The “Ole In” Brigade

[NewGlory]

stating facts pal. Has the worst win ratio of any manager we have had in the past 30 years, maybe even longer. Why do we need to go through another 4-5 managers to prove how crap he is.

Ole... It's time to go!

Because you need enough data to make assertions we've only had 3 other managers to compare him to, except none of them even tried to do a rebuild. Can't compare "stats" of a rebuild to the non-rebuild efforts.

Either way, there are things to definitely be concerned about, but "worst manager in 30 years" is just a gross exaggeration.

If you want to discuss specifics, yes - he has a problem with making changes in a game too late. Like I said, subs should have come around 30th minute when it became clear that our starting lineup was a disaster. Whether that would have helped or not is still unclear, because having watched the entire game - nobody on that field had any desire to move their asses. Maybe it was exhaustion, maybe the whole Jan 1st shit, and hungover, but that team was doomed the moment they set their feet on the pitch. Still Ole should have tried more, even if the result was gonna be the same. It's his job.

 

[Tel074]

Better than Chelsea. Better than Arsenal. And even better than Spurs when you factor in the issues they have over their key players all wanting to leave.

Winks and Sissoko is not in any way a better midfield than McTominay and Fred, for example.

With the way things have gone against Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs in the last year or so, any competent manager would have this United squad finishing ahead of them.

Send me some of those drugs please . Chelsea's squad is a million miles better than United's . They are a CB away from being a really good side .

They have at least 4 or 5 midfielders who would walk into our side plus have Lofus Cheek and Hudson Adoi , Willian who would all start for United

 

[Kurton]

There is not a shred of a doubt that he should have made subs before the second goal, way before even the half-time, because we got lucky like 5 times there and it was obvious we were going to concede with the players we had on the field.

That said, the whole "worst manager we have had in the past 30 years" is still nonsensical exaggeration, because

1. Well, for the most of the past 30 years we had the best manager in the history of football - SAF, so obviously anybody is worse than him
2. Since then we've had:
   1. Moyes - clueless twat, who Ole is not worse than
   2. LvG - a soon-to-be-retired flop who was never going to build for long-term. So, no Ole is still not worse than him
   3. Mourinho - one of the most decorated coaches ever. Was never going to be our long-term solution and failed to deliver on short-term so while he is not worse than Ole, comparing him with Ole is like comparing apples with oranges.

We will need to go through at least 4-5 more managers before we can declare Ole "worst manager of the decade". And that will be a decade, stop trying to sneak-in "30 years" curveball

What a stupid post that is. Moyes managed Everton in the premier league for over a decade managing to finish in upper half of the table on most occasions and even finishing in at 4-5 positions a few times. LVG had won league titles in several countries and took his national team to the semi-finals of world cup just before joining us. Some of his teams were a joy to watch. When did you start watching football, from the last 6 years? Ole will have done great if he can achieve even a quarter of what they have achieved as managers. If Moyes was clueless, then the only comparable word for Ole is brain dead. A classic example of manipulating and hiding facts to suit the delusion.

 

[NewGlory]

Point is, you stick to your team for the most part. I'd understand the frustration if he was keeping someone really good on the bench, but what are his options really?

You are more-or-less correct but not all cases are comparable. Yesterday was a case of "you gotta do something right now" and waiting was crazy. Also, not all managers wait. Case in point is Lampard who brought Jorginho in at 34', in a very similar situation against Arsenal, and it worked.

Again, judging by the overall game, everybody was so deflated and unwilling to play on the United side, that there was no winning of that game. Ole should still have made subs earlier.

 

[gerdm07]

That's just not true though. We were just as inconsistent and poor earlier in the season when they were all fit. We drew with Wolves, lost to Crystal Palace, and drew with Southampton at the beginning of the season with those players available. They were also all available during our terrible run-in last season.

Our record with Martial is better than our record without him but we've still lost to both Watford and Arsenal recently with him available. It doesn't matter who we have fit, it's always the same, we are incredibly inconsistent, we suck against the poor teams and we usually put in a good counter-attacking performance against a big-team when we come across them. That has been the case all season regardless of who is or isn't fit.

I'll agree there is more to it. Those players were available at the start of the season but do you remember how bad Fred and Perreira were? McTominay was just okay and still learning. Pogba was virtually all alone in midfield with little good help. You can't get good results with an average midfield.
.
Now Fred is pretty good and Pogba and McT are out. (BTW, doesn't Ole get credit for developing Fred into a solid midfielder?) My point is Ole has rarely had a full squad that was healthy and most of the players in form. It's always been something whether injury or poor form (now Lingard is useless and Perreira is okay). In summary:

1st month: Fred dismal, McTominay okay
2nd month: Martial injured, Fred still useless, McTominay growing
3rd month: Pogba injured, Fred okay, McTominay playing well
4th month: Pogba injured, James losing his legs, Fred playing well
Now: Pogba and McTominay out, Lingard useless, James inconsistent, Fred becoming a rock

My timing may not be perfect but you get the point. Ole rarely has had a good side to work with.

 

[NewGlory]

What a stupid post that is. Moyes managed Everton in the premier league for over a decade managing to finish in upper half of the table on most occasions and even finishing in at 4-5 positions a few times. LVG had won league titles in several countries and took his national team to the semi-finals of world cup just before joining us. Some of his teams were to joy to watch. When did you start watching football, from the last 6 years? Ole will have done great if he can achieve even a quarter of what they have achieved as managers. If Moyes was clueless, then the only comparable word for Ole is brain dead. A classic example of manipulating and hiding facts to suit the delusion.

Blah, blah, blah and more blah. Who cares what Moyes and LvG had done before United? We are talking about their record with United. And besides, Ole will finish around 6th with a very young United team, this year, so Moyes "finishing in upper half" with Everton is not impressing anybody. Clean the garbage out of your own logic, before accusing anybody of delusion.

 

[Gehrman]

Because you need enough data to make assertions we've only had 3 other managers to compare him to, except none of them even tried to do a rebuild. Can't compare "stats" of rebuild of non-rebuild efforts.

Either way, there are things to definitely be concerned about, but "worst manager in 30 years" is just a nonsensical statement.

If you want to discuss specifics, yes - he has a problem with making changes in a game too late. Like I said, subs should have come around 30th minute when it became clear that our starting lineup was a disaster. Whether that would have helped or not is still unclear, because having watched the entire game - NOBODY on that field had any desire to move their asses. Maybe it was exhaustion, maybe the whole Jan 1st shit, and hungover, but that team was doomed the moment they set their feet on the pitch. Still Ole should have tried more, even if the result was gonna be the same. It's his job.

Lvg absolutely did a rebuild. Mourinho cleared out what he deemed deadwood too.

 

[Gehrman]

Blah, blah, blah and more blah. Who cares what Moyes and LvG had done before United? We are talking about their record with United. And besides, Ole will finish around 6th with a very young United team, this year, so Moyes "finishing in upper half" with Everton is not impressing anybody. Clean the garbage out of your own logic, before accusing anybody of delusion.

So far this is our lowest point tally in the league for around something like 30 years. Which means OGS league form is worse than our previous 3 failed managers.

 

[Foxbatt]

Well he was starting that process with the squad he left us when he retired.

I do not think you have seen Fergie manage Aberdeen then? There was life of Fergie before Manchester United. He was a very successful manager in his own right before he came to Manchester United. He had a track record of winning big trophies before he came to United. This was the reason why he was hired by United. Not because he was a nice guy with a smiling face.

 

[passing-wind]

Send me some of those drugs please . Chelsea's squad is a million miles better than United's . They are a CB away from being a really good side .

They have at least 4 or 5 midfielders who would walk into our side plus have Lofus Cheek and Hudson Adoi , Willian who would all start for United

That's absolute rubbish, if their squad is a million miles than what's Barcelons's or PSG out of the stratosphere ? The distinction of this Chelsea squad being good is only on the premise of their performances this season. A good 75% of posts in summer predicted Chelsea to finish 6th from multiple threads I had seen. Jorginho was one of the worst midfielders in the league last season, Kante was played out of position under Sarri, RLC hardly ever featured along with Barkley. Kovacic did nothing of note under Sarri either. The effectiveness of Chelsea's midfield is all to do with the team dynamic Lampard has provided. Chelsea like us have a predominantly youthful side but at the stem of their inadequacies is a coach who is more evolved then what we have at our disposal.

I actually think there are a few managers who would do alot better with this team than the current capabilities under Ole. When you consider Solskjaer has no credible history of developing players at a competitive level, I'm not sure why fans seem to think he's the only useful manager in world football suitable for Manchester United.

Some of the love Ole gets on here is an absolute embarrassment. I'm behind people supporting Solskjaer but many might aswell have a vaccume cleaner up his behind.

 

[NewGlory]

So far this is our lowest point tally in the league for around something like 30 years. Which means OGS league form is worse than our previous 3 failed managers.

Again with the out-of-context stats. Maybe you should play Bingo, instead of watching football?

Ole is rebuilding the team, so my concern is - watching the games and assessing what I see on the pitch, whether the team is progressing. Counting points of a team in rebuild, team with the lowest average age in the league, is a waste of time and nonsense.

 

[Kostur]

Because you need enough data to make assertions we've only had 3 other managers to compare him to, except none of them even tried to do a rebuild. Can't compare "stats" of a rebuild to the non-rebuild efforts.

Load of bollocks.

 

[edgar allan]

I do not think you have seen Fergie manage Aberdeen then? There was life of Fergie before Manchester United. He was a very successful manager in his own right before he came to Manchester United. He had a track record of winning big trophies before he came to United. This was the reason why he was hired by United. Not because he was a nice guy with a smiling face.

Agree 100% . He had proved himself suitably qualified fro the job.
My comment was in relation to the squad he left but was going off topic.

 

[Gehrman]

Again with the out-of-context stats. Maybe you should play Bingo, instead of watching football?

Ole is rebuilding the team, so my concern is - watching the games and assessing what I see on the pitch, whether the team is progressing. Counting points of a team in rebuild, team with the lowest average age in the league, is a waste of time and nonsense.

Our point tally in the league is not relevant?

 

[LJJT]

So far this is our lowest point tally in the league for around something like 30 years. Which means OGS league form is worse than our previous 3 failed managers.

there’s no point comparing points and league positions to previous years. We are 5th at the moment. Some would say that’s an over achievement with this squad. Some would argue it isn’t. Either way we are inconsistently unpredictable and I just hope Ole pushes to make sure we get 2 players in cos if we don’t we won’t improve and he will be gone at the seasons end. Last night was a real low point in my view he needs to change what he says post game it’s like he’s on a tape recorder saying the same tripe

 

[NewGlory]

Load of bollocks.

I admire your insightful, highly eloquent response.

 

[edgar allan]

Again with the out-of-context stats. Maybe you should play Bingo, instead of watching football?

Ole is rebuilding the team, so my concern is - watching the games and assessing what I see on the pitch, whether the team is progressing. Counting points of a team in rebuild, team with the lowest average age in the league, is a waste of time and nonsense.

We would be a top team if it wasn't for those pesky points.

 

[passing-wind]

Because you need enough data to make assertions we've only had 3 other managers to compare him to, except none of them even tried to do a rebuild. Can't compare "stats" of a rebuild to the non-rebuild efforts.

Either way, there are things to definitely be concerned about, but "worst manager in 30 years" is just a gross exaggeration.

If you want to discuss specifics, yes - he has a problem with making changes in a game too late. Like I said, subs should have come around 30th minute when it became clear that our starting lineup was a disaster. Whether that would have helped or not is still unclear, because having watched the entire game - nobody on that field had any desire to move their asses. Maybe it was exhaustion, maybe the whole Jan 1st shit, and hungover, but that team was doomed the moment they set their feet on the pitch. Still Ole should have tried more, even if the result was gonna be the same. It's his job.

Slight exaggeration but more commonly Solskjaer is the worst manager of the lot since SAF retired. If Ole cannot galvanise this team to be consistent the "exaggeration" of him being the worst in 3 decades will transition into an undeniable reality.

 

[montpelier]

There is a small improvement in transfer signings at least, and maybe in how the club is looking to rebuild out of a massive mess.

Results are better than performances for me, even so. January looks very tough.

The out people do make some reasonable points, but you have to search quite hard to find them. It's like you expect us to be tearing up the CL with this squad.

I want to see some signings, and soon.

Changing Manager again now won't do anything.

 

[NewGlory]

there’s no point comparing points and league positions to previous years. We are 5th at the moment. Some would say that’s an over achievement with this squad. Some would argue it isn’t. Either way we are inconsistently unpredictable and I just hope Ole pushes to make sure we get 2 players in cos if we don’t we won’t improve and he will be gone at the seasons end. Last night was a real low point in my view he needs to change what he says post game it’s like he’s on a tape recorder saying the same tripe

100%

Ole's post-game comments are maddening for many fans. That is understandable, but I don't buy that he's equally "nice" to the players behind the closed doors. He is clearly the kind of manager that avoids creating public drama and prefers to deal with things privately. That may not be everybody's cup of tea, but I would take that over weekly tantrums Mourinho was having.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

He’s crap & everyone supporting him still deserves the crap season we’re having. You’re being naive & delusional supporting a terrible manager & we’re going backwards.

 

[Gehrman]

there’s no point comparing points and league positions to previous years. We are 5th at the moment. Some would say that’s an over achievement with this squad. Some would argue it isn’t. Either way we are inconsistently unpredictable and I just hope Ole pushes to make sure we get 2 players in cos if we don’t we won’t improve and he will be gone at the seasons end. Last night was a real low point in my view he needs to change what he says post game it’s like he’s on a tape recorder saying the same tripe

So the Ole in crowd do not compare points and league placement to previous managers when it suits them?

 

[90 + 5min]

I still don't understand how people can write with any considerations were we have been and where we are. Just sack him and we will be fine is answer from some. We would win everything without Ole. Tommorow. We who still are (Ole in) understand that results will go up and down during season looking at our squad and despite that we still have a chance on top 4. We are still in cups. So it is not at all this darkness as some of you want to make it.

 

[NewGlory]

Slight exaggeration but more commonly Solskjaer is the worst manager of the lot since SAF retired. If Ole cannot galvanise this team to be consistent the "exaggeration" of him being the worst in 3 decades will transition into an undeniable reality.

I don't think Ole is worse than Moyes in anything. So that leaves only two managers. LvG is obviously very well-respected manager, but he was a horrible fit for us and we were going nowhere. With Ole there's at least slight chance for improvement. If Woodward buys him decent midfield soon enough and Ole starts consistently winning, all of those Ole Out people will evaporate in thin air.

 

[Tel074]

That's absolute rubbish, if their squad is a million miles than what's Barcelons's or PSG out of the stratosphere ? The distinction of this Chelsea squad being good is only on the premise of their performances this season. A good 75% of posts in summer predicted Chelsea to finish 6th from multiple threads I had seen. Jorginho was one of the worst midfielders in the league last season, Kante was played out of position under Sarri, RLC hardly ever featured along with Barkley. Kovacic did nothing of note under Sarri either. The effectiveness of Chelsea's midfield is all to do with the team dynamic Lampard has provided. Chelsea like us have a predominantly youthful side but at the stem of their inadequacies is a coach who is more evolved then what we have at our disposal.

I actually think there are a few managers who would do alot better with this team than the current capabilities under Ole. When you consider Solskjaer has no credible history of developing players at a competitive level, I'm not sure why fans seem to think he's the only useful manager in world football suitable for Manchester United.

Some of the love Ole gets on here is an absolute embarrassment. I'm behind people supporting Solskjaer but many might aswell have a vaccume cleaner up his behind.

Willian , Jorginho , Kovacic , Loftus Cheek , Hudson Adoi , Kante , Alonso , Emerson all players off the top of my head who would start for United . You can butter it up all you want the bottom line is Chelsea's squad is way better than ours ..

Kante being played out of position and Jorginho being poor under Sarri has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they would all walk into this current United side .

 

[NewGlory]

We would be a top team if it wasn't for those pesky points.

I know, right? Football, man - unpredictable. (Your sarcasm is duly appreciated).

 

[edgar allan]

I don't think Ole is worse than Moyes in anything. So that leaves only two managers. LvG is obviously very well-respected manager, but he was a horrible fit for us and we were going nowhere. With Ole there's at least slight chance for improvement. If Woodward buys him decent midfield soon enough and Ole starts consistently winning, all of those Ole Out people will evaporate in thin air.

Not happening lad.

 

[Massive Spanner]

I'll agree there is more to it. Those players were available at the start of the season but do you remember how bad Fred and Perreira were? McTominay was just okay and still learning. Pogba was virtually all alone in midfield with little good help. You can't get good results with an average midfield.
.
Now Fred is pretty good and Pogba and McT are out. (BTW, doesn't Ole get credit for developing Fred into a solid midfielder?) My point is Ole has rarely had a full squad that was healthy and most of the players in form. It's always been something whether injury or poor form (now Lingard is useless and Perreira is okay). In summary:

1st month: Fred dismal, McTominay okay
2nd month: Martial injured, Fred still useless, McTominay growing
3rd month: Pogba injured, Fred okay, McTominay playing well
4th month: Pogba injured, James losing his legs, Fred playing well
Now: Pogba and McTominay out, Lingard useless, James inconsistent, Fred becoming a rock

My timing may not be perfect but you get the point. Ole rarely has had a good side to work with.

You can't just make other excuses because your original point was wrong. Regardless of who was fit and who was playing well, our results have been poor throughout. Besides, if Pogba was playing then Fred wouldn't have even gotten games and wouldn't have improved.

Ultimately Ole has completely underperformed results wise regardless of what players are available at what stage. For most games we've lost or drawn this season, we've still had the better first 11 on the pitch.

 

[Kurton]

Blah, blah, blah and more blah. Who cares what Moyes and LvG had done before United? We are talking about their record with United. And besides, Ole will finish around 6th with a very young United team, this year, so Moyes "finishing in upper half" with Everton is not impressing anybody. Clean the garbage out of your own logic, before accusing anybody of delusion.

People care about the past work experience, that is how people get hired. Both Moyes and LVG were hired based on their resumes. How old are you 12? Its Ole who got the job without any merit.

If you want to speak about what they did at Utd, then here it is. Utd finished 7th in Moyes's season. LVG finished 4th and 5th with us. And both had better win ratio that your beloved Ole. So Ole is not doing some miracle here by finishing 6th when the league is as shit as it is currently, and that's if he does finish around 6th. And stop with this young team nonsense, only youngster he's playing intermittently is Greenwood. Its you who needs to clear the garbage in your head that's causing this delusion.

 

[Gehrman]

I know, right? Football, man - unpredictable. (Your sarcasm is duly appreciated).

I havn't really seen much of that attacking football we were promised with Solskjær. We have goal difference of +7 after 21 games. Leicester has +27.

 

[Kostur]

I admire your insightful, highly eloquent response.

Lvg absolutely did a rebuild. Mourinho cleared out what he deemed deadwood too.

You've got it there, just because you choose not to acknowledge more eloquently formulated reponses (perhaps overly eloquent for you) it doesn't mean those are not true.

 

[NewGlory]

Willian , Jorginho , Kovacic , Loftus Cheek , Hudson Adoi , Kante , Alonso , Emerson all players off the top of my head who would start for United . You can butter it up all you want the bottom line is Chelsea's squad is way better than ours ..

Kante being played out of position and Jorginho being poor under Sarri has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they would all walk into this current United side .

They are not better than us, definitely not "way better" than us, which is why we have kicked their ass repeatedly. But they are more balanced and they have suffered less from injuries. Kante is worth gold for them. If we had somebody like Kante, in-form, we'd be top 4 easy, now.

The sad part is - they will get better, because the only reason they have thin squad is due to the ban. As soon as ban is lifted their owner will buy Lampard players. And that is what makes a huge difference. Abramovich loves football, Glazers don't even know what it is exactly.

 

[montpelier]

I still don't understand how people can write with any considerations were we have been and where we are. Just sack him and we will be fine is answer from some. We would win everything without Ole. Tommorow. We who still are (Ole in) understand that results will go up and down during season looking at our squad and despite that we still have a chance on top 4. We are still in cups. So it is not at all this darkness as some of you want to make it.

Too reasonable. Getting stuck into the team and believing we should never finish lower than 2nd is much more fun apparently.

 

[NewGlory]

Not happening lad.

Well, then - if we don't buy midfielders in January, our season is 100% fecked. I think that is one thing everybody (Ole In and Ole Out) can agree on that with the abysmal midfield we currently have, esp. with McT and Pogba both out but even if they were in - there's no way to make this team compete for anything.

 

[edgar allan]

Well, then - if we don't buy midfielders in January, our season is 100% fecked. I think that is one thing everybody (Ole In and Ole Out) can agree on that with the abysmal midfield we currently have, esp. with McT and Pogba both out but even if they were in - there's no way to make this team compete for anything.

We might end up panic buying one or two of those brothers that don't stand out in an awful Newcastle midfield but the result will be the same.
As I say I have every sympathy for Ole......he had no chance with the summer dealings ( lack thereof)

 

[passing-wind]

Willian , Jorginho , Kovacic , Loftus Cheek , Hudson Adoi , Kante , Alonso , Emerson all players off the top of my head who would start for United . You can butter it up all you want the bottom line is Chelsea's squad is way better than ours ..

Kante being played out of position and Jorginho being poor under Sarri has absolutely nothing to do with the fact they would all walk into this current United side .

Rashford, Martial, Pogba, AWB, Maguire, Lindlelof, De Gea would all get into Chelsea's team just as likely. The credibility of such an argument is only viable on the basis of the circumstances at present. The fact that under Sarri no one looked at Chelsea's team being remotely strong but under Lampard opinions changed is decisive of managerial influences. Jorginho's time under Sarri was his debut season in the premier league so its importance is highly significant. RLC has had no consistent impact at Chelsea his standout season was with Palace. Kovacic is in the same boat. Alonso from my understanding has always been under relentless criticism from the fans for his performances.

Chelsea have more depth in a variety of positions but the quality of their squad is not night and day indifferent to our very own. What you see with Chelsea is amazing players because you seem fascinated by surnames, what I see is a manager in Lampard who has given them the platform to perform. They have an ideology, philosophy and a purpose to their play. That is the reason they have had a decent season thus far despite losing their best player of the last few years replacing him with a U21 by way of Pulisic, spending absolutely nothing due to the transfer ban.

 

[NewGlory]

We might end up panic buying one or two of those brothers that don't stand out in an awful Newcastle midfield but the result will be the same.
As I say I have every sympathy for Ole......he had no chance with the summer dealings ( lack thereof)

Sadly, you are probably right. I won't be shocked if they don't even buy anybody at all. Because fecking Woodward. Like you said - our problems are nothing new. We all knew we needed midfielders in the Summer, but they didn't do shite.

Rashford, Martial, Pogba, AWB, Maguire, Lindlelof, De Gea would all get into Chelsea's team just as likely.

We should stop thinking of Pogba as our player. He's not played for us all season and may not play for a while. He's not relevant to us this season simply because we don't have him. De Gea has been absolute shite and is only surviving on past glory. There's no way Lampard would replace Kepa with De Gea. Also not sure if he'd have Lindelof. The rest - yes.

 

[gerdm07]

You can't just make other excuses because your original point was wrong. Regardless of who was fit and who was playing well, our results have been poor throughout. Besides, if Pogba was playing then Fred wouldn't have even gotten games and wouldn't have improved.

Ultimately Ole has completely underperformed results wise regardless of what players are available at what stage. For most games we've lost or drawn this season, we've still had the better first 11 on the pitch.

And we are 5th in the table. I think Ole deserves a lot of credit for the development of Fred, McTominay, Greenwood, and Perreira (he actually played pretty good for two matches). That's good coaching.

How do you know the bold to be true?

 

[passing-wind]

You can't just make other excuses because your original point was wrong. Regardless of who was fit and who was playing well, our results have been poor throughout. Besides, if Pogba was playing then Fred wouldn't have even gotten games and wouldn't have improved.

Ultimately Ole has completely underperformed results wise regardless of what players are available at what stage. For most games we've lost or drawn this season, we've still had the better first 11 on the pitch.

There's two facts that substantiate this statement the first is that Ole has admitted himself that he / the team are fundamentally underachieving.

Second is when the season started with absolutely NO absentees in three fixtures we W1 D1 L1. Anyone using injuries as an excuse for our bad performances either has amnesia or is too busy smoking it.

 

[LJJT]

So the Ole in crowd do not compare points and league placement to previous managers when it suits them?

ive no idea but I don’t, it’s irrelevant. If we won the league with the lowest points ever no one would care. If we got relegated with highest points ever it would be irrelevant we’d still be relegated. We are 5th, still in hunt for 4th. After last night though, the latest injury news and high probability we won’t sign any new players in January even my blind optimism is fading.