The Manchester United fans control the club's destiny

[Enigma_87]

It must be me being daft or naive but this is what I expect:

April / May - Ole and Ed to sit down and discuss the transfer market. Ed will obviously say something in the lines of, we have £150m to spend plus whatever we make from selling players.

Ole has an idea that £150m is what I have and I need 5 players.

Then you don't go and splash all £130m on 2 players would you? you would look at alternatives.

And if we had £150m to spend, with the sell of Lukaku and others there was still another £75m left to be spent?

I am sure you can get 2 decent midfielders for that much considering Tilemans release clause was £40m

Some fans are acting as if Ole said I want Maguire, AWB and then Ed said good now you have reached your limit sorry.

When you sell assets for 75m it doesn't mean that you have less than 150m to spend.

Ole knew Lukaku was leaving way before the season ended, so that doesn't excuse him for not finding a replacement.

175m EUR(if we dip into the continental market) is more than enough to build a side that is better than what we have today with £80m Maguire, £50m AWB and £20m James.

British footballers are worth extra - we know that since ages it's not a huge surprise is it?

So now this season we have to go spend another £150m, so myt question is why not spend £200m in one window and less the window after?

If you give a rookie manager £200m to spend in one season and then he has nothing to show for (like it would happen either way) then how do you explain the next manager that he has £50m to spend because the other guy was a tool and expect results?

Say Ole was given another 50m pounds for Longstaff, what difference he would've made?

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/342811/Show/Sean-Longstaff

here are his stats for this season..

 

[Utdstar01]

Mass walkout is better.

This. Or a plan needs to be put into place where we decide on a game and masses of fans don't attend. If fans stop going to games then something will have to give.

 

[Enigma_87]

Klopp is just an example, the reality is that any manager worth their salt won’t want to come here due to the setup of the club. That’s due to the owners and Ed Woodward. We can go through another 4 managers and it’ll be the same story over and over again. And the fans will want each manager sacked, over and over again. It never ends.

When will some fans wake up and realize it's not the stone age anymore. Managers have much bigger expiry date nowadays. Or you expect next one we hire to stay 26 years?

 

[schmousi]

Unfortunately an organised mass walkout is very difficult to carry out because it always has supporters who will stay in the Stadium.

However...green and gold till the club is sold!

 

[downunder red]

Changing the manager right now will not change anything till Woodward runs the commercial side and we get a DOF who can set up a football side of the club.

 

[El Zoido]

When will some fans wake up and realize it's not the stone age anymore. Managers have much bigger expiry date nowadays. Or you expect next one we hire to stay 26 years?

Well my I’ve spent 90% of the last six years desperately hoping the manager will be fired. There’s only one constant in this equation, and Ole is the only one who hasn’t expressed frustration with the owners for restricting them from doing their job. It’ll be the same story with the next guy too, clown Woodward will spend all summer trying to get a single deal over the line and we end up with holes in the squad for the new season.

Yeah we can get a manager better than Ole, but they’ll still be hamstrung in their ability to perform their job. Doesn’t matter who’s in the hot seat, maybe Poch would get us top four so the Glazers can have a bit of extra cash in their pockets and will stick around even longer.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Lads, it's over.

Our time is gone. Liverpool are gonna win the league. They and City are going to challenge for trophies for the next decade or so.

We are done as a big club. The sooner we come to terms with that, the better it'll be for our mental health.

 

[Enigma_87]

Well my I’ve spent 90% of the last six years desperately hoping the manager will be fired. There’s only one constant in this equation, and Ole is the only one who hasn’t expressed frustration with the owners for restricting them from doing their job. It’ll be the same story with the next guy too, clown Woodward will spend all summer trying to get a single deal over the line and we end up with holes in the squad for the new season.

Yeah we can get a manager better than Ole, but they’ll still be hamstrung in their ability to perform their job. Doesn’t matter who’s in the hot seat, maybe Poch would get us top four so the Glazers can have a bit of extra cash in their pockets and will stick around even longer.

Because he's their puppet.

As for the second para - the most important person that is responsible of how we fare on the pitch and how we play is the manager. Even if you replace Ed and the whole board tomorrow, we won't see an improvement in our game, because we are run by a League One manager, simple as.

It's like keeping Bebe and expecting him to become Ronaldo with time and investing money and resources in him.

 

[El Zoido]

Because he's their puppet.

As for the second para - the most important person that is responsible of how we fare on the pitch and how we play is the manager. Even if you replace Ed and the whole board tomorrow, we won't see an improvement in our game, because we are run by a League One manager, simple as.

It's like keeping Bebe and expecting him to become Ronaldo with time and investing money and resources in him.

He only hasn’t said anything publicly. Yet. Privately I would imagine he’s frustrated at Woodward’s promises on funds not being kept.

 

[Pav1878]

It seems everyone is in agreement that they would prefer Ed and the Glazers to be gone. If we are vocal enough at matches and the media, it can happen.

Charlton fans wanted Du Chatelet gone and eventually they got their wish. Sunderland fans are about to oust their new owner.

I know it's different at United as the glazers stand to make way more money than at those clubs but if we can't shift the glazers yet, we cld force their hand in shifting Ed. Maybe move him to the commercial side of things only and finally get a DoF in to control the football side. That would be a massive step forwards and will help Ole or whoever is in charge in the future get the best out of the market and give us a footballing Identity on the pitch.

The only way we get Ed gone or moved to a different role is by making our feelings heard. A can do attitude, power to the people etc. We should be coming together not fighting amongst ourselves about people who are ruining our club.

 

[romufc]

When you sell assets for 75m it doesn't mean that you have less than 150m to spend.

Ole knew Lukaku was leaving way before the season ended, so that doesn't excuse him for not finding a replacement.

175m EUR(if we dip into the continental market) is more than enough to build a side that is better than what we have today with £80m Maguire, £50m AWB and £20m James.

British footballers are worth extra - we know that since ages it's not a huge surprise is it?



If you give a rookie manager £200m to spend in one season and then he has nothing to show for (like it would happen either way) then how do you explain the next manager that he has £50m to spend because the other guy was a tool and expect results?

Say Ole was given another 50m pounds for Longstaff, what difference he would've made?

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/342811/Show/Sean-Longstaff

here are his stats for this season..

So the plan is lets not sign anyone because he is a rookie manager?

Why hire him in the first place then?

Thats fine, lets not spend anymore money in readiness for the next manager, whenever that might be.

And also let us not give any player a new contract in case a new manager might not fancy them?

The reason the manager is here, rookie or not is because the board think he can succeed.

Also can you name 8 players in the continental market who would be better than the side we have ?

 

[RedIan]

Transfer spends last 5 years in order of size -

Man City - £601mil
United - £437mil
arsenal - £263m
Everton £225m
S/ampton £206m

leicester - £129m
Chelsea. £111m
liverpool £109m

we cant argue United have not spent enough money... its more the quality of players we have bought and wasted money on - you can debate each buy on its merits or failures but to many were/are failures... where has the money gone?

Here are most of the large signings

Pogba - £94m
Maguire £78m
Lukaku £76m
DI-Maria £67mil
Martial £54m
Fred £53m
AWB £49.5m
Matic £40m
Miki - 37m - swooped for Sanchez, whose out on loan.
Baily £34m
Shaw £33m
Lindelof £31m
Schneiderlin £31m
Depay £30m
Rojo £18m

Darmian £16m
James £15m

Too many of these we overpaid for and too many failed. If you go back a little further back there is Fellani at £29m and mata at £40m

4 managers since SAF retired - same CEO and owners.... whose responsible for spending the money??

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

Lads, it's over.

Our time is gone. Liverpool are gonna win the league. They and City are going to challenge for trophies for the next decade or so.

We are done as a big club. The sooner we come to terms with that, the better it'll be for our mental health.

What's the thing both of those clubs have in common? First class off the field structures.

Man City have won the league under 3 different managers, but since their takeover, their off-field structure has always been exceptional. When Pep goes, another coach will pick up where he left off.

Liverpool spent 25 years doing what you're doing now, then realised the only way to challenge would be to drastically alter their off-field structure. They appointed a DOF just after Klopp cam in and their recruitment has been second to none ever since.

Other clubs are picking up on this. If you are well run and get the club structure and recruitment spot on, you can challenge the elite. Leicester are the standouts in this category, with my club Wolves doing bits too.

As others above have pointed out, until you make drastic changes to your structure, any manager will struggle.

 

[DoomSlayer]

Transfer spends last 5 years in order of size -

Man City - £601mil
United - £437mil
arsenal - £263m
Everton £225m
S/ampton £206m

leicester - £129m
Chelsea. £111m
liverpool £109m

we cant argue United have not spent enough money... its more the quality of players we have bought and wasted money on - you can debate each buy on its merits or failures but to many were/are failures... where has the money gone?

Here are most of the large signings

Pogba - £94m
Maguire £78m
Lukaku £76m
DI-Maria £67mil
Martial £54m
Fred £53m
AWB £49.5m
Matic £40m
Miki - 37m - swooped for Sanchez, whose out on loan.
Baily £34m
Shaw £33m
Lindelof £31m
Schneiderlin £31m
Depay £30m
Rojo £18m

Darmian £16m
James £15m

Too many of these we overpaid for and too many failed. If you go back a little further back there is Fellani at £29m and mata at £40m

4 managers since SAF retired - same CEO and owners.... whose responsible for spending the money??

Anyone looking at this and blaming everything on the managers is stupid. Add these transfer fees to the ludicrous wages that we pay and it's clear as fecking day who's at fault for destroying our club and the legacy that Sir Alex built.

 

[Enigma_87]

150m pounds is more than enough to give the rookie manager and expect progress. A very few clubs can afford that so don't give him that excuse.

Why is he here? You can ask the board and whilst you are at it ask them about Moyes too.

8 names?
Rabiot - moved for free.
Thorgan Hazard 25m EUR
J. Brand - 25m EUR
Fekir - 20m EUR
Barella - 12m EUR loan fee(with option to buy next window)
Håland just moved to Dortmund for 20m EUR.

That's just around 105m EUR for 6 names that were available and switched clubs for those prices.

I think you can easily come up with 2 players for about 35m EUR each.

 

[redcafe_reader]

Klopp is just an example, the reality is that any manager worth their salt won’t want to come here due to the setup of the club. That’s due to the owners and Ed Woodward. We can go through another 4 managers and it’ll be the same story over and over again. And the fans will want each manager sacked, over and over again. It never ends.

That's a fair point, which I agree with. I just want to point out the context of the Klopp situation that a lot of people seem to try their hardest to ignore. I agree that the Glazer and Woodward absolutely need to take responsibility for the situation at our club, but the problem is, our club is actually their club, so they won't fire themself.

 

[DoomSlayer]

What's the thing both of those clubs have in common? First class off the field structures.

Man City have won the league under 3 different managers, but since their takeover, their off-field structure has always been exceptional. When Pep goes, another coach will pick up where he left off.

Liverpool spent 25 years doing what you're doing now, then realised the only way to challenge would be to drastically alter their off-field structure. They appointed a DOF just after Klopp cam in and their recruitment has been second to none ever since.

Other clubs are picking up on this. If you are well run and get the club structure and recruitment spot on, you can challenge the elite. Leicester are the standouts in this category, with my club Wolves doing bits too.

As others above have pointed out, until you make drastic changes to your structure, any manager will struggle.

Tell that to the lunatics who want to blame the managers at all costs. Noone can succeed here, player, manager, everything turns to failure with our club.

 

[VP89]

He knows how to squirm his way out of it. He knows what needs to be said to the press in order to ease the pressure on him when he gets scrutinised.

As long as he has the Glazers backing, which he will always have, then that’s all that really unfortunately matters.

He had been constantly criticised by the press and United fans for pretty much his whole tenure. I don't remember the last time I've seen a positive comment about him anywhere. And yet, he is still here.

That doesn't mean he's unfazed by criticsm. It's actually quite easy for him to squirm out of things given the low level of criticsm we've had. Our match going fans don't much boo him or openly protest, the pundits caveat their "United are miles behind" with "United is still a super club" and that is what gives Ed a big layer of protection. When he actually got ridiculed openly, he came out with a very defensive statement about his policies and process.

If you prod him some more you'll probably unravel more, but for some reason our fans won't. 90% of the match-going fans are all seemingly against him but very little is done by way of organised protests to put public shame on him. For as long as that continues, he's going to find it easy to squirm out.

But he can be fazed quite easily by it when it does happen. That we know.

 

[DoomSlayer]

That doesn't mean he's unfazed by criticsm. It's actually quite easy for him to squirm out of things given the low level of criticsm we've had. Our match going fans don't much boo him or openly protest, the pundits caveat their "United are miles behind" with "United is still a super club" and that is what gives Ed a big layer of protection. When he actually got ridiculed openly, he came out with a very defensive statement about his policies and process.

If you prod him some more you'll probably unravel more, but for some reason our fans won't. 90% of the match-going fans are all seemingly against him but very little is done by way of organised protests to put public shame on him. For as long as that continues, he's going to find it easy to squirm out.

But he can be fazed quite easily by it when it does happen. That we know.

This. We need a total wipeout of the hierarchy, starting with Woodward. The guy is the biggest douchebag loser and so incompetent in every aspect of his job that it's actually scary how he is still in this position. Maybe he has some dirt on the Glazers, maybe they are just as dumb as him, I don't know.

 

[Eckers99]

What's the thing both of those clubs have in common? First class off the field structures.

Man City have won the league under 3 different managers, but since their takeover, their off-field structure has always been exceptional. When Pep goes, another coach will pick up where he left off.

Liverpool spent 25 years doing what you're doing now, then realised the only way to challenge would be to drastically alter their off-field structure. They appointed a DOF just after Klopp cam in and their recruitment has been second to none ever since.

Other clubs are picking up on this. If you are well run and get the club structure and recruitment spot on, you can challenge the elite. Leicester are the standouts in this category, with my club Wolves doing bits too.

As others above have pointed out, until you make drastic changes to your structure, any manager will struggle.

Good post. There's no point having a financial advantage when you don't seem to know your own industry enough to exploit it.

Right now the better run clubs, the ones with foresight, structure and consistency (of vision) are reducing that gap by virtue of knowing what they're doing.

It's been said a million times but, until we're run like a modern football club and not a stagnant cash cow, the advantage that took us decades to grow will just keep shrinking.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

Fans need to be far more vocal about the state of us. This top red mentality of "don't boo us off" is just going to keep us in this mess.



Not sure how true the figures are, but if they are even remotely close that is fecking damning to the state of us. These players deserve being booed off.

 

[joedirt87]

The Glazers went through a period around 2009 or so with the Buccaneers where they weren’t spending any money. Attendance dropped like a rock because of how poor the product was. They changed the front office and coaching staff and started spending money in free agency again. It didn’t bring success but at least there was change. A half empty old trafford on television might change things.

 

[OleTheGreat]

I hate fans booing players but have to say they have to show their frustrations more now. When did Manchester United become about supporting mediocrity. How are match going fans tolerating the likes of Lingard and Jones. Surely time has come to be more vocal. This whole houlier attitude is frustrating to see.

It was heartwarming to watch 69000 fans singing praises during the first half against City even when we were 2-0 down. I'm sure I'd do the same but we don't deserve this. We need things to improve and quick! Top 5 is just 5 points away. We can easily ride City at the Etihad if we played a better XI. We, the fans are the best in the world. Love the match-going fans, please keep doing that, guys. Ole will definitely keep pushing the boys to improve if we kept showing up and make loud noise like we did against City. The boys are very young and will definitely feed off the positivity!

 

[vanderpants]

The club couldn't give two hoots about the fans, its just run to make money to line the big wigs pockets, just look at the state of the team and the transfer policy to back it up. Tractor, beds, hover sponsorships say it all

 

[Utdstar01]

The fans are the biggest mugs here. Continuing to buy merch and attend games, filling the Glazers pockets while they do their best to ruin the club. Something needs to happen.

 

[podurban2]

Transfer spends last 5 years in order of size -

Man City - £601mil
United - £437mil
arsenal - £263m
Everton £225m
S/ampton £206m

leicester - £129m
Chelsea. £111m
liverpool £109m

we cant argue United have not spent enough money... its more the quality of players we have bought and wasted money on - you can debate each buy on its merits or failures but to many were/are failures... where has the money gone?

Here are most of the large signings

Pogba - £94m
Maguire £78m
Lukaku £76m
DI-Maria £67mil
Martial £54m
Fred £53m
AWB £49.5m
Matic £40m
Miki - 37m - swooped for Sanchez, whose out on loan.
Baily £34m
Shaw £33m
Lindelof £31m
Schneiderlin £31m
Depay £30m
Rojo £18m

Darmian £16m
James £15m

Too many of these we overpaid for and too many failed. If you go back a little further back there is Fellani at £29m and mata at £40m

4 managers since SAF retired - same CEO and owners.... whose responsible for spending the money??

The leadership is incompetent. The organisation is fundamentally flawed. That’s not changing anytime soon.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

It seems everyone is in agreement that they would prefer Ed and the Glazers to be gone. If we are vocal enough at matches and the media, it can happen.

Charlton fans wanted Du Chatelet gone and eventually they got their wish. Sunderland fans are about to oust their new owner.

I know it's different at United as the glazers stand to make way more money than at those clubs but if we can't shift the glazers yet, we cld force their hand in shifting Ed. Maybe move him to the commercial side of things only and finally get a DoF in to control the football side. That would be a massive step forwards and will help Ole or whoever is in charge in the future get the best out of the market and give us a footballing Identity on the pitch.

The only way we get Ed gone or moved to a different role is by making our feelings heard. A can do attitude, power to the people etc. We should be coming together not fighting amongst ourselves about people who are ruining our club.

This is the way we should be thinking.

First off, get Ed Woodward out of that position with immediate effect - it's laughable that he's still employed in that position, I mean, any owner that actually cared about the success of the football club would have sacked him after 2 seasons, yet he's riding on 7 seasons of absolute failure.

He must be ousted. Wake up Utd fans.

 

[Bilbo]

Fans need to be far more vocal about the state of us. This top red mentality of "don't boo us off" is just going to keep us in this mess.

Booing the team off would just be directing the unrest in the wrong way. It won't help the team get results - in fact it will quite clearly be a detriment to that. It will just ensure that the match-going fans become part of the problem rather than the solution.

What would the protest be about anyway?

The team not performing as we would like? - It would only destroy confidence and hurt us
The Glazers? - The figures that were posted earlier on the page show that we have spent considerably more than most, but its been wasted by managers no longer connected with the club. What exactly is our issue there? The Glazers have taken fortunes out of the club and will never be thought of fondly here, but they have invested in the team
The manager? - Whatever anyone thinks about that we surely have to better than to boo him in the stadium. Not just because of his past, but because he was dealt a really shitty hand here and is doing the right things for the future

I'm all for protest if its right, and yes the match-going fans could have a huge influence, but it would have to be clear what everyone was protesting against and it would have to be handled correctly, and there is nobody out there that could lead that kind of movement.

Whatever people feel about our manager right now, the true cause of our current plight is the poor recruitment made over the last decade. The money wasted on players that aren't currently contributing, and the managers that for whatever reason haven't worked out. This is why the squad is imbalanced, and this is why we have reached the point where we have to gut this squad and start over. We have been much better at selling players since Ole came in, and now we have to make sure we sign the right players and the sooner the better.

 

[Jburton]

The Glazers bought a global brand that they could milk for all it’s worth. Glazers don’t spend or invest.

Ed does great work selling the name and making money for the Glazers, the football seems to be of no consequence.

They will milk this club dry until it can’t take anymore and they will move on. Never spent money to buy the club, never spent money to invest .... they just profited from the name recognition accrued over years of hard fought success.

They have stolen the club.

 

[Utdstar01]

Booing the team off would just be directing the unrest in the wrong way. It won't help the team get results - in fact it will quite clearly be a detriment to that. It will just ensure that the match-going fans become part of the problem rather than the solution.

What would the protest be about anyway?

The team not performing as we would like? - It would only destroy confidence and hurt us
The Glazers? - The figures that were posted earlier on the page show that we have spent considerably more than most, but its been wasted by managers no longer connected with the club. What exactly is our issue there? The Glazers have taken fortunes out of the club and will never be thought of fondly here, but they have invested in the team
The manager? - Whatever anyone thinks about that we surely have to better than to boo him in the stadium. Not just because of his past, but because he was dealt a really shitty hand here and is doing the right things for the future

I'm all for protest if its right, and yes the match-going fans could have a huge influence, but it would have to be clear what everyone was protesting against and it would have to be handled correctly, and there is nobody out there that could lead that kind of movement.

Whatever people feel about our manager right now, the true cause of our current plight is the poor recruitment made over the last decade. The money wasted on players that aren't currently contributing, and the managers that for whatever reason haven't worked out. This is why the squad is imbalanced, and this is why we have reached the point where we have to gut this squad and start over. We have been much better at selling players since Ole came in, and now we have to make sure we sign the right players and the sooner the better.

Detriment to the team? Have you seen us play recently? I don't think it gets much worse, we've played that badly. What's the worse that can happen? We play shit for a few more games, which will probably happen anyway. Booing shouldn't be aimed at the players but at the people at the very top are are the culprits of this fecking car crash of a situation.

There are many things wrong with the club and it's all a result of the people making the decisions at the top. This can't continue any longer.

 

[GiddyUp]

That doesn't mean he's unfazed by criticsm. It's actually quite easy for him to squirm out of things given the low level of criticsm we've had. Our match going fans don't much boo him or openly protest, the pundits caveat their "United are miles behind" with "United is still a super club" and that is what gives Ed a big layer of protection. When he actually got ridiculed openly, he came out with a very defensive statement about his policies and process.

If you prod him some more you'll probably unravel more, but for some reason our fans won't. 90% of the match-going fans are all seemingly against him but very little is done by way of organised protests to put public shame on him. For as long as that continues, he's going to find it easy to squirm out.

But he can be fazed quite easily by it when it does happen. That we know.

Patrice Evra said when he was having a go at Ed on the phone he said "you can't speak to the DOF like that". He probably watched Harchester United instead Manchester United back in the glory years. The guy has an unwarranted sense of grandeur and needs to be taken down. He's an embarrassment to the sport. Our fan base is too docile especially match going fans.
All I can do as a lifetime supporter living on another continent is not spend one penny on the club. I cancelled my MUTV subscription and apart from the few dozen jerseys in my closet and the few minutes of anger after another below average performance you wouldn't know I'm a fan. We also have 11 shares in the club, they look nice on the wall but every year when voting comes I put a big "Woodward Out" in sharpie instead of voting.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Transfer spends last 5 years in order of size -

Man City - £601mil
United - £437mil
arsenal - £263m
Everton £225m
S/ampton £206m

leicester - £129m
Chelsea. £111m
liverpool £109m

we cant argue United have not spent enough money... its more the quality of players we have bought and wasted money on - you can debate each buy on its merits or failures but to many were/are failures... where has the money gone?

Here are most of the large signings

Pogba - £94m
Maguire £78m
Lukaku £76m
DI-Maria £67mil
Martial £54m
Fred £53m
AWB £49.5m
Matic £40m
Miki - 37m - swooped for Sanchez, whose out on loan.
Baily £34m
Shaw £33m
Lindelof £31m
Schneiderlin £31m
Depay £30m
Rojo £18m

Darmian £16m
James £15m

Too many of these we overpaid for and too many failed. If you go back a little further back there is Fellani at £29m and mata at £40m

4 managers since SAF retired - same CEO and owners.... whose responsible for spending the money??

Things have changed the last 2 years though. The purse strings have tightened and we spend like 50m net. The wage bill has been massively slashed and will continue to do so when Pogba goes. So we can't keep talking about what the Glazers did before the last 2 years.

 

[GiddyUp]

Booing the team off would just be directing the unrest in the wrong way. It won't help the team get results - in fact it will quite clearly be a detriment to that. It will just ensure that the match-going fans become part of the problem rather than the solution.

What would the protest be about anyway?

The team not performing as we would like? - It would only destroy confidence and hurt us
The Glazers? - The figures that were posted earlier on the page show that we have spent considerably more than most, but its been wasted by managers no longer connected with the club. What exactly is our issue there? The Glazers have taken fortunes out of the club and will never be thought of fondly here, but they have invested in the team
The manager? - Whatever anyone thinks about that we surely have to better than to boo him in the stadium. Not just because of his past, but because he was dealt a really shitty hand here and is doing the right things for the future

I'm all for protest if its right, and yes the match-going fans could have a huge influence, but it would have to be clear what everyone was protesting against and it would have to be handled correctly, and there is nobody out there that could lead that kind of movement.

Whatever people feel about our manager right now, the true cause of our current plight is the poor recruitment made over the last decade. The money wasted on players that aren't currently contributing, and the managers that for whatever reason haven't worked out. This is why the squad is imbalanced, and this is why we have reached the point where we have to gut this squad and start over. We have been much better at selling players since Ole came in, and now we have to make sure we sign the right players and the sooner the better.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Getting better at selling??? We sold Fellaini for next to nothing yet keep Lingard and Mata. Lukaku went for less. Smalling and Sanchez are out on loan and we will get feck all for them. Young, Mata and Jones just recently signed new (totally unwarranted)contracts and Ed's MO is to let everyone wind down their contract putting them in a position of power to feck us over, Herrera.
Wake up man

 

[DoomSlayer]

The problem with everything being said is that the fanbase is totally divided. I have seen people say that they are witnessing multiple incidents of fighting between our own fans, even last night some were trying to make a scene against a group of fans where little children almost got hurt. The whole club and fanbase is embroiled in toxicity.

 

[Utd heap]

The problem with everything being said is that the fanbase is totally divided. I have seen people say that they are witnessing multiple incidents of fighting between our own fans, even last night some were trying to make a scene against a group of fans where little children almost got hurt. The whole club and fanbase is embroiled in toxicity.

What on earth are you on about?

If you mean the fan cams that's completely different. No issue with them being told to feck off.

 

[DoomSlayer]

What on earth are you on about?

If you mean the fan cams that's completely different. No issue with them being told to feck off.

Even when you put children in danger? Nice one, you must be a top man.

Further proof that the fans will never unite.

 

[Bilbo]

Detriment to the team? Have you seen us play recently? I don't think it gets much worse, we've played that badly. What's the worse that can happen? We play shit for a few more games, which will probably happen anyway. Booing shouldn't be aimed at the players but at the people at the very top are are the culprits of this fecking car crash of a situation.

There are many things wrong with the club and it's all a result of the people making the decisions at the top. This can't continue any longer.

Unless everyone can come up with a way to, in unison, all shout "BOOOOOOO, but not to the team to the glazers" it will just seem like they are booing the team off.

 

[Bilbo]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Getting better at selling??? We sold Fellaini for next to nothing yet keep Lingard and Mata. Lukaku went for less. Smalling and Sanchez are out on loan and we will get feck all for them. Young, Mata and Jones just recently signed new (totally unwarranted)contracts and Ed's MO is to let everyone wind down their contract putting them in a position of power to feck us over, Herrera.
Wake up man

Yeah that was poorly worded. What I meant was that we are moving out the players that everyone agreed were not the future here. Lingard will be gone soon, as will Mata, as will Young, as will Rojo. Not sure about Jones - he looks to be unsellable.

 

[GiddyUp]

Doesn’t seem to faze him. Whenever that happens, he feeds the press the same old bullshit that the OP has mentioned just to divert the attention away from him and ease the pressure. The only people that will get rid of that clown are the Glazer scums and that ain’t happening in a million years. Under the Glazers’ stewardship, Woodward has the safest job in world football.

Then we collectively laugh at his response and move forward more aggressively. He orchestrated the leveraged buyout so the hopefully the Glazers are keeping him around for a sale, wishful thinking I know. Supporters need to be more assertive too. I watch the 90 minutes and come to red cafe. These are the only associations outside of a few shares I have with the club. It kills me to watch this below average squad get their arse handed to them but the players are just at fault as the coaches, board and owners.
Don't spend, unfollow. Ed is about numbers and when they trend downwards or the environment is too toxic the Glazers will have no choice but to restructure. We can scream and shout all we want but until the people lucky enough to attend OT every week start up we are going nowhere. I do remember them singing Moyes's name up till the end so I've very little faith.

 

[Utd heap]

Even when you put children in danger? Nice one, you must be a top man.

Further proof that the fans will never unite.

Talking out your arse mate.

Dont make it out I'm defending kids in danger ffs