.
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Do you have anger issues that need addressing? See a therapist, posting here and cursing people out is not a free therapy for you. In every post you call somebody an idiot and every opinion that isn't exactly yours is apparently idiotic. Sarcasm is also totally lost on you. It's annoying AF. Get help.
 
Sky1981 said:
Having no cv is better than getting relegated.

At least the previous one has more benefits of doubt.

And for all the bravadoes ole hasnt proved his cardif stint to be an outlier. We are midtablish under him.
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Winning a league title is a better CV than managing a B team, yes?
 
Sky1981 said:
It's never ole's fault.

Cardiff is shit
United is shit
120m isnt enough
Having martial isnt enough
Wait till he gets his first xi

120m spent. 8th after 20 games.

excuses, excuses, and more excuses
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Do your parents know you're on the internet?
 
NewGlory said:
Do you have anger issues that need addressing? See a therapist, posting here and cursing people out is not a free therapy for you. In every post you call somebody an idiot and every opinion that isn't exactly yours is apparently idiotic. Sarcasm is also totally lost on you. It's annoying AF. Get help.
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Dont forget the part where having a different opinion is 'having an agenda'.
 
I am frustrated with inconsistency and some poor performances as much as anyone else but the players are actually responding to Ole. As long as Poch is available, Ole is going to have to prove himself every single day over and over again but I like most of the stuff that I see from this side. Especially after that Newcastle game, I see our players getting better and I can see a pattern of play that this team wants to play. And this is something that we have not seen for a long long time.
 
Stadjer said:
Dont forget the part where having a different opinion is 'having an agenda'.
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You do know I've claimed someone has an "agenda" like twice in the past year @Stadjer, both times defending Maguire. The first was devilish claiming Maguire isn't very good because he was part of an England defence that "collapsed both against Croatia and Holland", completely ignoring the fact that Jones Stones was massively at fault for every goal in those games. The second was you claiming you "don't buy" that Pep wanted Maguire, despite Pep himself admitting it.

If they are not driven by an agenda from the poster to prove themselves and their beliefs correct, what is? You also completely ignored the point I made regarding the slower than Maguire, Mats Hummels playing for a Jörgen Klopp gegenpressing side which further compounded my belief that you were not willing to debate with anyone or listen to words from Guardiola himself when you'd already made your mind up regarding Maguire.

But we've gone through this and I have plenty of debates with people who have different opinions. I get plenty of stuff wrong here, for example I was certain Mourinho would change his ways if he was ever given his dream United job, I thought Depay would be a wonderful proper United signing. I'm sure there's a tonne more down the years as aside from Moyes and Fellaini, I've gotten a lot wrong since SAF retired.
 
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NewGlory said:
Do you have anger issues that need addressing? See a therapist, posting here and cursing people out is not a free therapy for you. In every post you call somebody an idiot and every opinion that isn't exactly yours is apparently idiotic. Sarcasm is also totally lost on you. It's annoying AF. Get help.
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I understood it was sarcastic, that was entirely why it was idiotic. And I never call anyone an idiot, I criticise the post, not the poster.

And no, you'll see I'm in the Herrera thread having a different opinion to many, but I don't think anyone who loved Herrera or who makes a post claiming he is sorely missed is making an idiotic post. I think Matic still has plenty to give as a squad player, but I won't claim any post disagreeing is idiotic.

If I see a post that is beyond daft though, it's hard not to mention it. So idiotic posts are idiotic, different opinions are great, that leads to good debate.
 
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I do hate the over emotional/insulting replies that are far too common on internet forums, including this one.

Anyway back to Ole, I'm part of the Ole in brigade for the reasons set out by @keeefy18 i.e. re balancing of the squad, phasing out of unsuitable players and more entertaining football plus the courage to give younger players a chance(I said at the start of the season, that putting his faith in rashford and martial and not replacing lukaku and Herrera would be his downfall, but credit to him for that).

I also like his record in the big games which is crucial for a manager at a big club. This is something that moyes and even poch were poor at. I think it tells a lot about a manager. I'm not so worried about the record against the smaller teams, that will come, yes we should have won most of those games, but Rome wasnt built in a day etc.

I think ole has done enough to be given more time. Will he lead us back to the promised land? I dont know but who else is there? Poch did well on a budget at spurs but so did Moyes at everton.
 
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